Dear Hue, THANK YOU for RAY HORTON !
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Didn't we just try "the hybrid"? Albeit sans "versatile players"... Always possible that the new, Defensive staff can wring more out of the existing roster, but we need a serious injection of talent... especially at LB.
While I am fearful that in 2015 Mingo came as close to his promise as he ever will, I could see him as the designated TE cover LB. Seems to have the agility, speed and length to battle some of the new breed TEs.
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Didn't we just try "the hybrid"? Albeit sans "versatile players"... Always possible that the new, Defensive staff can wring more out of the existing roster, but we need a serious injection of talent... especially at LB.
While I am fearful that in 2015 Mingo came as close to his promise as he ever will, I could see him as the designated TE cover LB. Seems to have the agility, speed and length to battle some of the new breed TEs.
Didn't we just try "the hybrid"? Albeit sans "versatile players"... Always possible that the new, Defensive staff can wring more out of the existing roster, but we need a serious injection of talent... especially at LB.
While I am fearful that in 2015 Mingo came as close to his promise as he ever will, I could see him as the designated TE cover LB. Seems to have the agility, speed and length to battle some of the new breed TEs.
Yep...been running a hybrid for the last 2 years....and definitely not enough talent(or versatility) at LB....lots of one skill players, but very few that can do more than one thing well....hence the shuttle in and shuttle out and finger crossing that the right people are in for whatever the O decides to do.....and nowhere near the talent needed to dictate or force our will on anybody....meaning we need multi skilled players that can adjust(on the fly) to whatever the O throws at them....
Browns anticipate run, then shuttle in their "run package" and the O passes....Browns anticipate pass, shuttle in their pass package and the O runs....gotta be able to keep the same players in and have them play both the run or pass....need LB's who can seal an edge, make some tackles, cover TE's and the slot and rush the passer.....heck, give me just one guy who can do that and Id be happy(er)....
Ironically, Mingo may be one of the guys who could do a few things(tackling is a real issue tho).....Orchard looks like the best bet...
Kruger?....nope......Armonty?....eh, was better than Kruges, but not by much......Solomon?....nope.....
And drafting one OLB in the fourth round aint gonna get it done.....
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Kruger needs to drop his excuses find his passion & endurance to not quit on plays. He's slowing down & locking on blocks & quitting but no he should not be asked to cover. That moves me to Mingo. Cover Yes that & a surprise clean Blitzer from a LB but if he meets contact he done (weight issues) & hoping that he has help from a confused coverage scheme that leads Mingo's coverage assignment (RB/TE) wide open in middle of field. Late in season we seen some Shelton on 3rd down & damn O'Neil we saw what we drafted him for. A pocket with pressure in the middle of it. Kirksey possible starter? means 2 things, 3 LB's on field in 4-3 or not good on FA Robertson. Either way we need to upgrade on tackling techniques & angles. Pettine imo purposely embarrassed Gilbert (his own pick?) in a Buffalo scrimmage last season & the kid needs to grow up. Learn to open & turn his hips while continuing to run while not crossing up his legs & feet slowing him down. Horton has got to see this. Rant Over!!
Kruger needs to drop his excuses find his passion & endurance to not quit on plays. He's slowing down & locking on blocks & quitting but no he should not be asked to cover. That moves me to Mingo. Cover Yes that & a surprise clean Blitzer from a LB but if he meets contact he done (weight issues) & hoping that he has help from a confused coverage scheme that leads Mingo's coverage assignment (RB/TE) wide open in middle of field. Late in season we seen some Shelton on 3rd down & damn O'Neil we saw what we drafted him for. A pocket with pressure in the middle of it. Kirksey possible starter? means 2 things, 3 LB's on field in 4-3 or not good on FA Robertson. Either way we need to upgrade on tackling techniques & angles. Pettine imo purposely embarrassed Gilbert (his own pick?) in a Buffalo scrimmage last season & the kid needs to grow up. Learn to open & turn his hips while continuing to run while not crossing up his legs & feet slowing him down. Horton has got to see this. Rant Over!!
BS. I know Krugers' neighbor. They were NOT using him right, plain and simple. He admits he is not a side to side player. The Browns brought him in and they said that to him directly, we expect you to put pressure on the QB...vertically. Que Ray Horton, who is going to do just that. Watch for a 12-14 sack season.
