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  • Tour2ma Tour2maT In Memoriam Dedicated Conversation Starter Reacting Well Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done Very Popular
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    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    Interesting approach by the writers over at Dawgs by Nature...


    Ranking the Top 25 Most Important Players on the Cleveland Browns

    By Chris Pokorny  @DawgsByNature on Feb 13, 2016, 7:11p
    http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/2/13/10986020/ranking-the-top-25-most-important-players-on-the-cleveland-browns

    Cumulative DBN Rankings
    Top 25 Most Important Browns Players

    1 LT Joe Thomas
    2 #2 Draft Pick
    3 WR Josh Gordon
    4 CB Joe Haden
    5 C Alex Mack

    6 LG Joel Bitonio
    7 RT Mitchell Schwartz
    8 #32 Draft Pick
    9 FS Tashaun Gipson
    10 NT Danny Shelton

    11 RB Duke Johnson
    12 WR Travis Benjamin
    13 TE Gary Barnidge
    14 OLB Nate Orchard
    15 RG John Greco

    16 OLB Paul Kruger
    17 CB K'Waun Williams
    18 DE Desmond Bryant
    19 ILB Karlos Dansby
    20 DE John Hughes

    21 ILB Christian Kirksey
    22 CB Pierre Desir
    23 OG Cameron Erving
    24 WR Andrew Hawkins
    25 CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu

    Other players who received at least one nomination in someone's top 25 were OLB Barkevious Mingo, DT Jamie Meder, P Andy Lee, S Ibraheim Campbell, RB Isaiah Crowell, DT Xavier Cooper, CB Justin Gilbert, QB Josh McCown, WR Terrelle Pryor, ILB Craig Robertson, SS Donte Whitner, LS Charley Hughlett, and K Travis Coons.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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      I'd put Barnidge a bit higher and Kruger a lot further down. Rarely saw anything but slowness and inability to set the edge out of Kruger.

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        Interesting approach by the writers over at Dawgs by Nature...


        Ranking the Top 25 Most Important Players on the Cleveland Browns

        By Chris Pokorny  @DawgsByNature on Feb 13, 2016, 7:11p
        http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/2/13/10986020/ranking-the-top-25-most-important-players-on-the-cleveland-browns

        Cumulative DBN Rankings
        Top 25 Most Important Browns Players

        1 LT Joe Thomas
        2 #2 Draft Pick
        3 WR Josh Gordon
        4 CB Joe Haden
        5 C Alex Mack

        6 LG Joel Bitonio
        7 RT Mitchell Schwartz
        8 #32 Draft Pick
        9 FS Tashaun Gipson
        10 NT Danny Shelton

        11 RB Duke Johnson
        12 WR Travis Benjamin
        13 TE Gary Barnidge
        14 OLB Nate Orchard
        15 RG John Greco

        16 OLB Paul Kruger
        17 CB K'Waun Williams
        18 DE Desmond Bryant
        19 ILB Karlos Dansby
        20 DE John Hughes

        21 ILB Christian Kirksey
        22 CB Pierre Desir
        23 OG Cameron Erving
        24 WR Andrew Hawkins
        25 CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu

        Other players who received at least one nomination in someone's top 25 were OLB Barkevious Mingo, DT Jamie Meder, P Andy Lee, S Ibraheim Campbell, RB Isaiah Crowell, DT Xavier Cooper, CB Justin Gilbert, QB Josh McCown, WR Terrelle Pryor, ILB Craig Robertson, SS Donte Whitner, LS Charley Hughlett, and K Travis Coons.

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        MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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        @tour2ma said:

        Interesting approach by the writers over at Dawgs by Nature...

        Interesting is a good word to describe that list.....honestly cant agree with much of it.....

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          Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by
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          SMH, but maybe it was done close to closing time at the saloon!

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            Interesting approach by the writers over at Dawgs by Nature...


