Bernie Sanders: "When you are white, you don't know what it's like to be poor."
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As he was also talking about the police abuse - it's probably relevant to mention that 99% of the violence in the "ghettos" Bernie is referencing is black on black, not police on black.
Last year we had like 4-5 young kids get killed in drive by shootings on the east side.
And Bernie's full quote for context:
He said, no, I don’t get cabs in Washington, D.C. This was 20 years ago. Because he was humiliated by the fact that cabdrivers would go past him because he was black. I couldn’t believe, you know, you just sit there and you say, this man did not take a cab 20 years ago in Washington, D.C. Tell you another story, I was with young people active in the Black Lives Matter movement. A young lady comes up to me and she says, you don’t understand what police do in certain black communities. You don’t understand the degree to which we are terrorized, and I’m not just talking about the horrible shootings that we have seen, which have got to end and we’ve got to hold police officers accountable, I’m just talking about every day activities where police officers are bullying people.
So to answer your question, I would say, and I think it’s similar to what the secretary said, when you’re white, you don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto. You don’t know what it’s like to be poor. You don’t know what it’s like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car.
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If you watch the video, he isn't really saying what the title to this thread would have you believe. The wording isn't the best, but I get what he's saying.
I get where he was trying to go but it is all in the phrasing. I would also probably pump the brakes on the "they are terrorized by the cops" angle. I have had the misfortune of being in some pretty heinous neighborhoods and cops are nonexistent or actively trying to avoid helping you. It may be a different thing all together elsewhere but NJ ghettos are more or less anarchy.
I get where he was trying to go but it is all in the phrasing. I would also probably pump the brakes on the "they are terrorized by the cops" angle. I have had the misfortune of being in some pretty heinous neighborhoods and cops are nonexistent or actively trying to avoid helping you. It may be a different thing all together elsewhere but NJ ghettos are more or less anarchy.
He didn't do the best job with the wording, but i think he's just trying to say many black Americans still deal with racism in some form. For poor blacks, that could be police abuse (in many forms), which we've seen.
Of course this slights the struggle some poor people from other races have.
And I'm not trying to get all "check your privilege" with it either. Just being realistic
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He shouldn't be making any type of generalizations about "white" people. Making any generalizations based on anyone because of their race is the textbook definition of racism is it not?
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He shouldn't be making any type of generalizations about "white" people. Making any generalizations based on anyone because of their race is the textbook definition of racism is it not?
He shouldn't be making any type of generalizations about "white" people. Making any generalizations based on anyone because of their race is the textbook definition of racism is it not?
Only derogatory, I would have thought? Like 'white people are more likely to have ginger hair' isn't racist.
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He shouldn't be making any type of generalizations about "white" people. Making any generalizations based on anyone because of their race is the textbook definition of racism is it not?
He shouldn't be making any type of generalizations about "white" people. Making any generalizations based on anyone because of their race is the textbook definition of racism is it not?
racism is generally associated with some form of negative stereotype...ie Messicans are lazy. Generalizations maybe not so much. Like black people tend to be really good athletes if they're so inclined. That's a generalization. But not one that's gonna have someone scream racist at you.
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But hillbillies don't vote Republican in a block. As a matter of fact most of the ones I know hate Republicans. Some of the biggest issues are not getting enough disability money and not being able to go to two Drs for oxy prescriptions.Well if pandering is his goal then he did a great job. To be honest, rural white poor who could argue that they are much more poor than urban poor tend to vote Republican in presidential elections. It wouldn't matter what Sanders said. So I really don't think this will hurt him at all.
And one thing that makes me laugh is that they hate Mexicans and Muslims as bad as anyone you will meet but bitch that Republicans are racist.WSS
But hillbillies don't vote Republican in a block. As a matter of fact most of the ones I know hate Republicans. Some of the biggest issues are not getting enough disability money and not being able to go to two Drs for oxy prescriptions.
And one thing that makes me laugh is that they hate Mexicans and Muslims as bad as anyone you will meet but bitch that Republicans are racist.WSS
You haven't spent much time in the sticks in WV. They absolutely love the GOP and hate Dems. Our legislature is overwhelmingly Republican after almost a 100 years of Dem dominance. If Sanders were to sit down with them and explain that they would get more SSI or disability, they would be out voting twice for him.
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But hillbillies don't vote Republican in a block. As a matter of fact most of the ones I know hate Republicans. Some of the biggest issues are not getting enough disability money and not being able to go to two Drs for oxy prescriptions.
