BE to Giants Still Alive
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Since yesterday's release of Burress, I have to think the Browns might be looking at offering Braylon to the Giants to acquire even more draft picks. Even though we have greater needs on the defensive side of the ball, acquiring more 2nd/3rd round picks for Edwards could allow us to grab everybody's All-American WR Crabtree at #5 and focus on the defense with the rest of the picks.
I know we need a pass rusher in the worst way, but every mock I have seen is not sold on our pick, whether that be Orakpo or Brown. By adding picks we can afford to take Crabtree and get two or three starters with our 2nd/3rd round picks on the defensive side of the ball.
The other upside here is that Edwards is most likely gone after this year. It's a contract year, so I expect his 'concentration' to suddenly be all better and for him to make all the plays, but no question he'll shop around at the end of '09. Like we did with Winslow, it's time to sell our Braylon Edwards stock because it's only going to decrease over time.
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Since yesterday's release of Burress, I have to think the Browns might be looking at offering Braylon to the Giants to acquire even more draft picks. Even though we have greater needs on the defensive side of the ball, acquiring more 2nd/3rd round picks for Edwards could allow us to grab everybody's All-American WR Crabtree at #5 and focus on the defense with the rest of the picks.
I know we need a pass rusher in the worst way, but every mock I have seen is not sold on our pick, whether that be Orakpo or Brown. By adding picks we can afford to take Crabtree and get two or three starters with our 2nd/3rd round picks on the defensive side of the ball.
The other upside here is that Edwards is most likely gone after this year. It's a contract year, so I expect his 'concentration' to suddenly be all better and for him to make all the plays, but no question he'll shop around at the end of '09. Like we did with Winslow, it's time to sell our Braylon Edwards stock because it's only going to decrease over time.
Since yesterday's release of Burress, I have to think the Browns might be looking at offering Braylon to the Giants to acquire even more draft picks. Even though we have greater needs on the defensive side of the ball, acquiring more 2nd/3rd round picks for Edwards could allow us to grab everybody's All-American WR Crabtree at #5 and focus on the defense with the rest of the picks.
I know we need a pass rusher in the worst way, but every mock I have seen is not sold on our pick, whether that be Orakpo or Brown. By adding picks we can afford to take Crabtree and get two or three starters with our 2nd/3rd round picks on the defensive side of the ball.
The other upside here is that Edwards is most likely gone after this year. It's a contract year, so I expect his 'concentration' to suddenly be all better and for him to make all the plays, but no question he'll shop around at the end of '09. Like we did with Winslow, it's time to sell our Braylon Edwards stock because it's only going to decrease over time.
Especially since the Giants have two second round picks and two third round picks. I would take two seconds and a third or a second and two three's.
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If Roy Williams got DET a 1, 3, and 5 or 6 then we can easily get a 1, 3 off of the giants and I'd take another WR like Domenik Hixon like it was rumored to be before.
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I was surprised by this:
Edwards Still On Giants’ Radar?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 4, 2009, 9:43 a.m.
By cutting Plaxico Burress more than three weeks before the draft, the New York Giants have essentially put the rest of the league on notice that, if they have a high-end wideout they’d like to trade, now’s the time to get it done.
One name that continues to circulate is Braylon Edwards of the Browns. He’s entering the final year of his rookie deal, and reports recently surfaced of negotiations between the Giants and the Browns that nearly resulted in a deal. (The Browns wanted a two and a five and receiver Steve Smith; the Giants offered a two and a five and either Domenik Hixon or Mario Manningham.)
On Friday, former Browns tight end Kellen Winslow threw a little fuel on the fire by telling Sirius NFL Radio (via Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News) that Edwards wants to play for the Giants.
“For some reason I don’t [think he’ll play for the Browns in 2009],” Winslow told Adam Schein and Solomon Wilcots of the Sirius NFL Blitz. “I know Braylon would love to go to New York. The Giants would fit him to the ‘T’ and he would have so much fun up there. I know he loves Cleveland but New York would be a great fit for him.”
Winslow later said that Edwards “would love it there. He’s a city guy and, yeah, I know he would love it there.”
But the price might be higher than the two, five, and Kyle Orton-style throw-in receiver. Paul Schwartz of the New York Post reports that the Giants were unwilling to give up more than a first-round pick and a third-round pick for Edwards, which implies that the Browns asked for more than that.
Which makes sense, given that the Cowboys gave up a first-round pick, a third-round pick, and a sixth-round pick for former Lions receiver Roy Williams and a seventh-round pick.