            Ranking the Top 25 Most Important Players on the Cleveland Browns

            By Chris Pokorny  @DawgsByNature on Feb 13, 2016, 7:11p
            http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/2/13/10986020/ranking-the-top-25-most-important-players-on-the-cleveland-browns

            Cumulative DBN Rankings
            Top 25 Most Important Browns Players

            1 LT Joe Thomas
            2 #2 Draft Pick
            3 WR Josh Gordon
            4 CB Joe Haden
            5 C Alex Mack

            6 LG Joel Bitonio
            7 RT Mitchell Schwartz
            8 #32 Draft Pick
            9 FS Tashaun Gipson
            10 NT Danny Shelton

            11 RB Duke Johnson
            12 WR Travis Benjamin
            13 TE Gary Barnidge
            14 OLB Nate Orchard
            15 RG John Greco

            16 OLB Paul Kruger
            17 CB K'Waun Williams
            18 DE Desmond Bryant
            19 ILB Karlos Dansby
            20 DE John Hughes

            21 ILB Christian Kirksey
            22 CB Pierre Desir
            23 OG Cameron Erving
            24 WR Andrew Hawkins
            25 CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu

            Other players who received at least one nomination in someone's top 25 were OLB Barkevious Mingo, DT Jamie Meder, P Andy Lee, S Ibraheim Campbell, RB Isaiah Crowell, DT Xavier Cooper, CB Justin Gilbert, QB Josh McCown, WR Terrelle Pryor, ILB Craig Robertson, SS Donte Whitner, LS Charley Hughlett, and K Travis Coons.

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            FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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            @tour2ma said:

            Interesting approach by the writers over at Dawgs by Nature...

            Ranking the Top 25 Most Important Players on the Cleveland Browns

            By Chris Pokorny  @DawgsByNature on Feb 13, 2016, 7:11p

            http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/2/13/10986020/ranking-the-top-25-most-important-players-on-the-cleveland-browns

            Cumulative DBN Rankings

            Top 25 Most Important Browns Players

            1 LT Joe Thomas

            2 #2 Draft Pick

            3 WR Josh Gordon

            4 CB Joe Haden

            5 C Alex Mack

            6 LG Joel Bitonio

            7 RT Mitchell Schwartz

            8 #32 Draft Pick

            9 FS Tashaun Gipson

            10 NT Danny Shelton

            11 RB Duke Johnson

            12 WR Travis Benjamin

            13 TE Gary Barnidge

            14 OLB Nate Orchard

            15 RG John Greco

            16 OLB Paul Kruger

            17 CB K'Waun Williams

            18 DE Desmond Bryant

            19 ILB Karlos Dansby

            20 DE John Hughes

            21 ILB Christian Kirksey

            22 CB Pierre Desir

            23 OG Cameron Erving

            24 WR Andrew Hawkins

            25 CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu

            Other players who received at least one nomination in someone's top 25 were OLB Barkevious Mingo, DT Jamie Meder, P Andy Lee, S Ibraheim Campbell, RB Isaiah Crowell, DT Xavier Cooper, CB Justin Gilbert, QB Josh McCown, WR Terrelle Pryor, ILB Craig Robertson, SS Donte Whitner, LS Charley Hughlett, and K Travis Coons.

            Thanks for sharing that! There's quite a few I agree with. Unfortunately, we might lose some to free agency while father time has put some best football in the rear view mirror forothers. The good news is I can bump up the Meder motor in there now as well as the following: Cooper, Lee, Robertson, Coons, McCown, Campbell, Crow and Pasztor. I have a feeling Horton's defense is going to give Orchard a perfect niche once he gets enough reps to be cozy. Just a gut.

            Counting on Josh Gordon almost seems like standing in quick sand. He never got the message in college regardless of how many different programs thought it would be different after josh promised them it would be. There's no telling when his suspension ends or when the next time we're going to read poor Josh just hung around with the wrong guys again. Even worse, his brother is his worst influence for a guy that just can't say no.

            I'd rather trade him to the God complex in Dallas for more draft picks and snag a kid like Doctson at #32 or even defensive help. We got him back when we were 6-4 in 2014 and we only won 1 of the last 4 games in spite of how talented he is. The only thing consistent with him is how often he can't help the team that gave him his most recent chance. Some will say he only had 1 beer. If so, how does he fail a water soluble drug test some 12-24 hours later? Make sense? It shouldn't.. What should matter is who he continues to surround himself with after all these chances he's received. He's refusing millions of $ for it as we speak so I'm not as confident as others about him. I always adored the idea of him but the reality has become a pretty big trend history is trying to get is to realize here...

            I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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              Good read but I totally disagree with using draft picks in even the top 53 let alone the top 25. You have to be a really bad football player for someone to assume even a player that hasn't played a down in the NFL is better than you are.