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
Didn't we just try "the hybrid"? Albeit sans "versatile players"... Always possible that the new, Defensive staff can wring more out of the existing roster, but we need a serious injection of talent... especially at LB.
While I am fearful that in 2015 Mingo came as close to his promise as he ever will, I could see him as the designated TE cover LB. Seems to have the agility, speed and length to battle some of the new breed TEs.
Yep...been running a hybrid for the last 2 years....and definitely not enough talent(or versatility) at LB....lots of one skill players, but very few that can do more than one thing well....hence the shuttle in and shuttle out and finger crossing that the right people are in for whatever the O decides to do.....and nowhere near the talent needed to dictate or force our will on anybody....meaning we need multi skilled players that can adjust(on the fly) to whatever the O throws at them....
Browns anticipate run, then shuttle in their "run package" and the O passes....Browns anticipate pass, shuttle in their pass package and the O runs....gotta be able to keep the same players in and have them play both the run or pass....need LB's who can seal an edge, make some tackles, cover TE's and the slot and rush the passer.....heck, give me just one guy who can do that and Id be happy(er)....
Ironically, Mingo may be one of the guys who could do a few things(tackling is a real issue tho).....Orchard looks like the best bet...
Kruger?....nope......Armonty?....eh, was better than Kruges, but not by much......Solomon?....nope.....
And drafting one OLB in the fourth round aint gonna get it done.....
Yep...been running a hybrid for the last 2 years....and definitely not enough talent(or versatility) at LB....lots of one skill players, but very few that can do more than one thing well....hence the shuttle in and shuttle out and finger crossing that the right people are in for whatever the O decides to do.....and nowhere near the talent needed to dictate or force our will on anybody....meaning we need multi skilled players that can adjust(on the fly) to whatever the O throws at them....
Browns anticipate run, then shuttle in their "run package" and the O passes....Browns anticipate pass, shuttle in their pass package and the O runs....gotta be able to keep the same players in and have them play both the run or pass....need LB's who can seal an edge, make some tackles, cover TE's and the slot and rush the passer.....heck, give me just one guy who can do that and Id be happy(er)....
Ironically, Mingo may be one of the guys who could do a few things(tackling is a real issue tho).....Orchard looks like the best bet...
Kruger?....nope......Armonty?....eh, was better than Kruges, but not by much......Solomon?....nope.....
And drafting one OLB in the fourth round aint gonna get it done.....
So a real pass rushing, edge setting threat as our #2 overall?
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Kruger needs to drop his excuses find his passion & endurance to not quit on plays. He's slowing down & locking on blocks & quitting but no he should not be asked to cover. That moves me to Mingo. Cover Yes that & a surprise clean Blitzer from a LB but if he meets contact he done (weight issues) & hoping that he has help from a confused coverage scheme that leads Mingo's coverage assignment (RB/TE) wide open in middle of field. Late in season we seen some Shelton on 3rd down & damn O'Neil we saw what we drafted him for. A pocket with pressure in the middle of it. Kirksey possible starter? means 2 things, 3 LB's on field in 4-3 or not good on FA Robertson. Either way we need to upgrade on tackling techniques & angles. Pettine imo purposely embarrassed Gilbert (his own pick?) in a Buffalo scrimmage last season & the kid needs to grow up. Learn to open & turn his hips while continuing to run while not crossing up his legs & feet slowing him down. Horton has got to see this. Rant Over!!
BS. I know Krugers' neighbor. They were NOT using him right, plain and simple. He admits he is not a side to side player. The Browns brought him in and they said that to him directly, we expect you to put pressure on the QB...vertically. Que Ray Horton, who is going to do just that. Watch for a 12-14 sack season.
BS. I know Krugers' neighbor. They were NOT using him right, plain and simple. He admits he is not a side to side player. The Browns brought him in and they said that to him directly, we expect you to put pressure on the QB...vertically. Que Ray Horton, who is going to do just that. Watch for a 12-14 sack season.
Delusion becomes you.
