RG3 Signs with the Browns
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You pick a QB in 2017 or 2018 with your top 3 pick. I think we all can agree that the most consistent way to build a better team is to build a solid defense. I think that was the Farmer/Pettine plan but don't think they fully committed to it.
If securing top QBs was easy Blaine Gabbert/Josh Mccown/Brian Hoyer wouldn't be starters
If securing a top defense was easy, the Browns wouldn't be picking guys like Gilbert and Mingo.
The Browns are in position to draft a top quarterback. This is not the time to chicken out.
If securing a top defense was easy, the Browns wouldn't be picking guys like Gilbert and Mingo.
The Browns are in position to draft a top quarterback. This is not the time to chicken out.
It's not about being scared it's about the talent that's there, or not there. Wentz was the QB at North Dakota State and Goff was an underwhelming 14-23 at Cal.
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those 2 are also rated far above the QBs that entered the draft in the past 2 years. so if you were screaming for mariota or bortles or winston or twatwater or the garrop, then why shy away from picking one now when the timing is right and the browns haven't picked a QB this high since couch in '99?
hell if we could get 4 all pro players for the #2 then i say trade away but those deals just don't happen anymore so you have to use it when you got it.
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Maybe that bad attitude was all Gruden's fold?
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Maybe that bad attitude was all Gruden's fold?
breitbart has a Sports Department?
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Maybe that bad attitude was all Gruden's fold?
breitbart has a Sports Department?
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If securing a top defense was easy, the Browns wouldn't be picking guys like Gilbert and Mingo.
The Browns are in position to draft a top quarterback. This is not the time to chicken out.
It's not about being scared it's about the talent that's there, or not there. Wentz was the QB at North Dakota State and Goff was an underwhelming 14-23 at Cal.
It's not about being scared it's about the talent that's there, or not there. Wentz was the QB at North Dakota State and Goff was an underwhelming 14-23 at Cal.
That's not looking deep enough. Flacco (who Wentz is being compared to) went to Delaware State, remember? Goff had near zero supporting cast at Cal. Sure they're a risk-
In the last 30 years there have probably have only been 3-5 QBs who weren't considered a risk, Andrew Luck being the last. FWIW, I was totally against Holmgren's sell the ranch to get RG III- I was right. If we take Goff or Wentz and they flop, we're only out 1 first round pick, not three. I'll go on record I like what I see out of the Goff Wentz duo. BTW, Hue went to both pro days, and liked what he saw.
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It's not about being scared it's about the talent that's there, or not there. Wentz was the QB at North Dakota State and Goff was an underwhelming 14-23 at Cal.
That's not looking deep enough. Flacco (who Wentz is being compared to) went to Delaware State, remember? Goff had near zero supporting cast at Cal. Sure they're a risk-
In the last 30 years there have probably have only been 3-5 QBs who weren't considered a risk, Andrew Luck being the last. FWIW, I was totally against Holmgren's sell the ranch to get RG III- I was right. If we take Goff or Wentz and they flop, we're only out 1 first round pick, not three. I'll go on record I like what I see out of the Goff Wentz duo. BTW, Hue went to both pro days, and liked what he saw.
That's not looking deep enough. Flacco (who Wentz is being compared to) went to Delaware State, remember? Goff had near zero supporting cast at Cal. Sure they're a risk-
In the last 30 years there have probably have only been 3-5 QBs who weren't considered a risk, Andrew Luck being the last. FWIW, I was totally against Holmgren's sell the ranch to get RG III- I was right. If we take Goff or Wentz and they flop, we're only out 1 first round pick, not three. I'll go on record I like what I see out of the Goff Wentz duo. BTW, Hue went to both pro days, and liked what he saw.
Not to be dickish. But any coach at any workout or tape viewing said anything negative about a player?.. I guess it means we really don't know.. I like both QB's.. signing this bag of shit QB does not thrill Me so.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Good pick up, expecially if they build offense around him.
I hate this shit! How about first we let a QB show us he is worth building an O around?
To save space I'm not going to repost the Jersey of Sadness. I'll just note they probably should start another row, or the names are going to start hitting the floor.
Taller mannequin?
Apparently Hue Jackson "fell in love with RG III" at the personal workout, and he displayed "freakish" accuracy and incredible speed. After the workout, Hue told our management team and owners that he wanted him, and Haslam said, "Go and get him."
Dangerous to fall in love... like I said, Hue has stuck his neck out.
But if this account is valid, then even more disturbing to me is Haslam having played a part in the decision.
What do you hate and why do you hate it?I hate this shit! How about first we let a QB show us he is worth building an O around?
Oh,this must be the part where we ignore Griffin's actual stats and replace them with empty rhstoric and pretend like he hasn't shown his talent. Am I right?
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What do you hate and why do you hate it?
Oh,this must be the part where we ignore Griffin's actual stats and replace them with empty rhstoric and pretend like he hasn't shown his talent. Am I right?
