How likely, now, do you'all think it is, that the Browns trade down from #2?
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Ive mentioned this before....Makes me think about a Belichick interview I heard years ago, where he explained his theory on winning with middling players....which he has found a way to do....
Basically, he said you have A players and F players, and B, C & D players......and, due to salary structures, for every A player, you'll end up with more Ds & F's to balance the scale......and, often, when your A goes down, you're stuck with a D or F playing...
So, his objective is to load the roster with all B's and C's, who collectively are better than mixing A's and F's.....because there might not be superstars, but there are no big holes(which is more important).....and, quite often, some of those lesser players will surprise you and play like A's.......which we've seen over and over again with the Pats.....
So.....reading about Depodesta's history and trying to understand some of what the FO is doing....perhaps they are going to try to get a little better balance on the roster, instead of hoping for one or two big splash players to carry the load.....
Personally....I like the theory.....
Ive mentioned this before....Makes me think about a Belichick interview I heard years ago, where he explained his theory on winning with middling players....which he has found a way to do....
Basically, he said you have A players and F players, and B, C & D players......and, due to salary structures, for every A player, you'll end up with more Ds & F's to balance the scale......and, often, when your A goes down, you're stuck with a D or F playing...
So, his objective is to load the roster with all B's and C's, who collectively are better than mixing A's and F's.....because there might not be superstars, but there are no big holes(which is more important).....and, quite often, some of those lesser players will surprise you and play like A's.......which we've seen over and over again with the Pats.....
So.....reading about Depodesta's history and trying to understand some of what the FO is doing....perhaps they are going to try to get a little better balance on the roster, instead of hoping for one or two big splash players to carry the load.....
Personally....I like the theory.....
And Belichick is the luckiest man on earth when he drafted Tom Brady...because he thought he was getting basically a C- player when he got one of the greatest A+ players of all time.
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Ive mentioned this before....Makes me think about a Belichick interview I heard years ago, where he explained his theory on winning with middling players....which he has found a way to do....
Basically, he said you have A players and F players, and B, C & D players......and, due to salary structures, for every A player, you'll end up with more Ds & F's to balance the scale......and, often, when your A goes down, you're stuck with a D or F playing...
So, his objective is to load the roster with all B's and C's, who collectively are better than mixing A's and F's.....because there might not be superstars, but there are no big holes(which is more important).....and, quite often, some of those lesser players will surprise you and play like A's.......which we've seen over and over again with the Pats.....
So.....reading about Depodesta's history and trying to understand some of what the FO is doing....perhaps they are going to try to get a little better balance on the roster, instead of hoping for one or two big splash players to carry the load.....
Personally....I like the theory.....
And Belichick is the luckiest man on earth when he drafted Tom Brady...because he thought he was getting basically a C- player when he got one of the greatest A+ players of all time.
And Belichick is the luckiest man on earth when he drafted Tom Brady...because he thought he was getting basically a C- player when he got one of the greatest A+ players of all time.
That would be true........
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pick wentz or goff at #2 and quit fucking around.
although i'm a D first guy, the fact that the browns haven't had a franchise QB in the last 20+ years has obviously cost them. i thought building everything before adding the hood ornament was the way to go (and it prob is still) BUT how can any plan work (building D and OL) when the person trying to install that plan is gone before the plan can be fostered?
at least let hue get us the QB we need before he gets canned.
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pick wentz or goff at #2 and quit fucking around.
although i'm a D first guy, the fact that the browns haven't had a franchise QB in the last 20+ years has obviously cost them. i thought building everything before adding the hood ornament was the way to go (and it prob is still) BUT how can any plan work (building D and OL) when the person trying to install that plan is gone before the plan can be fostered?
at least let hue get us the QB we need before he gets canned.
pick wentz or goff at #2 and quit fucking around.
although i'm a D first guy, the fact that the browns haven't had a franchise QB in the last 20+ years has obviously cost them.
But, many are of the thought that neither of those guys give us the quality of QB that we are looking for...that you are looking.
(but...sure....we won't know for sure until you sign them up and let them play. I get that)
i thought building everything before adding the hood ornament was the way to go (and it prob is still) BUT how can any plan work (building D and OL) when the person trying to install that plan is gone before the plan can be fostered?
OK< the Tim Couch/David Carr school of thought.
at least let hue get us the QB we need before he gets canned.
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Baloney. I like Lynch, but not anywhere near as much as Wentz.
Lynch...will....not...be....there....at......32. It's a silly pipe dream.
That's what I think. So, you want to not draft at 2, and get Lynch at 32, after he probably already went earlier.
You take that chance, you will get burned, like sitting on a molten hot rock.
That's old Browns fo methodology.
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Browns won't trade down. Kaep won't take a pay cut, he won't come to Browns, and the pick will be Tunsil.
..Because the Titans will take Ramsey.
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lynch is prob the worse QB in the draft behind connor cock.
this regime WILL draft either wentz or goff. book it now suckers.
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Lynch could be good in a few years.... if he's there at 32, I'll be shocked.
and I think Kaep is just playing the Browns to get a good deal from Denver.
We already have a veteran qb that wants to be here, is a great teammate and mentor,
and threw for 451 yds in a game vs the ratbirds, I think it was.
