Benjamin to sign.....Mack out then in ?
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Jimmy Donovan on WKYC reported tonight that Benji & the Browns were unable to reach an agreement.
Benji is saying he will test the FA waters.
Should we be surprised? Our analytics guys analyzed, and came to the conclusion Benji was asking too much.
Should we be surprised? Our analytics guys analyzed, and came to the conclusion Benji was asking too much.
Well that's promising.
So after the next couple 3 and 13 seasons somebody can stand at the podium and hold up a ratty old Texas Instruments handheld calculator and blame it.
WSS
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Well that's promising.
So after the next couple 3 and 13 seasons somebody can stand at the podium and hold up a ratty old Texas Instruments handheld calculator and blame it.
WSS
My uncle used to work on coding TI calculators. They had/have an office in my hometown.
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Well that's promising.
So after the next couple 3 and 13 seasons somebody can stand at the podium and hold up a ratty old Texas Instruments handheld calculator and blame it.
WSS
Well it's obvious then. This is really a bid to form a new company called Cleveland Instruments in which all products are guaranteed to miscalculate every time. Millions will be bought and given to people for birthday and Xmas gag gifts with colors of orange and brown. I'd buy.
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David Carr lists Benjamin as his No. 1 WR F/A
that will very much suck if we lose him to the Oakland Raiders. Carr was my 2014 QB preference, if i'm the Raiders FO i'm definitely listening to my franchise QB's reasonable requests....
Sashi you low-balling motherfucker...
Sorry, but not going to lose much sleep if we lose Benji. Like him as a #2/#3 WR, but how many times have you ever seen a reception of his and said, "Wow, what a catch?".
Will miss his punt return contributions, but for every nice return there's been two or more "why did he not field that?" moments.
that will very much suck if we lose him to the Oakland Raiders. Carr was my 2014 QB preference, if i'm the Raiders FO i'm definitely listening to my franchise QB's reasonable requests....
... or his brother's? Methinks you thinks of Derek...
When did David become a talking head?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
This season, tour.
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Looking like our FO is willing to let players test the market.
If we've treated the players well, and if Sashi is as respected by Agents as we were led to believe when he was promoted, then we should fair well... and not overpay.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Looking like our FO is willing to let players test the market.
If we've treated the players well, and if Sashi is as respected by Agents as we were led to believe when he was promoted, then we should fair well... and not overpay.
Looking like our FO is willing to let players test the market.
If we've treated the players well, and if Sashi is as respected by Agents as we were led to believe when he was promoted, then we should fair well... and not overpay.
Didn't we try that the last couple years?
WSS
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Didn't we try that the last couple years?
WSS
And look how well it worked (for other teams). Do the Broncos need to help another Brown get a Superbowl ring?
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Didn't we try that the last couple years?
WSS
And look how well it worked (for other teams). Do the Broncos need to help another Brown get a Superbowl ring?
And look how well it worked (for other teams). Do the Broncos need to help another Brown get a Superbowl ring?
Phil Taylor?
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Sorry, but not going to lose much sleep if we lose Benji. Like him as a #2/#3 WR, but how many times have you ever seen a reception of his and said, "Wow, what a catch?".
Will miss his punt return contributions, but for every nice return there's been two or more "why did he not field that?" moments.
that will very much suck if we lose him to the Oakland Raiders. Carr was my 2014 QB preference, if i'm the Raiders FO i'm definitely listening to my franchise QB's reasonable requests....
... or his brother's? Methinks you thinks of Derek...
When did David become a talking head?
Sorry, but not going to lose much sleep if we lose Benji. Like him as a #2/#3 WR, but how many times have you ever seen a reception of his and said, "Wow, what a catch?".
Will miss his punt return contributions, but for every nice return there's been two or more "why did he not field that?" moments.
Sign me up for this thought as well. I like him as a player, and I hope he re-signs for continuity more than anything else. His stats from this year though are eerily similar to Brian Hartline's from 2013 as well:
Benji:
G Rec Tgt Yds Avg Lg TD
16 68 124 966 14.2 61 5Hartline:
16 76 134 1,016 13.4 50 4before anyone goes crazy on me I get he returns punts and is faster, I get that but it's not like we're losing top flight production here either. I write that comparison to say there's other guys (to include one on our team) who can fill this production role. If Benji leaves and a guy like Sanu signs on I don't think we've let a great one walk out the door.