It's where we get the "he's bad at going through his progressions" argument jammed down our throat, despite the fact that it's nearly impossible to tell from film for a number of reasons.
No offense to Tour, it's just the same argument over and over again.
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That's not looking deep enough. Flacco (who Wentz is being compared to) went to Delaware State, remember? Goff had near zero supporting cast at Cal. Sure they're a risk-
In the last 30 years there have probably have only been 3-5 QBs who weren't considered a risk, Andrew Luck being the last. FWIW, I was totally against Holmgren's sell the ranch to get RG III- I was right. If we take Goff or Wentz and they flop, we're only out 1 first round pick, not three. I'll go on record I like what I see out of the Goff Wentz duo. BTW, Hue went to both pro days, and liked what he saw.
Not to be dickish. But any coach at any workout or tape viewing said anything negative about a player?.. I guess it means we really don't know.. I like both QB's.. signing this bag of shit QB does not thrill Me so.
Not to be dickish. But any coach at any workout or tape viewing said anything negative about a player?.. I guess it means we really don't know.. I like both QB's.. signing this bag of shit QB does not thrill Me so.
Well that too- and you're right. No coach\GM\scout is going to come out publicly after a workout and say "man, this kid sucks." It's smokescreen season, and the Browns are laying down a pretty heavy cloud.
Now regarding RG III- you may be right, I share your apprehension. But that's based on reports Griffin has been figured out, ala Derek Anderson who had only one pitch speed- a blazing fastball, with zero touch. Take away the deep stuff, and he was toast- tossing rockets his running backs couldn't handle on swing passes.
If it is true Griffin can't read a defense to save his life, we just wasted around $6 million to find out he hasn't learned anything in 4 years as a pro. The guy isn't stupid, so just maybe he can be coached up to a rudimentary level. MHO is he probably can't do much worse than McCown, and assuming we take a QB @ #2, he can be the pinata while the line stabilizes, and the rookie sits and watches.
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Good pick up, expecially if they build offense around him.
I hate this shit! How about first we let a QB show us he is worth building an O around?
To save space I'm not going to repost the Jersey of Sadness. I'll just note they probably should start another row, or the names are going to start hitting the floor.
Taller mannequin?
Apparently Hue Jackson "fell in love with RG III" at the personal workout, and he displayed "freakish" accuracy and incredible speed. After the workout, Hue told our management team and owners that he wanted him, and Haslam said, "Go and get him."
Dangerous to fall in love... like I said, Hue has stuck his neck out.
But if this account is valid, then even more disturbing to me is Haslam having played a part in the decision.
But if this account is valid, then even more disturbing to me is Haslam having played a part in the decision.
It could have been worse. I could have been Haslem visiting a homeless shelter again.
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It could have been worse. I could have been Haslem visiting a homeless shelter again.
Maybe Sashi should keep a roll of duct tape around if it looks like Jimmy is going to spout off.
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Not to be dickish. But any coach at any workout or tape viewing said anything negative about a player?.. I guess it means we really don't know.. I like both QB's.. signing this bag of shit QB does not thrill Me so.
Well that too- and you're right. No coach\GM\scout is going to come out publicly after a workout and say "man, this kid sucks." It's smokescreen season, and the Browns are laying down a pretty heavy cloud.
Now regarding RG III- you may be right, I share your apprehension. But that's based on reports Griffin has been figured out, ala Derek Anderson who had only one pitch speed- a blazing fastball, with zero touch. Take away the deep stuff, and he was toast- tossing rockets his running backs couldn't handle on swing passes.
If it is true Griffin can't read a defense to save his life, we just wasted around $6 million to find out he hasn't learned anything in 4 years as a pro. The guy isn't stupid, so just maybe he can be coached up to a rudimentary level. MHO is he probably can't do much worse than McCown, and assuming we take a QB @ #2, he can be the pinata while the line stabilizes, and the rookie sits and watches.
Well that too- and you're right. No coach\GM\scout is going to come out publicly after a workout and say "man, this kid sucks." It's smokescreen season, and the Browns are laying down a pretty heavy cloud.
Now regarding RG III- you may be right, I share your apprehension. But that's based on reports Griffin has been figured out, ala Derek Anderson who had only one pitch speed- a blazing fastball, with zero touch. Take away the deep stuff, and he was toast- tossing rockets his running backs couldn't handle on swing passes.
If it is true Griffin can't read a defense to save his life, we just wasted around $6 million to find out he hasn't learned anything in 4 years as a pro. The guy isn't stupid, so just maybe he can be coached up to a rudimentary level. MHO is he probably can't do much worse than McCown, and assuming we take a QB @ #2, he can be the pinata while the line stabilizes, and the rookie sits and watches.
I'm amazed he would come here if he's just basically the punching bag till Rocky gets his shit together. But , I guess at this point.. He's not in position to ask for much.. It's sad to wind up that way.. weather or not you like the guy or not. But I guess this is where Hue and House and Pep will earn thier pay check's so to speak.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Sounds like you and the Browns have a lot in common. And I am not sure you are right about that 2 year rule.