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The 2016 Gruden’s QB Camp class features:
- Jared Goff (California),
- Carson Wentz (North Dakota State),
- Connor Cook (Michigan State),
- Christian Hackenberg (Penn State),
- Cardale Jones (Ohio State),
- Paxton Lynch (Memphis), and
- Dak Prescott (Mississippi State).
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Who is taking 3 Qbs? If we pass on one of them - I don't think both Goff and Wentz and Lynch goes before the second round... who is taking all these QBs if we pass. Id wager that if the Browns pass on a QB it sets off a chain reaction and only ONE, if that, goes in the first round. What teams NEED at QB that bad that they would burn a first round pick on one of these guys over the abundance of talent available in the first round?
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Most teams have their QB from years past... or have acquired talented QBs to fit their system, this is the year to build outside the QB. There are players. Elliot, Treadwell, Bosa, Tunsil, At least a handful of D-line and a couple players in the secondary that will make the first round. There's some good WRs. There is a beast TE that will be gone by the second. There is Jack and then you have ostrich looking Goff with his skinny jeans and arms. Then you have Wentz... don't draft the young version of Brandon Weeden. Wentz in Cleveland is just too much orange. Then when the Bengals and Browns play it can be the match of the NFL's red-headed stepchildren... I'm gonna vomit.
Bosa makes the Browns Defense Elite. Shelton and Bosa with Desmond Bryants' big ass, on the line. You put Kruger or Mingo on the other side and that QB isn't going anywhere but down.
For the QB hungry guys, We get Lynch at the top of the bottom of the first. Who is spending a first rounder on Lynch- besides the Browns? Once you get to the 20's no team up there need a QB.
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Most teams have their QB from years past... or have acquired talented QBs to fit their system, this is the year to build outside the QB. There are players. Elliot, Treadwell, Bosa, Tunsil, At least a handful of D-line and a couple players in the secondary that will make the first round. There's some good WRs. There is a beast TE that will be gone by the second. There is Jack and then you have ostrich looking Goff with his skinny jeans and arms. Then you have Wentz... don't draft the young version of Brandon Weeden. Wentz in Cleveland is just too much orange. Then when the Bengals and Browns play it can be the match of the NFL's red-headed stepchildren... I'm gonna vomit.
Bosa makes the Browns Defense Elite. Shelton and Bosa with Desmond Bryants' big ass, on the line. You put Kruger or Mingo on the other side and that QB isn't going anywhere but down.
For the QB hungry guys, We get Lynch at the top of the bottom of the first. Who is spending a first rounder on Lynch- besides the Browns? Once you get to the 20's no team up there need a QB.
Bosa makes the Browns Defense Elite. Shelton and Bosa with Desmond Bryants' big ass, on the line. You put Kruger or Mingo on the other side and that QB isn't going anywhere down.
For the QB hungry guys, We get Lynch at the top of the bottom of the first. Who is spending a first rounder on Lynch- besides the Browns? Once you get to the 20's no team up there need a QB.
So...cross off Bosa and Lynch as being good NFL players. They've received the PoG seal of suckage like Richardson and Manziel.
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The 2016 Gruden’s QB Camp class features:
- Jared Goff (California),
- Carson Wentz (North Dakota State),
- Connor Cook (Michigan State),
- Christian Hackenberg (Penn State),
- Cardale Jones (Ohio State),
- Paxton Lynch (Memphis), and
- Dak Prescott (Mississippi State).
The 2016 Gruden’s QB Camp class features:
- Jared Goff (California),
- Carson Wentz (North Dakota State),
- Connor Cook (Michigan State),
- Christian Hackenberg (Penn State),
- Cardale Jones (Ohio State),
- Paxton Lynch (Memphis), and
- Dak Prescott (Mississippi State).
Will Dak roll up with a 12 pack of Goose Island IPA ?
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I said NOT to draft Manziel. We could have gotten Mack and Carr like the Raiders did....
So now, 2 years later... maybe now you'll listen to me.
Mack and Carr
Bosa and Lynch.
Please note. I like Bosa more than I liked Mack but I liked Carr way, way more than Lynch.
I don't care if they take Lynch or not. Just if we are going to take one, I hope it's in at the earliest in the second and it's Lynch and not Goff or Wentz.
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I said NOT to draft Manziel. We could have gotten Mack and Carr like the Raiders did....
So now, 2 years later... maybe now you'll listen to me.
Mack and Carr
Bosa and Lynch.
Please note. I like Bosa more than I liked Mack but I liked Carr way, way more than Lynch.
I don't care if they take Lynch or not. Just if we are going to take one, I hope it's in at the earliest in the second and it's Lynch and not Goff or Wentz.
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the PoG QB kiss of death list (with a RB thrown in for the hell of it):
colt mccoy
trent richardson
brandon weeden
johnny football
etc. etc. etc.
yeah i liked carr too but that's like saying i liked joe montana 3 years after he was drafted.
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Colt McCoy... who just resigned, what a backup QB to have! I'd still have him on the roster today.
Richardson is making a comeback.
Mack was selected to the probowl for 2 different positions.
Carr is a Franchise QB.
Mathieu is an all-pro.
I made the best of Manziel. Hard to defend him when he's such a dumbshit, but hey, he was our QB. He's not anymore. It's sad to me because he could have been something special... and to see those fall from grace, from having the world on a string... that brings me no joy.
I'm still behind Gilbert though, somebodies got to pan out. I think Danny will be good for a long time. I don't know about Cam Erving. Hope he has the 'want to' to fill Mack's shoes.
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