Browns cut Starks and Dray
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I'm going out on a limb and saying that we target Hunter Henry in the 3rd. He's far better all around than anyone else we have or had.
And we just made room by dropping Dray.
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Signed Wiesnewski
and drafted Nick Martin... Overkill, but I was not sure Martin would fall to me. But without a proven OT backup on roster (only one was Cam), I now can move either Bito or Greco to OT if need be.Martin would make us forget Mack in short order...
Ahhh....Wiesnewski was the guy I wanted last year....versatile and affordable....that would work for me....
Don't see Hunter making it to the 3rd, but if there, then you have to nab him.
Ahhh....Wiesnewski was the guy I wanted last year....versatile and affordable....that would work for me....
Pretty sure I knew that... Also nabbed another guy you might be interested in....
And after the FA sim I used FanSpeak's Draft, but think I'll redo with FirstPick's... just not the same without some trade action. But FanSpeak does have the compensatory picks in the sim now...
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So much for the whole "if Johnny were actually good we wouldn't care about his problems" argument then, I suppose.
The Cowboys are also stacked and can add a top 5 pick in every round.
Hardy has gun play problems as opposed to Johnny just being a lazy employee with a drinking problem.
Hardy has gun play problems as opposed to Johnny just being a lazy employee with a drinking problem.
Ok, but he's elite, so who cares?
Mud you have a valid point that I would refute by saying just get rid of them if they get suspended again. So far, no evidence Hardy is going to. And I would happily pay Smith just to get the one full season over two years that he's going to give the Raiders.
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hardy is a violent felon. johnny is a lazy spoiled brat. 2 different scenarios altogether.
don't want either on the team i root for.
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So our new coach can go through this? http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2016/02/17/five-cowboys-free-agents-most-likely-to-depart-greg-hardy-became-constant-problem-for-garrett-upper-management
No thanks. Too much like deja vu.
Kinda what I thought when he was in Carolina also. Bosa no angel at OSU imo. Meyer can't be that honest. A proven 32 QB pressures with 6 sacks a pick & 35 tackles may add up to what Hue put up with with Burprick & Pacman Jones in his room before.This rebuild should be something to watch.
Kinda what I thought when he was in Carolina also. Bosa no angel at OSU imo. Meyer can't be that honest. A proven 32 QB pressures with 6 sacks a pick & 35 tackles may add up to what Hue put up with with Burprick & Pacman Jones in his room before.This rebuild should be something to watch.
Did it really take Hardy 6-8 seconds to pressure a QB 32 times. I don't think so. 6 sacks. take away the Tits game we may have 6 all season. No wonder Singleterry was screaming "We Want Winners". Come on Hue, Get Horton some Weapons. I want to win with Weapons on or off the field at this damn point. we are literally dying off for a winner here again..
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You guys wouldn't trade Johnny for Greg Hardy? An elite talent? Y'all serious? Ridiculous.
I'm surprised we cut Starks. Good player. Certainly thought we had worse on the DL. I know, I know, he got that one critical taunting penalty. God forbid. Like no good player has ever done that.
Farmer still winning the battle versus Pettine on Bowe so far.
You guys wouldn't trade Johnny for Greg Hardy? An elite talent? Y'all serious? Ridiculous.
I'm surprised we cut Starks. Good player. Certainly thought we had worse on the DL. I know, I know, he got that one critical taunting penalty. God forbid. Like no good player has ever done that.
Farmer still winning the battle versus Pettine on Bowe so far.
Bowe is as good as gone March 9th
Its not just about good guy bad guy either.....if you cant stay on the field, you are no help to your team. Period.
And if your trying to improve the culture and build team chemistry, these types of guys are counter productive and create a certain level of hypocrisy in the message you trying to send....
And dealing will a mountain of crap so a guy can play a handful of games makes no sense.....so guys like Hardy, Aldon Smith, Albert Haynesworth, etc aren't worth it, because they are proven to be unreliable...simply put, you cant made tackles when you're suspended....
Yup, Hue says character is gonna matter. Hardy might be a great player, but he'd probably be in jail if he didn't pay the ex-GF off to drop charges.
1 season does not a player make. He owns the Panthers sack record and he had 4 sacks in one game.
Bet he also owns the Panthers arsenal record too. Would have gotten the Ray Rice treatment, if Jerry didn't tell Goodell to back off.
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You guys wouldn't trade Johnny for Greg Hardy? An elite talent? Y'all serious? Ridiculous.
I'm surprised we cut Starks. Good player. Certainly thought we had worse on the DL. I know, I know, he got that one critical taunting penalty. God forbid. Like no good player has ever done that.