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Kruger needs to drop his excuses find his passion & endurance to not quit on plays. He's slowing down & locking on blocks & quitting but no he should not be asked to cover. That moves me to Mingo. Cover Yes that & a surprise clean Blitzer from a LB but if he meets contact he done (weight issues) & hoping that he has help from a confused coverage scheme that leads Mingo's coverage assignment (RB/TE) wide open in middle of field. Late in season we seen some Shelton on 3rd down & damn O'Neil we saw what we drafted him for. A pocket with pressure in the middle of it. Kirksey possible starter? means 2 things, 3 LB's on field in 4-3 or not good on FA Robertson. Either way we need to upgrade on tackling techniques & angles. Pettine imo purposely embarrassed Gilbert (his own pick?) in a Buffalo scrimmage last season & the kid needs to grow up. Learn to open & turn his hips while continuing to run while not crossing up his legs & feet slowing him down. Horton has got to see this. Rant Over!!
BS. I know Krugers' neighbor. They were NOT using him right, plain and simple. He admits he is not a side to side player. The Browns brought him in and they said that to him directly, we expect you to put pressure on the QB...vertically. Que Ray Horton, who is going to do just that. Watch for a 12-14 sack season.
BS. I know Krugers' neighbor. They were NOT using him right, plain and simple. He admits he is not a side to side player. The Browns brought him in and they said that to him directly, we expect you to put pressure on the QB...vertically. Que Ray Horton, who is going to do just that. Watch for a 12-14 sack season.
Well...that would be like 10 more sacks than Horton got out of him last time(4.5).....he directly rushed the QB well over 300 times last season and had 2.5 sacks....so not a very good percentage....
So a real pass rushing, edge setting threat as our #2 overall?
Im there!!!....and, what the heck, how about one at #32 as well.....
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BS. I know Krugers' neighbor. They were NOT using him right, plain and simple. He admits he is not a side to side player. The Browns brought him in and they said that to him directly, we expect you to put pressure on the QB...vertically. Que Ray Horton, who is going to do just that. Watch for a 12-14 sack season.
Well...that would be like 10 more sacks than Horton got out of him last time(4.5).....he directly rushed the QB well over 300 times last season and had 2.5 sacks....so not a very good percentage....
So a real pass rushing, edge setting threat as our #2 overall?
Im there!!!....and, what the heck, how about one at #32 as well.....
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Ha!....I honestly am confused about this years draft and who I would tap first, etc....glad there's time to roll it all around....
BUT....what Im really hoping(and the Starks cut plays into it) is that we sign one of the pass rushing DE's availAble in FA.....Wilkerson, Vernon and Pierre-Paul top my list....
Just sign one of these guys and let's get on with it already.....
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Can't go JPP personally... he might end up being the best bargain, but the gross out factor it too high.
Olivier? Maybe, but that Miami well has not been kind to us. And he and Wilkerson are going to end up being very expensive pieces to add at this stage of our rebuild.
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Can't go JPP personally... he might end up being the best bargain, but the gross out factor it too high.
Olivier? Maybe, but that Miami well has not been kind to us. And he and Wilkerson are going to end up being very expensive pieces to add at this stage of our rebuild.
Can't go JPP personally... he might end up being the best bargain, but the gross out factor it too high.
Olivier? Maybe, but that Miami well has not been kind to us. And he and Wilkerson are going to end up being very expensive pieces to add at this stage of our rebuild.
Yeah....JPP is my third choice, but should be the most cost effective....but I cant finger out what you mean by gross out factor..
Vernon and Wilk are just what the doctor ordered....Vernon had more TFL's than our whole DL last year and would cost less than we are paying Kruger & Bowe.....comparably, worth every penny.....
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".but I cant finger out what you mean by gross out factor.." LOL!
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".but I cant finger out what you mean by gross out factor.." LOL!
".but I cant finger out what you mean by gross out factor.." LOL!
Yeah I thought that was pretty stellar work haha.
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God we're really going to go into next season with virtually the same defensive personnel aren't we? mother fucker.
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God we're really going to go into next season with virtually the same defensive personnel aren't we? mother fucker.
God we're really going to go into next season with virtually the same defensive personnel aren't we? mother fucker.
May I suggest the great gods of writers Doc Zeuss in "Horton hears a Who? & You
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God we're really going to go into next season with virtually the same defensive personnel aren't we? mother fucker.
There are some promising EDGE guys in rounds 1 and 2. Maybe even Rd 3.God we're really going to go into next season with virtually the same defensive personnel aren't we? mother fucker.
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There are some promising EDGE guys in rounds 1 and 2. Maybe even Rd 3.God we're really going to go into next season with virtually the same defensive personnel aren't we? mother fucker.
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Ummm Kruger sucked the first time with Horton as DC...so whats he going to do now? suck more?
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