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Bernie Sanders: "When you are white, you don't know what it's like to be poor."

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  • bbedwardB bbedward

    He's just really trying to pander to the black vote because he's only been getting 20% of it, I don't think this was the way to do it.

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    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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    @bbedward said:

    He's just really trying to pander to the black vote because he's only been getting 20% of it, I don't think this was the way to do it.

    Well if pandering is his goal then he did a great job. To be honest, rural white poor who could argue that they are much more poor than urban poor tend to vote Republican in presidential elections. It wouldn't matter what Sanders said. So I really don't think this will hurt him at all.

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      @bbedward said:

      He's just really trying to pander to the black vote because he's only been getting 20% of it, I don't think this was the way to do it.

      Well if pandering is his goal then he did a great job. To be honest, rural white poor who could argue that they are much more poor than urban poor tend to vote Republican in presidential elections. It wouldn't matter what Sanders said. So I really don't think this will hurt him at all.

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      @logicisforsquares said:

      Well if pandering is his goal then he did a great job. To be honest, rural white poor who could argue that they are much more poor than urban poor tend to vote Republican in presidential elections. It wouldn't matter what Sanders said. So I really don't think this will hurt him at all.

      But hillbillies don't vote Republican in a block. As a matter of fact most of the ones I know hate Republicans. Some of the biggest issues are not getting enough disability money and not being able to go to two Drs for oxy prescriptions.

      And one thing that makes me laugh is that they hate Mexicans and Muslims as bad as anyone you will meet but bitch that Republicans are racist.WSS

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        https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

        More disingenuous sanders nonsense. Whites are demonstrably victimized by minorities at a rate of no less than 10x the opposite. Often just for being white so making as if we're the greater problem is ridiculous.

        Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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          Another bitch from my hillbilly brethren, Medicaid is inconvenient.

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            OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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            Bernie needs to get out more. He has no clue about poor white people. Being poor is color blind.

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              I don't think there's too many millionaires on this forum if you know what I mean. We all work for what we have and Bernie needs to learn the difference between being lazy and being poor.

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                https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

                More disingenuous sanders nonsense. Whites are demonstrably victimized by minorities at a rate of no less than 10x the opposite. Often just for being white so making as if we're the greater problem is ridiculous.

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                @the-cysko-kid said:

                https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

                More disingenuous sanders nonsense. Whites are demonstrably victimized by minorities at a rate of no less than 10x the opposite. Often just for being white so making as if we're the greater problem is ridiculous.

                You're just missing your privilege. You need to call and get it.

                Whenever my checking account balance is low I just call the bank and tell them I'm white and they say of course and add more money

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                  C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                  I can't look at the video right now but is he saying white people don't know what poverty is or white people don't know life in a central American warzone? He has a point if he's talking about the latter.

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                    Considering central americans are usually categorized by the government as white (hispanic) I'd say you'd be wrong about that.

                    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                      bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by bbedward
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                      As he was also talking about the police abuse - it's probably relevant to mention that 99% of the violence in the "ghettos" Bernie is referencing is black on black, not police on black.

                      Last year we had like 4-5 young kids get killed in drive by shootings on the east side.

                      And Bernie's full quote for context:

                      He said, no, I don’t get cabs in Washington, D.C. This was 20 years ago. Because he was humiliated by the fact that cabdrivers would go past him because he was black. I couldn’t believe, you know, you just sit there and you say, this man did not take a cab 20 years ago in Washington, D.C. Tell you another story, I was with young people active in the Black Lives Matter movement. A young lady comes up to me and she says, you don’t understand what police do in certain black communities. You don’t understand the degree to which we are terrorized, and I’m not just talking about the horrible shootings that we have seen, which have got to end and we’ve got to hold police officers accountable, I’m just talking about every day activities where police officers are bullying people.

                      So to answer your question, I would say, and I think it’s similar to what the secretary said, when you’re white, you don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto. You don’t know what it’s like to be poor. You don’t know what it’s like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car.

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                      • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

                        @mld-woody said:

                        If you watch the video, he isn't really saying what the title to this thread would have you believe. The wording isn't the best, but I get what he's saying.

                        I get where he was trying to go but it is all in the phrasing. I would also probably pump the brakes on the "they are terrorized by the cops" angle. I have had the misfortune of being in some pretty heinous neighborhoods and cops are nonexistent or actively trying to avoid helping you. It may be a different thing all together elsewhere but NJ ghettos are more or less anarchy.

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                        @logicisforsquares said:

                        I get where he was trying to go but it is all in the phrasing. I would also probably pump the brakes on the "they are terrorized by the cops" angle. I have had the misfortune of being in some pretty heinous neighborhoods and cops are nonexistent or actively trying to avoid helping you. It may be a different thing all together elsewhere but NJ ghettos are more or less anarchy.

