Jim Brown Statue
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I'm just not sure I can get past what Jim Brown did in his past. I get a lot of charges were dismissed, but that's the same as saying Bill Cosby never assaulted women because he was never convicted. We rip Ray Rice and Big Ben for actions they weren't charged for but Jim Brown gets a pass and that's just dumb. To go to the level of putting up a statue is really dubious to me and something that just doesn't need to be done.
I'm just not sure I can get past what Jim Brown did in his past. I get a lot of charges were dismissed, but that's the same as saying Bill Cosby never assaulted women because he was never convicted. We rip Ray Rice and Big Ben for actions they weren't charged for but Jim Brown gets a pass and that's just dumb. To go to the level of putting up a statue is really dubious to me and something that just doesn't need to be done.
When you try to judge yesteryears events according to today's moral values...it don't work. Dames used to get slapped in the movies all the time and it WAS accepted in the community. Not today tho. And to add too Zs post. Read about Ty Cobb and then get self righteous.
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I'm just not sure I can get past what Jim Brown did in his past. I get a lot of charges were dismissed, but that's the same as saying Bill Cosby never assaulted women because he was never convicted. We rip Ray Rice and Big Ben for actions they weren't charged for but Jim Brown gets a pass and that's just dumb. To go to the level of putting up a statue is really dubious to me and something that just doesn't need to be done.
When you try to judge yesteryears events according to today's moral values...it don't work. Dames used to get slapped in the movies all the time and it WAS accepted in the community. Not today tho. And to add too Zs post. Read about Ty Cobb and then get self righteous.
When you try to judge yesteryears events according to today's moral values...it don't work. Dames used to get slapped in the movies all the time and it WAS accepted in the community. Not today tho. And to add too Zs post. Read about Ty Cobb and then get self righteous.
You are literally justifying a man beating up a woman because he played football well, both of you are. We joke and have a good time around here but that's honestly just deplorable. If it's being self-righteous to not support a woman-beater, than call me a self-righteous asshole I suppose. Time doesn't make that okay.
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I'm not saying Jim Brown is a dirtbag now. But his past
is just that, and I'll never respect him as much as Leroy Kelly.
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I don't justify what he did. The era does tho. History! learn it, love it, live it.
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I don't justify what he did. The era does tho. History! learn it, love it, live it.
I don't justify what he did. The era does tho. History! learn it, love it, live it.
No, it doesn't. Maybe where ever the fuck you're from it was okay to hit women, but where I was raised in Ohio it sure as shit wasn't. In fact, my grandfather told me at 84 years old that if I ever laid a wrong hand on my wife he'd personally beat the crap out of me. He has a story about a neighbor who was a wife beater who was in a coma after the neighborhood took care of it. It was never "historically okay" to beat defenseless women, so saying it's part of Jim Brown's era as an excuse is honestly just sobering that people see it that way.
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I don't justify what he did. The era does tho. History! learn it, love it, live it.
No, it doesn't. Maybe where ever the fuck you're from it was okay to hit women, but where I was raised in Ohio it sure as shit wasn't. In fact, my grandfather told me at 84 years old that if I ever laid a wrong hand on my wife he'd personally beat the crap out of me. He has a story about a neighbor who was a wife beater who was in a coma after the neighborhood took care of it. It was never "historically okay" to beat defenseless women, so saying it's part of Jim Brown's era as an excuse is honestly just sobering that people see it that way.
No, it doesn't. Maybe where ever the fuck you're from it was okay to hit women, but where I was raised in Ohio it sure as shit wasn't. In fact, my grandfather told me at 84 years old that if I ever laid a wrong hand on my wife he'd personally beat the crap out of me. He has a story about a neighbor who was a wife beater who was in a coma after the neighborhood took care of it. It was never "historically okay" to beat defenseless women, so saying it's part of Jim Brown's era as an excuse is honestly just sobering that people see it that way.
Nope it wasn't alright then. You're right about that. That is why he was investigated and charged. And he atoned acording to those times. Now to repunish him is whats called double jeopardy. He didn't kill and did his time.
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There's a difference between "beating" and a slap. It's my impression the latter used to be moderately condoned.
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There's a difference between "beating" and a slap. It's my impression the latter used to be moderately condoned.
There's a difference between "beating" and a slap. It's my impression the latter used to be moderately condoned.
There was a very popular tv show at the time called The Honeymooners. A common phrase there was.. To the moon Alice.... Implying a slap. Or more. I was a kid then but I knew what it meant. The Romans liked their blood sports too. We should tear down all that exists of them because they thought it entertaining to feed humans to lions?
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Ideally, they should pay tribute to Otto Graham, Paul and Jim Brown with statues. Then mold urinal cakes in the likeness of tar modell and have one in each toilet in the stadium.
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I've never been big on statues of anyone but if the Browns did have one Jim Brown would be one that would be high on anyone's list of names.
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When you try to judge yesteryears events according to today's moral values...it don't work. Dames used to get slapped in the movies all the time and it WAS accepted in the community. Not today tho. And to add too Zs post. Read about Ty Cobb and then get self righteous.