If the Browns can get a 1st and 3rd for BE...not to mention a throw in player...I would jump ALL over that.
It would also increase the probability of Crabtree being an option at #5....and would give the Browns 2 1sts, 2 2nds, and a 3rd...and that is WITHOUT trading a QB.
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If only the Giants fans were their GM they are really starting to panic. Some of them are saying do whatever it takes to get Braylon like 2 first or whatever it takes. Some also seem to think that his hands are too big of a concern. (dont know where they got this idea) Its pretty fun reading through this thread it is stickied at the top of their board.
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I was for getting rid of braylon but after looking the situation over carefully after stallworths tragedy im not so sure we can prosper this season without him on the otherhand if he walks on us next year we get nothing in return and his offers will be abundant..its a tough call for mankok im onboard with whatever they choose to do in this situation..
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I was for getting rid of braylon but after looking the situation over carefully after stallworths tragedy im not so sure we can prosper this season without him on the otherhand if he walks on us next year we get nothing in return and his offers will be abundant..its a tough call for mankok im onboard with whatever they choose to do in this situation..
I was for getting rid of braylon but after looking the situation over carefully after stallworths tragedy im not so sure we can prosper this season without him on the otherhand if he walks on us next year we get nothing in return its a tough call for mankok im onboard with whatever they choose to do in this situation..
The way I look at this is I dont think he is going to want to stay after next year and I do not plan on us being a power house that has a chance to truly make a run. We are back in a rebuilding mode (hopefully it is only 1-2 years) and so I would love to take the picks and build for a few years down the road.
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We have options, folks. Can we not Franchise him next offseason if we chose to? It is far from time to declare him gone IMO.
mz. said:
We have options, folks. Can we not Franchise him next offseason if we chose to? It is far from time to declare him gone IMO.I don't think he has been consistent enough to warrant us playing his as one of the very top receivers in the league like we would if we had to franchise him. Plus I think he would be an even bigger pain in the ass after he was franchised. I could be wrong on this but I feel like if we have a chance to get a little more out of the Giants than he is worth we should do it.
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It seems to me that this could be a draft day deal.
Trying to look at it as Giants fan, I think I'd prefer to try and trade up to #5 if Crabtree is available at that point. If they wanted to go that route it would have to be a draft day deal.
I'd switch first round picks with the Giants if they would give me their third and fifth. Could the Browns get more for that switch? I have no idea. Maybe they could get more if the Giants are as desperate as they may end up being since cutting Plaxico.
For me personally, accepting a third round and fifth rounder for the switch is more of a sign of how unimpressed I am with any #5 pick as much as it is the need for the Browns to get deeper.
This way you keep Edwards and still are going to get a lot of help with picks #29, #36, #50 and #91.
I'd think the Giants wouldn't trade for Edwards without a new contract first. Unless they would plan on Franchising him which is possible since Snee and Webster will no longer be 2010 UFA's.
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I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
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It seems to me that this could be a draft day deal.
Trying to look at it as Giants fan, I think I'd prefer to try and trade up to #5 if Crabtree is available at that point. If they wanted to go that route it would have to be a draft day deal.
I'd switch first round picks with the Giants if they would give me their third and fifth. Could the Browns get more for that switch? I have no idea. Maybe they could get more if the Giants are as desperate as they may end up being since cutting Plaxico.
For me personally, accepting a third round and fifth rounder for the switch is more of a sign of how unimpressed I am with any #5 pick as much as it is the need for the Browns to get deeper.
This way you keep Edwards and still are going to get a lot of help with picks #29, #36, #50 and #91.
I'd think the Giants wouldn't trade for Edwards without a new contract first. Unless they would plan on Franchising him which is possible since Snee and Webster will no longer be 2010 UFA's.
It seems to me that this could be a draft day deal.
Trying to look at it as Giants fan, I think I'd prefer to try and trade up to #5 if Crabtree is available at that point. If they wanted to go that route it would have to be a draft day deal.
I'd switch first round picks with the Giants if they would give me their third and fifth. Could the Browns get more for that switch? I have no idea. Maybe they could get more if the Giants are as desperate as they may end up being since cutting Plaxico.
For me personally, accepting a third round and fifth rounder for the switch is more of a sign of how unimpressed I am with any #5 pick as much as it is the need for the Browns to get deeper.
This way you keep Edwards and still are going to get a lot of help with picks #29, #36, #50 and #91.