Farmer still winning the battle versus Pettine on Bowe so far.
Bowe is as good as gone March 9th
Its not just about good guy bad guy either.....if you cant stay on the field, you are no help to your team. Period.
And if your trying to improve the culture and build team chemistry, these types of guys are counter productive and create a certain level of hypocrisy in the message you trying to send....
And dealing will a mountain of crap so a guy can play a handful of games makes no sense.....so guys like Hardy, Aldon Smith, Albert Haynesworth, etc aren't worth it, because they are proven to be unreliable...simply put, you cant made tackles when you're suspended....
Yup, Hue says character is gonna matter. Hardy might be a great player, but he'd probably be in jail if he didn't pay the ex-GF off to drop charges.
1 season does not a player make. He owns the Panthers sack record and he had 4 sacks in one game.
Bet he also owns the Panthers arsenal record too. Would have gotten the Ray Rice treatment, if Jerry didn't tell Goodell to back off.
Yup, Hue says character is gonna matter. Hardy might be a great player, but he'd probably be in jail if he didn't pay the ex-GF off to drop charges.
Right....lets be real....the Browns have been burned over and over again with these kinds of guys.....they'd be insane to bring in any more "known" character issues.....completely insane....
And, if they do, then I know they have the wrong guys running the show....again....
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Busting out the conspiracies now I see.
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VesnaKociper said:
Joe Thomas. Mister "no-effect"
The Joe Thomas hater is on the right.
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Its not just about good guy bad guy either.....if you cant stay on the field, you are no help to your team. Period.
And if your trying to improve the culture and build team chemistry, these types of guys are counter productive and create a certain level of hypocrisy in the message you trying to send....
And dealing will a mountain of crap so a guy can play a handful of games makes no sense.....so guys like Hardy, Aldon Smith, Albert Haynesworth, etc aren't worth it, because they are proven to be unreliable...simply put, you cant made tackles when you're suspended....
Its not just about good guy bad guy either.....if you cant stay on the field, you are no help to your team. Period.
And if your trying to improve the culture and build team chemistry, these types of guys are counter productive and create a certain level of hypocrisy in the message you trying to send....
And dealing will a mountain of crap so a guy can play a handful of games makes no sense.....so guys like Hardy, Aldon Smith, Albert Haynesworth, etc aren't worth it, because they are proven to be unreliable...simply put, you cant made tackles when you're suspended....
amen to that...
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Yup, Hue says character is gonna matter. Hardy might be a great player, but he'd probably be in jail if he didn't pay the ex-GF off to drop charges.
Right....lets be real....the Browns have been burned over and over again with these kinds of guys.....they'd be insane to bring in any more "known" character issues.....completely insane....
And, if they do, then I know they have the wrong guys running the show....again....
Most guys with perceived character issues get their shit together eventually. I dont give a fuck what these guys are like off the field, I want W's. Draft the guys who fall due to character concerns. Sign guys like Aldon Smith and Greg Hardy. Bet we would have loved La'el Collins in the 7th Rd last year, we would be creaming in our pants of we would have drafted Mathieu. Without this being a viable landing spot for top FA's we have to take risks to get the most talent we can through those doors.Right....lets be real....the Browns have been burned over and over again with these kinds of guys.....they'd be insane to bring in any more "known" character issues.....completely insane....
And, if they do, then I know they have the wrong guys running the show....again....
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Most guys with perceived character issues get their shit together eventually. I dont give a fuck what these guys are like off the field, I want W's. Draft the guys who fall due to character concerns. Sign guys like Aldon Smith and Greg Hardy. Bet we would have loved La'el Collins in the 7th Rd last year, we would be creaming in our pants of we would have drafted Mathieu. Without this being a viable landing spot for top FA's we have to take risks to get the most talent we can through those doors.Right....lets be real....the Browns have been burned over and over again with these kinds of guys.....they'd be insane to bring in any more "known" character issues.....completely insane....
And, if they do, then I know they have the wrong guys running the show....again....
Most guys with perceived character issues get their shit together eventually. I dont give a fuck what these guys are like off the field, I want W's. Draft the guys who fall due to character concerns. Sign guys like Aldon Smith and Greg Hardy. Bet we would have loved La'el Collins in the 7th Rd last year, we would be creaming in our pants of we would have drafted Mathieu. Without this being a viable landing spot for top FA's we have to take risks to get the most talent we can through those doors.