And one thing that makes me laugh is that they hate Mexicans and Muslims as bad as anyone you will meet but bitch that Republicans are racist.WSS
You haven't spent much time in the sticks in WV. They absolutely love the GOP and hate Dems. Our legislature is overwhelmingly Republican after almost a 100 years of Dem dominance. If Sanders were to sit down with them and explain that they would get more SSI or disability, they would be out voting twice for him.
You haven't spent much time in the sticks in WV. They absolutely love the GOP and hate Dems. Our legislature is overwhelmingly Republican after almost a 100 years of Dem dominance. If Sanders were to sit down with them and explain that they would get more SSI or disability, they would be out voting twice for him.
The uneducated white/redneck pillbilly stereotype probably is widely pervasive among trump supporters, I would imagine.
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Are Some Losin the Bern?
Even Bernie Bros Are Upset With Sanders' Comment On Poverty
Bernie Sanders alienated even some of his most committed fans when he said during Sunday night’s Democratic debate that white Americans don’t know what it’s like to be poor.
“When you are white, you don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto, you don’t know what it’s like to be poor,” he said, answering a question about his racial blind spots.
The remark inspired an onslaught of a criticism across Twitter and Reddit, with more than 11,000 tweets talking about poor whites during the debate, Vocativ found. Some slammed Sanders’ comment as not only offensive to whites but also to black Americans.
http://www.vocativ.com/news/294143/even-bernie-bros-are-upset-with-sanders-comment-on-poverty/
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rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
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That's correct pumpkin eater. And we've gone over this a dozen times. But the phony outrage gang prefers to describe it as a lack of proper deference to selected racial groups.
WSS
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Fair enough. To me it has always insinuated a derogatory nature, but by that definition it seems so.
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If you watch the video, he isn't really saying what the title to this thread would have you believe. The wording isn't the best, but I get what he's saying.
If you watch the video, he isn't really saying what the title to this thread would have you believe. The wording isn't the best, but I get what he's saying.
The title of this thread is exactly what Bernie said. It's not being taken out of context. Bernie said what he said to make a point. While I don't think it makes him a racist, it was an incredibly stupid and racist thing to say (though it probably doesn't really hurt the demographic who's voting for him). Ironically, it's more racist than anything Trump has ever said. Bernie deserves flak for it, but I still like him as a candidate.
Having lived a portion of my life with my poor, minority white family in East Cleveland, I did take some personal offense to this. While I'm annoyed by Bernie, the double standards for what Trump says and what other candidates say is pissing me off more than anything about this. Trump is a racist for wanting to protect the borders? Trump is a racist for suggesting that some illegal Mexicans are criminals? Those statements are xenophobic, sure, but they're not generalizing an entire race of people by saying that they are incapable of experiencing something because of the color of their skin. That's what Bernie did.
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I know there's already plenty of spins to this, but yikes.
I grew up pretty poor, I think if I drove through East Cleveland late at night I'd probably get dragged out of my car (or worse)
This rhetoric adds to racial divides IMO - keeps pushing the idea that you're black, you're white, you're Hispanic, you're asian. The bottom line is you need to be American first IMO.
I grew up pretty poor, I think if I drove through East Cleveland late at night I'd probably get dragged out of my car (or worse)
That actually happened to my parents when my mom was pregnant with me, and it wasn't even at night. Mom, dad, uncle, two of uncle's friends were in the car. A black guy comes up and kicks the car while they're stopped at an intersection. Uncle gets out to go beat the shit out of him. As they're fighting, more and more people, all black, show up to join the fight and beat the shit out of some white kids. There's about 10 vs 4. Another car full of black people show up, my dad, who happened to be on the football team, recognized one of his teammates from this new car. He shouts to him, "Hey man, we could use your help," and everyone stops fighting. Stupid, racially motivated bullshit.
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Bernie says this and everyone is appalled.....Trump talks about his dick and leads the polls.....thats some hilariously scary shit.....
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A buddy and I went to E St. Louis about 15 yrs ago to score some weed. It was a really bad neighborhood. I was in the passenger side and my buddy ran up some stairs to talk to his dealer. I forewarned him if I got into any shit it was on him.
My buddy was taking forever and I was getting antsy when 2 black dudes approached me. It was summer time and late at night. One of them grabbed a shovel and told me to give him all my money.
Let's just say that when my buddy finally came down I was sitting in the passenger side with two black dudes out cold by the truck.Lol
No idea why I told you really but after reading VaporTails post it got to jogging my memories of bad places.
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If Trump had said this, you know they would've rated it Pants on Fire.
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Check your trailer privelege 20 million white people. You don't know what it is to be poor.
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