You are literally justifying a man beating up a woman because he played football well, both of you are. We joke and have a good time around here but that's honestly just deplorable. If it's being self-righteous to not support a woman-beater, than call me a self-righteous asshole I suppose. Time doesn't make that okay.
You are literally justifying a man beating up a woman because he played football well, both of you are. We joke and have a good time around here but that's honestly just deplorable. If it's being self-righteous to not support a woman-beater, than call me a self-righteous asshole I suppose. Time doesn't make that okay.
+1
And it doesn't take more than 5 minutes of an interview with Jim Brown to sum him up, egomaniacal badass. That is probably what made him such a great football player but era doesn't excuse it, may rationalize, but doesn't make it right. Let's not forget the Cleveland Browns, a team that in recent his is begging for positivity to sell it's fans, told him to get the fuck out (Holmgren)
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VesnaKociper said:
If Jim Browns can have a statue for beating women up, why can't Johnny Manziel?
This honestly might be the most poignant thing you have ever said.
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VesnaKociper said:
If Jim Browns can have a statue for beating women up, why can't Johnny Manziel?
Too hard to sculpt a swan dive.
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Get a set, people, Washington and Jefferson had slaves and they have National Monuments.
This guy is the the greatest FOOTBALL PLAYER of all time, he's done bad things, he's done good things, but he's a once in a lifetime talent and he's ours.
Babe Ruth
Jim Brown
Michael Jordan
Wayne Gretzky
There is only four of them. And the one that played the most popular sport in the USA was ours.
He threw a model off a balcony ... alledgedly ..
And it was a one-story balcony. Who hasn't done that?
Some windshields were broken, some charges never stuck, and lots of kids grew up in a better environment thanks to Jim Brown.
Whatever. He's Babe Ruth.
New York slobbers all over his hot dog eating, fat ass, sexist, pure white records.
Cleveland wants to apologize because Brown misbehaved 50 years ago. Grow up. No one can stop him, no one ever could, cant wait to get my picture taken in front of the statue.
Z
Zombo said:
Get a set, people, Washington and Jefferson had slaves and they have National Monuments.
This guy is the the greatest FOOTBALL PLAYER of all time, he's done bad things, he's done good things, but he's a once in a lifetime talent and he's ours.
Babe Ruth
Jim Brown
Michael Jordan
Wayne Gretzky
There is only four of them. And the one that played the most popular sport in the USA was ours.
He threw a model off a balcony ... alledgedly ..
And it was a one-story balcony. Who hasn't done that?
Some windshields were broken, some charges never stuck, and lots of kids grew up in a better environment thanks to Jim Brown.
Whatever. He's Babe Ruth.
New York slobbers all over his hot dog eating, fat ass, sexist, pure white records.
Cleveland wants to apologize because Brown misbehaved 50 years ago. Grow up. No one can stop him, no one ever could, cant wait to get my picture taken in front of the statue.
Z
I take Magic over Jordan.
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Zombo said:
Get a set, people, Washington and Jefferson had slaves and they have National Monuments.
This guy is the the greatest FOOTBALL PLAYER of all time, he's done bad things, he's done good things, but he's a once in a lifetime talent and he's ours.
Babe Ruth
Jim Brown
Michael Jordan
Wayne Gretzky
There is only four of them. And the one that played the most popular sport in the USA was ours.
He threw a model off a balcony ... alledgedly ..
And it was a one-story balcony. Who hasn't done that?
Some windshields were broken, some charges never stuck, and lots of kids grew up in a better environment thanks to Jim Brown.
Whatever. He's Babe Ruth.
New York slobbers all over his hot dog eating, fat ass, sexist, pure white records.
Cleveland wants to apologize because Brown misbehaved 50 years ago. Grow up. No one can stop him, no one ever could, cant wait to get my picture taken in front of the statue.
Z
I take Magic over Jordan.
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Zombo said:
I take Bird over Magic.
Z
Love Bird but the numbers don't lie Michael Jordan
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Zombo said:
I take Bird over Magic.
Z
Love Bird but the numbers don't lie Michael Jordan
Love Bird but the numbers don't lie Michael Jordan
I'll take Jordan over anybody.
My original point. The 4 GOATs
Zombo
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Zombo said:
I take Bird over Magic.
Z
Love Bird but the numbers don't lie Michael Jordan
Love Bird but the numbers don't lie Michael Jordan
Numbers? Then it is Bill Russell: 11 Championships. And isn't winning titles what its all about?
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Love Bird but the numbers don't lie Michael Jordan
I'll take Jordan over anybody.
My original point. The 4 GOATs
Zombo
Zombo said:
I'll take Jordan over anybody.
My original point. The 4 GOATs
Zombo
On the other hand...perhaps Jordan was just a product of Phil Jackson's coaching. After all, Jackson won 5 more titles with a Jordan like clone in Kobe Bryant.
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Zombo said:
I'll take Jordan over anybody.
My original point. The 4 GOATs
Zombo
On the other hand...perhaps Jordan was just a product of Phil Jackson's coaching. After all, Jackson won 5 more titles with a Jordan like clone in Kobe Bryant.
On the other hand...perhaps Jordan was just a product of Phil Jackson's coaching. After all, Jackson won 5 more titles with a Jordan like clone in Kobe Bryant.
I watched him play.
Zombo
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