No we don't. Aldon Smith? He would help us exactly zero, since he's suspended.Hardy is one woman slap away from joining him in a year suspension. Burfect's anger management issues finally cost him 4 games. Sometimes guys like Honey Badger get their shit together, but 9 times out of 10 they don't. 20\20 hindsight says Manziel wasn't worth the risk & headache either. Problem is- these guys have been told they can do no wrong since grade school, & how f**king great they are playing football. Some of them never grow up. That is, until they spend a couple years in jail- like Mike Vick.
The guys don't have to be choir boys- but they do have to stay off police reports.
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God I love this place. where else can you go to read Now Bosa sucks. Mack can't do Jack nor can Myles. But even thou a x Buckeye in Noah Spence fails drug test & test positive for Ecstasy it's ok cause he's the Best Pass Rusher
. Did we pass on Shane Ray Over Erving cause of a Dubbie in ashtray? Is Armonty Bryant our greatest talent that runs around with pills & guns? Drop to 4, Dallas gives me their headache in Hardy (Now Bosa,Jack & Spence) & our QB @4 (Goff or Wentz) & I will take my chances EITHER WAY!! Hell my next move is how can I get from 32 to 19 Bills to get Mario Williams, if your the highest paid defense you mize well play like it. Screw Denver!! -
God I love this place. where else can you go to read Now Bosa sucks. Mack can't do Jack nor can Myles. But even thou a x Buckeye in Noah Spence fails drug test & test positive for Ecstasy it's ok cause he's the Best Pass Rusher
. Did we pass on Shane Ray Over Erving cause of a Dubbie in ashtray? Is Armonty Bryant our greatest talent that runs around with pills & guns? Drop to 4, Dallas gives me their headache in Hardy (Now Bosa,Jack & Spence) & our QB @4 (Goff or Wentz) & I will take my chances EITHER WAY!! Hell my next move is how can I get from 32 to 19 Bills to get Mario Williams, if your the highest paid defense you mize well play like it. Screw Denver!!God I love this place. where else can you go to read Now Bosa sucks. Mack can't do Jack nor can Myles. But even thou a x Buckeye in Noah Spence fails drug test & test positive for Ecstasy it's ok cause he's the Best Pass Rusher
. Did we pass on Shane Ray Over Erving cause of a Dubbie in ashtray? Is Armonty Bryant our greatest talent that runs around with pills & guns? Drop to 4, Dallas gives me their headache in Hardy (Now Bosa,Jack & Spence) & our QB @4 (Goff or Wentz) & I will take my chances EITHER WAY!! Hell my next move is how can I get from 32 to 19 Bills to get Mario Williams, if your the highest paid defense you mize well play like it. Screw Denver!!Glad you brought up Armonty- who's fer sure gonna get suspended. So you like jailbird talent? Right on. Take a hint. Zero, and I mean ZERO chance the Browns have any interest in Hardy.
"Talent goes to hell, if it sits in a cell."
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Most guys with perceived character issues get their shit together eventually. I dont give a fuck what these guys are like off the field, I want W's. Draft the guys who fall due to character concerns. Sign guys like Aldon Smith and Greg Hardy. Bet we would have loved La'el Collins in the 7th Rd last year, we would be creaming in our pants of we would have drafted Mathieu. Without this being a viable landing spot for top FA's we have to take risks to get the most talent we can through those doors.
No we don't. Aldon Smith? He would help us exactly zero, since he's suspended.Hardy is one woman slap away from joining him in a year suspension. Burfect's anger management issues finally cost him 4 games. Sometimes guys like Honey Badger get their shit together, but 9 times out of 10 they don't. 20\20 hindsight says Manziel wasn't worth the risk & headache either. Problem is- these guys have been told they can do no wrong since grade school, & how f**king great they are playing football. Some of them never grow up. That is, until they spend a couple years in jail- like Mike Vick.
The guys don't have to be choir boys- but they do have to stay off police reports.
No we don't. Aldon Smith? He would help us exactly zero, since he's suspended.Hardy is one woman slap away from joining him in a year suspension. Burfect's anger management issues finally cost him 4 games. Sometimes guys like Honey Badger get their shit together, but 9 times out of 10 they don't. 20\20 hindsight says Manziel wasn't worth the risk & headache either. Problem is- these guys have been told they can do no wrong since grade school, & how f**king great they are playing football. Some of them never grow up. That is, until they spend a couple years in jail- like Mike Vick.
The guys don't have to be choir boys- but they do have to stay off police reports.
I believe Smith gets to play a total of a full season between 2015 and 2016. When he plays, he's very good. Instead we have, well, our group of OLBs, who will play two full seasons and be mediocre.
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