I'd think the Giants wouldn't trade for Edwards without a new contract first. Unless they would plan on Franchising him which is possible since Snee and Webster will no longer be 2010 UFA's.
NO NO NO
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I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
I agree with you Riffer.....It's just hard for me to think the Giants will want to give up #29 AND #91 for a guy that lead the league in drops, has no contract and hasn't been the best of teammates.
The way BE threw DA under the bus, could you imagine the media hype in NYC if he'd do the same to Eli? That kind of stuff can bring a season crashing down.
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I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
I agree with you Riffer.....It's just hard for me to think the Giants will want to give up #29 AND #91 for a guy that lead the league in drops, has no contract and hasn't been the best of teammates.
The way BE threw DA under the bus, could you imagine the media hype in NYC if he'd do the same to Eli? That kind of stuff can bring a season crashing down.
I agree with you Riffer.....It's just hard for me to think the Giants will want to give up #29 AND #91 for a guy that lead the league in drops, has no contract and hasn't been the best of teammates.
The way BE threw DA under the bus, could you imagine the media hype in NYC if he'd do the same to Eli? That kind of stuff can bring a season crashing down.
Only difference is that Eli is a quarterback. DA is just an oaf.
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I think Edwards would pull a Moss to the Pats type turn around in NY since Eli tends to hit his receivers in stride and not hang them out to dry in traffic.
I honestly think Edwards is through with us here, he thinks we hate him because of being part of the team up north, which isn't true by the way, it's from all the god damned drops! Anyways, you take what you can get and run with it. When someone doesn't want to be here they're not going to give it 100%, and we all saw what that did for us last season.
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If I am the Giants..I am not making this trade. I go with Steve smith, Hixon, and manningham.. use one of my picks on another reciever. They have no need to panic. They have a decent stable of young guys with good upside.
I would prefer to see... is resign Braylon RIGHT NOW and end this mess. This guy is a star.. I believe the Braylon of 2 years ago is the real Braylon, not the one for last year dropping passes. I think the whole team played stiff last year.. The QB situation effected everyone and coach Crennel did nothing to help... .. I think we make Braylon an offer to stay.. If he says no.. only then am I trading him. I like the idea of getting one of the giants other recievers for the 2 spot and getting crabtree with out 5th.. If Seattle does not snag him to match with TJ Housh.. TJ is already an older reciever and Seattle may be playing possum with the league.
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I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
Well said. If memory serves me right, Eric Wright could NOT cover Hixon during our preseason game. I remembered the steller performance and think there's some upside with him. Very intriguing young player.
That said, I also remember Braylon Edwards gave us 17 TDs in 1 season so I think Mancock is looking to fill a shopping cart with exchange value instead of 1 guy NY hasn't used as a fulltime starter. NY shouldn't be the one looking for all kinds of shopping coupons if they want to replace Burress with someone capable of Burress like stats.
Nothing wrong with Mancock feeling out what player/players here have BIGGEST exchange value. We put Dumb Ass on the open market and all we got in return were Condolence Cards on Recycled paper from teams thinking "no thanks - looks good on you though." It got even more comical when our version of Linda Lovelace for DA turned it into a chestpounding session. I'm still wondering the precise thought process that thinks 31 HELL-NO's is bragging material. Then again, why question the cubed root of ignorance when it has such an explosive entertainment value? If Jim Marshall wants to run the wrong way with the football for a TD - who wants to stand in his way of celebrating it right? Thanks Loverboy!
- Tom F.
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I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
I agree....If we keep Edwards this year, he'll be gone as a FA & we get nothing & he IS NOT a player I would franchise. If the 1st & 3rd offer surfaces, take it & RUN!
Mike
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Yeah, obviously if anyone offers a 1st and a 3rd round pick for BE the Browns would have to agree to the trade. Although, realistically I don't see you getting anything more than a 2nd and a third. Who was more valuable in pretty much every phase of your offense; BE or KW? BE seems to have the ability to be great, but is too inconsistant. I don't think BE should get anything more than the KW trade got you. Although, I think the Giants may be willing to give a little extra becuase of how bad they need a reciever. I think that a 2nd and either a 4th or 5th pick is most realistic. Of course, look what the Bears traded for Cutler. Getting a first round pick out of a team is a possiblilty, I just don't see the Giant giving up that much.
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I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
Actually a Philly may be a bigger player then the Giants. I believe both might be interesed in trading up for pick #5 over taking Edwards.
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