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Bernie Sanders: "When you are white, you don't know what it's like to be poor."

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  • P Pumpkin Eater

    He shouldn't be making any type of generalizations about "white" people. Making any generalizations based on anyone because of their race is the textbook definition of racism is it not?

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    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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    @pumpkin-eater said:

    He shouldn't be making any type of generalizations about "white" people. Making any generalizations based on anyone because of their race is the textbook definition of racism is it not?

    Only derogatory, I would have thought? Like 'white people are more likely to have ginger hair' isn't racist.

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    • P Pumpkin Eater

      He shouldn't be making any type of generalizations about "white" people. Making any generalizations based on anyone because of their race is the textbook definition of racism is it not?

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      C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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      @pumpkin-eater said:

      He shouldn't be making any type of generalizations about "white" people. Making any generalizations based on anyone because of their race is the textbook definition of racism is it not?

      racism is generally associated with some form of negative stereotype...ie Messicans are lazy. Generalizations maybe not so much. Like black people tend to be really good athletes if they're so inclined. That's a generalization. But not one that's gonna have someone scream racist at you.

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      • W Westside Steve

        @logicisforsquares said:

        Well if pandering is his goal then he did a great job. To be honest, rural white poor who could argue that they are much more poor than urban poor tend to vote Republican in presidential elections. It wouldn't matter what Sanders said. So I really don't think this will hurt him at all.

        But hillbillies don't vote Republican in a block. As a matter of fact most of the ones I know hate Republicans. Some of the biggest issues are not getting enough disability money and not being able to go to two Drs for oxy prescriptions.

        And one thing that makes me laugh is that they hate Mexicans and Muslims as bad as anyone you will meet but bitch that Republicans are racist.WSS

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        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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        @westside-steve said:

        But hillbillies don't vote Republican in a block. As a matter of fact most of the ones I know hate Republicans. Some of the biggest issues are not getting enough disability money and not being able to go to two Drs for oxy prescriptions.

        And one thing that makes me laugh is that they hate Mexicans and Muslims as bad as anyone you will meet but bitch that Republicans are racist.WSS

        You haven't spent much time in the sticks in WV. They absolutely love the GOP and hate Dems. Our legislature is overwhelmingly Republican after almost a 100 years of Dem dominance. If Sanders were to sit down with them and explain that they would get more SSI or disability, they would be out voting twice for him.

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          @westside-steve said:

          But hillbillies don't vote Republican in a block. As a matter of fact most of the ones I know hate Republicans. Some of the biggest issues are not getting enough disability money and not being able to go to two Drs for oxy prescriptions.

          And one thing that makes me laugh is that they hate Mexicans and Muslims as bad as anyone you will meet but bitch that Republicans are racist.WSS

          You haven't spent much time in the sticks in WV. They absolutely love the GOP and hate Dems. Our legislature is overwhelmingly Republican after almost a 100 years of Dem dominance. If Sanders were to sit down with them and explain that they would get more SSI or disability, they would be out voting twice for him.

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          @logicisforsquares said:

          You haven't spent much time in the sticks in WV. They absolutely love the GOP and hate Dems. Our legislature is overwhelmingly Republican after almost a 100 years of Dem dominance. If Sanders were to sit down with them and explain that they would get more SSI or disability, they would be out voting twice for him.

          The uneducated white/redneck pillbilly stereotype probably is widely pervasive among trump supporters, I would imagine.

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            OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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            Are Some Losin the Bern?

            Even Bernie Bros Are Upset With Sanders' Comment On Poverty

            Bernie Sanders alienated even some of his most committed fans when he said during Sunday night’s Democratic debate that white Americans don’t know what it’s like to be poor.

            “When you are white, you don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto, you don’t know what it’s like to be poor,” he said, answering a question about his racial blind spots.

            The remark inspired an onslaught of a criticism across Twitter and Reddit, with more than 11,000 tweets talking about poor whites during the debate, Vocativ found. Some slammed Sanders’ comment as not only offensive to whites but also to black Americans.

            http://www.vocativ.com/news/294143/even-bernie-bros-are-upset-with-sanders-comment-on-poverty/

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              rac·ism

              ˈrāˌsizəm/

              noun

              the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

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                W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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                That's correct pumpkin eater. And we've gone over this a dozen times. But the phony outrage gang prefers to describe it as a lack of proper deference to selected racial groups.

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                  gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                  Fair enough. To me it has always insinuated a derogatory nature, but by that definition it seems so.

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                  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                    If you watch the video, he isn't really saying what the title to this thread would have you believe. The wording isn't the best, but I get what he's saying.

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                    @mld-woody said:

                    If you watch the video, he isn't really saying what the title to this thread would have you believe. The wording isn't the best, but I get what he's saying.