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Ward, Sheard, Skrine, Cameron, Mack, Schwartz, Gipson, Benjamin - there's a list of legitimately decent-to-great players that we've let walk or are in the process of letting walk.
It's fine to say we're building through the draft, and it's the right way to go, but you've got to then keep the players you draft and develop.
I don't get it, the Browns have over $40 million in cap space but they don't seem to care to let the few remaining talented players walk.Ward, Sheard, Skrine, Cameron, Mack, Schwartz, Gipson, Benjamin - there's a list of legitimately decent-to-great players that we've let walk or are in the process of letting walk.
BTW, except for Mack, all of the guys on your list were brought in by Heckert (another FO guy we let get away).
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Looking like our FO is willing to let players test the market.
If we've treated the players well, and if Sashi is as respected by Agents as we were led to believe when he was promoted, then we should fair well... and not overpay.
If we were fairly deep (talent wise) at most of the positions, I would share your opinion. Even if we could draft with a ~35% success rate, I would say buh-by. However on a team nearly devoid of talent the FO shouldn't let their young guys leave without making them a competitive offer.Looking like our FO is willing to let players test the market.
If we've treated the players well, and if Sashi is as respected by Agents as we were led to believe when he was promoted, then we should fair well... and not overpay.
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Didn't we try that the last couple years?
Don't think so... Do you?
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Fair points Canton Dawgs but this FO never had the chance to stop it during last season. Once the other numbers$$ start coming into agents on ranked #1 WR FA's with likely not much in WR draft. Agents get paid to make their guy $$. Agent did his job. We.. once again failed
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Didn't we try that the last couple years?
Don't think so... Do you?
Don't think so... Do you?
What do you mean, shitcanning players or letting them walk because they're somebody else's guys?
Yeah that seems like it's happened.
WSS
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This is Benji's one chance for a large pay day, and it looks like he wants to make the most of it. Hard to blame the guy, but I'd be curious as to exactly WHAT our team offered him. Did we low ball the guy, or is he being unreasonable? We'll probably never know, but sometimes the details of offers are made public. I could see some team like the Patriots offering Benjamin a solid deal. Can you imagine a guy like Benji running down the field with Brady throwing the ball to him? Patriots aren't known for their big spending on free agents, but it's just a thought.
The interesting thing about Benji is...we really can't lose the guy, and our team HAS to know that. If Benji leaves, then we have what left? Hartline, Gabriel, Hawkins, Pryor, and Marlan Moore for sure? Yes, I know we COULD have Gordon back, but if you're the Browns' front office, are you REALLY counting on that? Probably not. We drafted Benji, developed him, worked through his injury, and can't let him go.
The apparent revelation that Mack could opt out, and then re-sign is a welcomed thought. I didn't think there was even a CHANCE that could happen, so we'll see. Somebody was reporting that Mack wants $10 million a year instead of $8 million...we might pay that. We have the money.
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jiggins-well there is one key member of the FO who is still with us with hands near the purse strings. And he was here when somehow decent players have left without finding the $ to retain them. I am very skeptical at this point that analytics might get Trumped.
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jiggins-well there is one key member of the FO who is still with us with hands near the purse strings. And he was here when somehow decent players have left without finding the $ to retain them. I am very skeptical at this point that analytics might get Trumped.
jiggins-well there is one key member of the FO who is still with us with hands near the purse strings. And he was here when somehow decent players have left without finding the $ to retain them. I am very skeptical at this point that analytics might get Trumped.
Im not sure that any of our moves were money motivated.....Whitner is more expensive than Ward, Williams is more than Skrine, Bowe and Hartline were a major increase in cost, McCown certainly cost more than his predecessor, Starks cost more than Ruben woulda, etc....
I honestly believe, right or wrong, that they tried to improve and were/are willing to pay more to do it.....
And I can understand if Jimmy is getting a little gun shy on the whole FA thing.....though, to me, the only real flubs in terms of "letting" talent go were probably Sheard and Ward.....the rest? Cameron, Skrine, Ruben.....not really....
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Grossi talking about how Mack is close to a backloaded deal with Mack and Swartz may get franchise tagged. We shall see.
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Grossi talking about how Mack is close to a backloaded deal with Mack and Swartz may get franchise tagged. We shall see.
Grossi talking about how Mack is close to a backloaded deal with Mack and Swartz may get franchise tagged. We shall see.
Go, Sashi, Go!
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