Camp Wentz- Starts here.

Tour2ma

"Sub-elite" is a fair description for Goff, but personally I don't see elite arm strength in this draft.

Wentz may be closest, but he does not seem to have the kind of zip that makes the air "sizzle".

gftChris

@tour2ma said:

"Sub-elite" is a fair description for Goff, but personally I don't see elite arm strength in this draft.

Wentz may be closest, but he does not seem to have the kind of zip that makes the air "sizzle".

You mean combined with other desired QB attributes? Because plenty of guys have big arms.

TexasAg1969

@tour2ma said:
Wentz may be closest, but he does not seem to have the kind of zip that makes the air "sizzle".

A couple of weeks at the Browns's training table can fix that.

Tour2ma

@gftchris said:
You mean combined with other desired QB attributes? Because plenty of guys have big arms.

Strictly an arm-strength comment. I don't disagree with "big", but big < elite...

joedawg69

We also have to consider that the QBs might have been taking something off their throws for touch to make it easier for the receivers to catch the ball. I will hold my conclusions on arm strength till I see more of the QBs passes in small windows with actual defenders on the field.

BrownsnMopar

I like Wentz's total package. He seems imo to have more size,athleticism, and touch than

Goff. Goff seems a little on the dainty side. Wentz reminds me more of the AFC north type Qb

Flacco/Worthlessburger. Goff a little more like Dalton in Cincinnati. Ok he'll get ya to the

playoffs (which would be nice) but not the big trophy! I'd be ok with either,but would feel

somewhat like we settled for Goff. I'm tired of settling! We deserve #1 with the #2!!!!

Mike H

Here's something, FWIW

https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/704358141140439040

There's still time to jump on the right train.

runyon27

I am fully on board the Wentz train. I have nothing against Goff but after the combine and hearing about his background. A straight A student who works hard on his grades, shows me he will do the work, preparation needed to be a QB in this league. And I am fine with him sitting a year or at least part of it before taking over. So count me in!

Tim Couch Pulls Out

Puff piece - Carson Wentz has never received a B in his life.

hoorta

@tour2ma said:

Strictly an arm-strength comment. I don't disagree with "big", but big < elite...

OK, no Elway arms. As someone said about John- "he could throw the ball through a car wash, and it would come out dry on the other side." If Elway was a 9, Wentz is probably an 8.

@mike-h said:

Here's something, FWIW

https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/704358141140439040

There's still time to jump on the right train.

Yo, Mike, that's just physical characteristics. If Wentz compares favorably to Rothlisberger, sign me up.

Mike H

@hoorta said:

OK, no Elway arms. As someone said about John- "he could throw the ball through a car wash, and it would come out dry on the other side." If Elway was a 9, Wentz is probably an 8.

Yo, Mike, that's just physical characteristics. If Wentz compares favorably to Rothlisberger, sign me up.

Just providing more information.

I think Aaron Rodgers' arm is a 10, where 10 is the most ideal. Elway pretty close. I graded Wentz at 9. Graded Goff at 8.25.

I have a "what my grades" mean piece that I'm working on that I'll publish before I release scouting reports some time this week.

The Cysko Kid

Wentz is getting a lot of love. If we pick him I won't hate it

Tour2ma

@mike-h said:

I think Aaron Rodgers' arm is a 10, where 10 is the most ideal. Elway pretty close. I graded Wentz at 9. Graded Goff at 8.25.

I have a "what my grades" mean piece that I'm working on that I'll publish before I release scouting reports some time this week.

Seem like reasonable estimates... I might quibble a little, but will await more data points, e.g., Favre, Hoyer, McCown...

miktoxic

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
Puff piece - Carson Wentz has never received a B in his life.

but he likes it in his B.

just like you.

gftChris

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000639625

Haven't watched that yet.

The Gipper

@hoorta said:

OK, no Elway arms. As someone said about John- "he could throw the ball through a car wash, and it would come out dry on the other side." If Elway was a 9, Wentz is probably an 8.

Yo, Mike, that's just physical characteristics. If Wentz compares favorably to Rothlisberger, sign me up.

Sure.....if he is an 8 to Elways 9...get him. If he is the second coming of BR, get him.

Now, show me the professional scouting reports that say all that is true.

hoorta

@the-gipper said:

Sure.....if he is an 8 to Elways 9...get him. If he is the second coming of BR, get him.

Now, show me the professional scouting reports that say all that is true.

You ask, you get.... Not Andrew Luck gushing, but what most in Camp Wentz see. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/carson-wentz?id=2555259

PS- here's your guy... http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/joey-bosa?id=2555249

stillmotion

Bosa is overrated.... i'm sick of everyone being so hard on his dick.... The DE's in this draft are deep.

gftChris

I'm firmly in Camp Goff, but the more I see of Wentz, the more I wouldn't be bummed if we took him. It's getting to 1A/1B for me now.

I'm just conscious that a rookie QB in Cleveland isn't going to have tons of time to learn on the job (McCown will get injured pretty quickly and be out for at least a game or two). In that regard, a higher starting point is preferable and that's why I'm in camp Goff.

Of course, if we can get our OL playing to its potential, then whoever's back there will have all day to throw, so it might not matter, and Wentz is a lot bigger than Goff.

The Gipper

@hoorta said:

You ask, you get.... Not Andrew Luck gushing, but what most in Camp Wentz see. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/carson-wentz?id=2555259

PS- here's your guy... http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/joey-bosa?id=2555249

Bosa graded significantly higher per these.