                        He didn't do the best job with the wording, but i think he's just trying to say many black Americans still deal with racism in some form. For poor blacks, that could be police abuse (in many forms), which we've seen.

                        Of course this slights the struggle some poor people from other races have.

                        And I'm not trying to get all "check your privilege" with it either. Just being realistic

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                          P Pumpkin Eater wrote on last edited by
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                          He shouldn't be making any type of generalizations about "white" people. Making any generalizations based on anyone because of their race is the textbook definition of racism is it not?

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                            He shouldn't be making any type of generalizations about "white" people. Making any generalizations based on anyone because of their race is the textbook definition of racism is it not?

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                            @pumpkin-eater said:

                            He shouldn't be making any type of generalizations about "white" people. Making any generalizations based on anyone because of their race is the textbook definition of racism is it not?

                            Only derogatory, I would have thought? Like 'white people are more likely to have ginger hair' isn't racist.

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                              He shouldn't be making any type of generalizations about "white" people. Making any generalizations based on anyone because of their race is the textbook definition of racism is it not?

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                              @pumpkin-eater said:

                              He shouldn't be making any type of generalizations about "white" people. Making any generalizations based on anyone because of their race is the textbook definition of racism is it not?

                              racism is generally associated with some form of negative stereotype...ie Messicans are lazy. Generalizations maybe not so much. Like black people tend to be really good athletes if they're so inclined. That's a generalization. But not one that's gonna have someone scream racist at you.

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                                @logicisforsquares said:

                                Well if pandering is his goal then he did a great job. To be honest, rural white poor who could argue that they are much more poor than urban poor tend to vote Republican in presidential elections. It wouldn't matter what Sanders said. So I really don't think this will hurt him at all.

                                But hillbillies don't vote Republican in a block. As a matter of fact most of the ones I know hate Republicans. Some of the biggest issues are not getting enough disability money and not being able to go to two Drs for oxy prescriptions.

                                And one thing that makes me laugh is that they hate Mexicans and Muslims as bad as anyone you will meet but bitch that Republicans are racist.WSS

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                                LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                @westside-steve said:

                                But hillbillies don't vote Republican in a block. As a matter of fact most of the ones I know hate Republicans. Some of the biggest issues are not getting enough disability money and not being able to go to two Drs for oxy prescriptions.

                                And one thing that makes me laugh is that they hate Mexicans and Muslims as bad as anyone you will meet but bitch that Republicans are racist.WSS

                                You haven't spent much time in the sticks in WV. They absolutely love the GOP and hate Dems. Our legislature is overwhelmingly Republican after almost a 100 years of Dem dominance. If Sanders were to sit down with them and explain that they would get more SSI or disability, they would be out voting twice for him.

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                                  @westside-steve said:

                                  But hillbillies don't vote Republican in a block. As a matter of fact most of the ones I know hate Republicans. Some of the biggest issues are not getting enough disability money and not being able to go to two Drs for oxy prescriptions.

                                  And one thing that makes me laugh is that they hate Mexicans and Muslims as bad as anyone you will meet but bitch that Republicans are racist.WSS

                                  You haven't spent much time in the sticks in WV. They absolutely love the GOP and hate Dems. Our legislature is overwhelmingly Republican after almost a 100 years of Dem dominance. If Sanders were to sit down with them and explain that they would get more SSI or disability, they would be out voting twice for him.

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                                  @logicisforsquares said:

                                  You haven't spent much time in the sticks in WV. They absolutely love the GOP and hate Dems. Our legislature is overwhelmingly Republican after almost a 100 years of Dem dominance. If Sanders were to sit down with them and explain that they would get more SSI or disability, they would be out voting twice for him.

                                  The uneducated white/redneck pillbilly stereotype probably is widely pervasive among trump supporters, I would imagine.

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                                    OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                                    Are Some Losin the Bern?

                                    Even Bernie Bros Are Upset With Sanders' Comment On Poverty

                                    Bernie Sanders alienated even some of his most committed fans when he said during Sunday night’s Democratic debate that white Americans don’t know what it’s like to be poor.

                                    “When you are white, you don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto, you don’t know what it’s like to be poor,” he said, answering a question about his racial blind spots.

                                    The remark inspired an onslaught of a criticism across Twitter and Reddit, with more than 11,000 tweets talking about poor whites during the debate, Vocativ found. Some slammed Sanders’ comment as not only offensive to whites but also to black Americans.

                                    http://www.vocativ.com/news/294143/even-bernie-bros-are-upset-with-sanders-comment-on-poverty/

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                                      rac·ism

                                      ˈrāˌsizəm/

                                      noun

                                      the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

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                                        That's correct pumpkin eater. And we've gone over this a dozen times. But the phony outrage gang prefers to describe it as a lack of proper deference to selected racial groups.

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                                          gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                          Fair enough. To me it has always insinuated a derogatory nature, but by that definition it seems so.

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