                    The title of this thread is exactly what Bernie said. It's not being taken out of context. Bernie said what he said to make a point. While I don't think it makes him a racist, it was an incredibly stupid and racist thing to say (though it probably doesn't really hurt the demographic who's voting for him). Ironically, it's more racist than anything Trump has ever said. Bernie deserves flak for it, but I still like him as a candidate.

                    Having lived a portion of my life with my poor, minority white family in East Cleveland, I did take some personal offense to this. While I'm annoyed by Bernie, the double standards for what Trump says and what other candidates say is pissing me off more than anything about this. Trump is a racist for wanting to protect the borders? Trump is a racist for suggesting that some illegal Mexicans are criminals? Those statements are xenophobic, sure, but they're not generalizing an entire race of people by saying that they are incapable of experiencing something because of the color of their skin. That's what Bernie did.

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                      MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                      Bernie says this and everyone is appalled.....Trump talks about his dick and leads the polls.....thats some hilariously scary shit.....

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                        • bbedwardB bbedward

                          I know there's already plenty of spins to this, but yikes.

                          I grew up pretty poor, I think if I drove through East Cleveland late at night I'd probably get dragged out of my car (or worse)

                          This rhetoric adds to racial divides IMO - keeps pushing the idea that you're black, you're white, you're Hispanic, you're asian. The bottom line is you need to be American first IMO.

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                          VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on last edited by VaporTrail
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                          @bbedward said:

                          I grew up pretty poor, I think if I drove through East Cleveland late at night I'd probably get dragged out of my car (or worse)

                          That actually happened to my parents when my mom was pregnant with me, and it wasn't even at night. Mom, dad, uncle, two of uncle's friends were in the car. A black guy comes up and kicks the car while they're stopped at an intersection. Uncle gets out to go beat the shit out of him. As they're fighting, more and more people, all black, show up to join the fight and beat the shit out of some white kids. There's about 10 vs 4. Another car full of black people show up, my dad, who happened to be on the football team, recognized one of his teammates from this new car. He shouts to him, "Hey man, we could use your help," and everyone stops fighting. Stupid, racially motivated bullshit.

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                          • MudflyM Mudfly

                            Bernie says this and everyone is appalled.....Trump talks about his dick and leads the polls.....thats some hilariously scary shit.....

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                            @mudfly said:

                            Bernie says this and everyone is appalled.....Trump talks about his dick and leads the polls.....thats some hilariously scary shit.....

                            Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't one of the other candidates bring up the small hands reference?

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                              A buddy and I went to E St. Louis about 15 yrs ago to score some weed. It was a really bad neighborhood. I was in the passenger side and my buddy ran up some stairs to talk to his dealer. I forewarned him if I got into any shit it was on him.

                              My buddy was taking forever and I was getting antsy when 2 black dudes approached me. It was summer time and late at night. One of them grabbed a shovel and told me to give him all my money.

                              Let's just say that when my buddy finally came down I was sitting in the passenger side with two black dudes out cold by the truck.Lol

                              No idea why I told you really but after reading VaporTails post it got to jogging my memories of bad places.

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                                bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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                                http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/07/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-wrong-say-when-youre-white-you-dont/
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                                  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/07/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-wrong-say-when-youre-white-you-dont/
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                                  VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on last edited by
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                                  @bbedward said:

                                  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/07/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-wrong-say-when-youre-white-you-dont/

                                  If Trump had said this, you know they would've rated it Pants on Fire.

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                                    Check your trailer privelege 20 million white people. You don't know what it is to be poor.

                                    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                                      Check your trailer privelege 20 million white people. You don't know what it is to be poor.

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                                      LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                      @the-cysko-kid said:

                                      Check your trailer privelege 20 million white people. You don't know what it is to be poor.

                                      I had an Ethiopian coworker who was appalled at the conditions in certain parts of WV. Below third world.

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                                        Well Bernie has to do something to stop the bleeding, 90% of blacks are going with Hillary for some unknown reason. In the Democrat Party, Black people blame white people, white people blame corporations.

                                        PS PolitiFact is a left-wing organization. That doesn't make them wrong across the board just, you know, keep that grain of salt handy.

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                                          Well Bernie has to do something to stop the bleeding, 90% of blacks are going with Hillary for some unknown reason. In the Democrat Party, Black people blame white people, white people blame corporations.

                                          PS PolitiFact is a left-wing organization. That doesn't make them wrong across the board just, you know, keep that grain of salt handy.

                                          WSS

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                                          DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by DieHardBrownsFan
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                                          @westside-steve said:

                                          Well Bernie has to do something to stop the bleeding, 90% of blacks are going with Hillary for some unknown reason. In the Democrat Party, Black people blame white people, white people blame corporations.

                                          PS PolitiFact is a left-wing organization. That doesn't make them wrong across the board just, you know, keep that grain of salt handy.

                                          WSS

                                          Because Hillary was/is married to the first black president.

                                          http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/clinton-honored-first-black-president-black-caucus-dinner

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