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                @tour2ma said:

                Interesting approach by the writers over at Dawgs by Nature...

                Interesting is a good word to describe that list.....honestly cant agree with much of it.....

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                Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                @mudfly said:

                Interesting is a good word to describe that list.....honestly cant agree with much of it.....

                Totally agree... When a 6th OL makes the list, but your starting SS does not??? Ditto for no Tramon Williams, but both K'waun and Desir show???

                Also disagree with limiting consideration of draft picks to Rnds 1 and 2... if Rnd 3 or 4 got the votes to make the top 25, so be it. I could see at least the 3rd Rnd making it easily.

                "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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                  FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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                  It's hard to do an accurate list at this point but this topic is a great lead into a good football discussion. When I tried to do something similar to this list a few weeks back - what made it tough was knowing what FAs we're going to lose. Also, get this folks - we're changing defenses again. Surprise! That's getting as predictable as forecasting rain in Seattle. Even worse, this former summer school major included Kruger on my list so I had to find my id ten forms. Once I put my reading classes on - here's what that form looked like: ID10T.

                  Let's see some ideas of who we would prefer to see in there.

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                    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by Mudfly
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                    My biggest question(among many) would be is this ranking directly attributed to the 2016 season??.....if so, how could it not include our QB?

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                      My biggest question(among many) would be is this ranking directly attributed to the 2016 season??.....if so, how could it not include our QB?

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                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                      @mudfly said:

                      My biggest question(among many) would be is this ranking directly attributed to the 2016 season??.....if so, how could it not include our QB?

                      It does...

                      His name? Pick #2...

                      ... which is not a great name for a QB...

                      "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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                        @mudfly said:

                        My biggest question(among many) would be is this ranking directly attributed to the 2016 season??.....if so, how could it not include our QB?

                        It does...

                        His name? Pick #2...

                        ... which is not a great name for a QB...

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                        T Taco918 wrote on last edited by
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                        @tour2ma said:

                        It does...

                        His name? Pick #2...

                        ... which is not a great name for a QB...

                        Better than pick 6.

                        Sorry, low hanging fruit.

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                          RichiswhereR Richiswhere wrote on last edited by Richiswhere
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                          Paul Kruger at 16? Then this list should be top 15 most important players!
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                            It does...

                            His name? Pick #2...

                            ... which is not a great name for a QB...

                            Better than pick 6.

                            Sorry, low hanging fruit.

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                            Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                            @taco918 said:

                            Better than pick 6.

                            Sorry, low hanging fruit.

                            DOH!

                            Sometimes low-hanging is the funniest...

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                              @mudfly said:

                              Interesting is a good word to describe that list.....honestly cant agree with much of it.....

                              Totally agree... When a 6th OL makes the list, but your starting SS does not??? Ditto for no Tramon Williams, but both K'waun and Desir show???

                              Also disagree with limiting consideration of draft picks to Rnds 1 and 2... if Rnd 3 or 4 got the votes to make the top 25, so be it. I could see at least the 3rd Rnd making it easily.

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                              Flyin JF Flyin J wrote on last edited by
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                              @tour2ma said:

                              Totally agree... When a 6th OL makes the list, but your starting SS does not??? Ditto for no Tramon Williams, but both K'waun and Desir show???

                              Haha and Ifo at 25
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                                MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                                Yeah....so many things to pick on.....Ifo and Desir are more important than Williams and Gilbert?.....

                                This years 2nd round pick is more important than both of last years firsts?....or the development of Orchard?...

                                How do Pryor and Hughlett even get an honorable mention in the bottom group??

                                Honestly.....could go on and on and on.....

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                                  Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                                  lol... Struck me that this Board could do a better job... not only in the list, but also the comments. Some of the rationales are hilarious; others are merely thin.

                                  If you haven't peeked at the spreadsheet, take a look.

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                                    What does "important" mean here?

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                                      @tour2ma said:

                                      Interesting approach by the writers over at Dawgs by Nature...

                                      Interesting is a good word to describe that list.....honestly cant agree with much of it.....

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                                      @mudfly said:

                                      Interesting is a good word to describe that list.....honestly cant agree with much of it.....

                                      Erving? You telling me Erving? El Stinko Mucho?

                                      Me & Flugs are just going to have to disagree about Gordon.

                                      You can't put draft picks in the top 25 until they actually play.

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