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Republican Debate 2/25/16

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  • gftChris gftChrisG
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    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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    http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2016/02/fact-check-wrongometer-republican-debate-texas-000054

    Some GOP debate fact checking.

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      OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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      I think the establishment republicans have woke up to the fact Trump is in the drivers seat to win the republican primaries and be the GOP candidate in the general and are pulling out all the stops to prevent it. I thought Romney calling for all the candidates to release their tax returns was fine but to say there might be a bombshell in Trump's return was a cheap shot much like what Harry Reid did with Romney in 12 by saying Romney didn't pay any income taxes without a shred of evidence to say it.

      Anyway if Trump does win the republican nomination I think these attacks will help get him prepared for what will be coming from the democrats during the election.

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        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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        I don't get the point of releasing tax returns. If people aren't doing anything illegal then who cares; if they are, the IRS will figure it out before anyone else does.

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          OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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          The left wanted Romney's tax returns in 12 to show he invested in a firm that disposed of aborted fetuses. It is now standard operating procedure for any presidential candidate to release tax returns. The opposition is always hoping there is something in those returns they can use against them and the argument being the voters have a right to know.

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            The left wanted Romney's tax returns in 12 to show he invested in a firm that disposed of aborted fetuses. It is now standard operating procedure for any presidential candidate to release tax returns. The opposition is always hoping there is something in those returns they can use against them and the argument being the voters have a right to know.

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            gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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            @oldbrownsfan said:

            The left wanted Romney's tax returns in 12 to show he invested in a firm that disposed of aborted fetuses. It is now standard operating procedure for any presidential candidate to release tax returns. The opposition is always hoping there is something in those returns they can use against them and the argument being the voters have a right to know.

            Clutching at straws, basically.

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              @oldbrownsfan said:

              The left wanted Romney's tax returns in 12 to show he invested in a firm that disposed of aborted fetuses. It is now standard operating procedure for any presidential candidate to release tax returns. The opposition is always hoping there is something in those returns they can use against them and the argument being the voters have a right to know.

              Clutching at straws, basically.

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              OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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              @gftchris said:

              Clutching at straws, basically.

              Usually. In Trump's case I think Romney is bringing it up as part of the establishment trying to derail Trump. I still think the establishment's desparate attempts to knock out Trump will only help Trump get these issues either out of the way or Trump being prepared to answer them in the general election.

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                DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                I don't trust Mormons.

                "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                  I don't trust Mormons.

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                  gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                  @diehardbrownsfan said:

                  I don't trust Mormons.

                  I don't trust morons.

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                    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                      Trump needs to face these questions as he will surely be facing many of them from democrats if he wins the GOP primaries:

                      Cruz's favorite line of attack was Trump's long history of donating to Democrats, which Cruz said proved the real estate mogul was either a closet liberal or insufficiently dedicated to conservatism.

                      "If you look at the eight members of the Gang of Eight, Donald gave over $50,000 to three Democrats and two Republicans," Cruz said. "When you're funding open border politicians, you shouldn't be surprised when they fight for open borders."

                      Both Cruz and Rubio also brought up Trump University, a defunct program being sued by former students who say they spent tens of thousands of dollars on it and received little more than an "infomercial."

                      "You lied to the students at Trump University," Rubio said.

                      Cruz noted that the case was scheduled to go to trial in the spring, making it a general election liability.

                      "[Trump] on the stand in court, being cross-examined about whether he committed fraud - you don't think the mainstream media will go crazy on that?" Cruz said.

                      Trump said he could settle the case if he wanted to, but didn't on "principle" because the program was "fantastic."

                      Policy weaknesses

                      Rubio and Cruz engaged Trump in a debate over health care policy that was partly about his praise for single-payer health care and the Obamacare mandate that everyone carry insurance, but also about Trump's inch-deep understanding of the issue.

                      Cruz brought up Trump's past calls for universal health coverage and his praise for single-payer health care in Canada and Scotland.

                      Trump denied he was for "socialized medicine," but Rubio pounced on his vague and repeated responses about solving all America's health woes by allowing insurance companies to sell policies across state lines (something most Republicans favor).

                      "I see him repeat himself every night, he says five things: Everyone's dumb; he's going to make America great again; we're going to win, win, win; he's winning in the polls; and the lines around the state," Rubio said.

                      Cruz said Rubio and Trump "agreed with the Obama/Clinton policy of toppling the government in Libya," whereas he favored avoiding the conflict in the hopes then-dictator Muammar Gaddafi would maintain power and prevent terrorism from taking root.

                      "He said I was in favor of Libya? I never discussed that subject," Trump said.

                      This was not true. Trump came out in favor of military action against Gaddafi in 2011, saying the US should "immediately go into Libya, knock this guy out very quickly, very surgically, very effectively, and save the lives."

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                      bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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                      @oldbrownsfan said:

                      Trump needs to face these questions as he will surely be facing many of them from democrats if he wins the GOP primaries:

                      Cruz's favorite line of attack was Trump's long history of donating to Democrats, which Cruz said proved the real estate mogul was either a closet liberal or insufficiently dedicated to conservatism.

                      "If you look at the eight members of the Gang of Eight, Donald gave over $50,000 to three Democrats and two Republicans," Cruz said. "When you're funding open border politicians, you shouldn't be surprised when they fight for open borders."

                      But when Trump said "I donated to you" that pretty much #Stumped Cruz.

                      Trump donated to everybody - and he has voted republican in basically every election since the late 80s. Though I'd say he's really more of an independent - given involvement in the reform party and such, he's definitely not a democrat.

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                        @oldbrownsfan said:

                        Trump needs to face these questions as he will surely be facing many of them from democrats if he wins the GOP primaries:

                        Cruz's favorite line of attack was Trump's long history of donating to Democrats, which Cruz said proved the real estate mogul was either a closet liberal or insufficiently dedicated to conservatism.

                        "If you look at the eight members of the Gang of Eight, Donald gave over $50,000 to three Democrats and two Republicans," Cruz said. "When you're funding open border politicians, you shouldn't be surprised when they fight for open borders."

                        But when Trump said "I donated to you" that pretty much #Stumped Cruz.

                        Trump donated to everybody - and he has voted republican in basically every election since the late 80s. Though I'd say he's really more of an independent - given involvement in the reform party and such, he's definitely not a democrat.

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                        OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                        @bbedward said:

                        But when Trump said "I donated to you" that pretty much #Stumped Cruz.

                        Trump donated to everybody - and he has voted republican in basically every election since the late 80s. Though I'd say he's really more of an independent - given involvement in the reform party and such, he's definitely not a democrat.

                        Trump has been all over the map though. Google search will be his biggest weapon against him.

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                          @bbedward said:

                          But when Trump said "I donated to you" that pretty much #Stumped Cruz.

                          Trump donated to everybody - and he has voted republican in basically every election since the late 80s. Though I'd say he's really more of an independent - given involvement in the reform party and such, he's definitely not a democrat.

                          Trump has been all over the map though. Google search will be his biggest weapon against him.

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                          bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by bbedward
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                          @oldbrownsfan said:

                          Trump has been all over the map though. Google search will be his biggest weapon against him.

                          For as big as Trump is and has been for so long, the best they can do is "he's too liberal." In the general election the democrats are going to say "he's too conservative"

                          I think that's pretty good, donating to democrats doesn't matter - especially when you're a real estate developer in the very liberal NYC (and New York state for that matter).

                          The only reason Rubio looked semi-effective against Trump is because him and his paid audience wouldn't shut up (though his points on polish workers and inheritance were both bogus). Cruz, however, got bent over by both of them. It's time for Cruz to pack it up and support Rubio - he's the establishment's last chance (although Trump already won the nomination)

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                            gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                            Interesting point on Kasich/Rubio - one dropping out would massively help the other, but neither wants to give up, so neither will win (posit's the author). Classic game theory scenario that has been studied to death.

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                              gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                              http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/upshot/john-kasich-republican-nomination.html

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                                bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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                                I think my theory is better.

                                Kasich is staying in to try to win Ohio - because the only way Trump can lose is if he loses both Ohio and Florida (still unlikely, but it's the only chance).

                                Kasich is very close with Trump in Ohio while nobody else really is - though Lubio isn't even close to Trump in Florida.

                                Kasich will drop out shortly after Ohio - win or lose.

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                                  OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                  Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump debates in the fall should be classic. Once Trump locks up the republican primaries I look for most republicans to support him even the establishment ones (what else are they going to do?) And then Trump will say how honest Cruz really is, and Jeb really isn't so low energy, and Rubio isn't so bad after all and those guys will say they really kind of like Trump after all and there you have American politics.

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                                    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                    He will probably pick one of them as a running mate.

                                    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                                      He will probably pick one of them as a running mate.

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                                      OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                                      @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                      He will probably pick one of them as a running mate.

                                      I think Kasich would be best. Ohio is a must win state for any republican as well as Kasich being a nice balance for Trump and having tons of experience in politics. That would be my pick.

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                                        Would anyone be totally surprised by this scenario:

                                        Donald Trump wins the nomination hands down and then announces fuck you I'm not going to run.

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                                          @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                          He will probably pick one of them as a running mate.

                                          I think Kasich would be best. Ohio is a must win state for any republican as well as Kasich being a nice balance for Trump and having tons of experience in politics. That would be my pick.

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                                          DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                          @oldbrownsfan said:

                                          I think Kasich would be best. Ohio is a must win state for any republican as well as Kasich being a nice balance for Trump and having tons of experience in politics. That would be my pick.

                                          Agree. But he would probably pick Rubio because of the Hispanic vote. Or perhaps a hispanic or black female?

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