Here ya go, you old smartass!!..
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/8/29/6077941/nfl-practice-squad-rules-eligibility-salary-deadline
scroll down to where it says.. what makes a player eligible.
Here ya go, you old smartass!!..
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/8/29/6077941/nfl-practice-squad-rules-eligibility-salary-deadline
scroll down to where it says.. what makes a player eligible.
"In addition, a player is allowed on the practice squad for two years. If a player is on the practice squad for six weeks, up fron three weeks per the previous agreement, in a season, it is considered a year of PS sevice. Players are only allowed to be on a practice squad for a third year if their team keeps 53 players on the active-inactive list at all times."
many NFL players have been on Practice Squads for 3 years. but typically 2 or less.
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Well there goes the 2nd pick going for a qb maybe a good thing. J. Ramsey is the solid choice here right now.
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Well there goes the 2nd pick going for a qb maybe a good thing. J. Ramsey is the solid choice here right now.
why? please explain.
we are talking about a billion dollar company here, with no certain franchise QB on the roster, picking 2nd overall, with no guarantee they will be picking anywhere near the top of the draft next year and you are thinking Ramsey who you feel is "solid". ?? REALLY?!?
allow me to step off track a moment. i own four hooptie automobiles, that i affectionately call my "beaters". two are pretty rough. one is a classic. the fourth i acquired recently, is a restoration but the frame is pretty shoddy and i'm still unsure if it can hold up as an everyday option...but it looks decent so far.
as it stands now i feel i have two fairly reliable work cars, and i may decide to let the other two go entirely.
they may each run another 10 years...but none would preclude me from buying a new car.
a car analogy is just that--a car analogy--but hopefully it helped illustrate that just because the browns have QBs, the decision to draft their future guy is mutually exclusive.
RG3 is an unknown. right now the entire QB room-Griffin included-doesn't even add up to half of some franchise QBs yearly salaries, and adding a rookie contract still won't put them (all combined) near the cost of what most teams spend on their franchise QBs alone.
the team is unsure if their franchise QB is on the roster at the moment. simply adding another piece to the Browns puzzle is certainly not a foregone conclusion they won't draft a QB 2nd overall.
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and what if RG3 just still sucks and you don't pick the QB at #2?
shame. shame . shame on you FO. it would be unforgivable at this point of 23 QBs since '99 not to secure your future at that position.
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and what if RG3 just still sucks and you don't pick the QB at #2?
shame. shame . shame on you FO. it would be unforgivable at this point of 23 QBs since '99 not to secure your future at that position.
You pick a QB in 2017 or 2018 with your top 3 pick. I think we all can agree that the most consistent way to build a better team is to build a solid defense. I think that was the Farmer/Pettine plan but don't think they fully committed to it.
If securing top QBs was easy Blaine Gabbert/Josh Mccown/Brian Hoyer wouldn't be starters
You pick a QB in 2017 or 2018 with your top 3 pick. I think we all can agree that the most consistent way to build a better team is to build a solid defense. I think that was the Farmer/Pettine plan but don't think they fully committed to it.
If securing top QBs was easy Blaine Gabbert/Josh Mccown/Brian Hoyer wouldn't be starters
agree that they certainly don't grow on trees...so while they are picking at the top of the draft this year why would they risk passing on one if they believe Goff or Wentz could be their guy aka future franchise QB?
put another way, while 2nd overall is a valuable spot to pick at, would you rather spend ONE pick on a shot at finally securing the QB position for the first time since the early/mid 1990s, or wait a couple years and potentially have to mortgage several future drafts spending three (or more) 1st rd picks to attempt to climb up a handful of spots--ala Wash Redskins and RG3--just to watch him possibly bust.
no one makes that trade cheaply either and rest assured, the other 31 teams don't want the Browns to have a franchise QB just as badly as we DO want them to.
put like that, using the 2nd overall pick and possibly securing him now (or busting wasting a single pick) sounds a hell of a lot better than selling the farm to get one and then seeing him bust. Wimbley, Taylor, Mingo, Gilbert, Shelton etc coulda been franchise QBs. there's some examples of the Browns previous attempts at building a dominant defense at the expense of not investing in THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION ON THE FIELD.
hell, toss in Edwards, Winslow, Richardson and Erving as well. all wastes.
Weeden and JFF aside, going cheap via McJake, Frye, Quinn, McCoy, Dorsey, Shaw etc hasn't worked out. i hope this new regime tries a true blue-chip top 10 player at QB for once this decade...
to think the Browns can afford to pass up the opportunity to draft someone they like (assuming they do like Wentz or Goff) and can roll the dice and then a year or two from now have a franchise QB fall right in their lap at their natural pick without moving higher in the draft...is just being greedy in my opinion. reprehensibly so.
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1) I would take RG3 over Kap
2) We didn't pay him much. We are swimming in cap
3) unless we're sure Wentz/Goff is a franchise QB, I'm fine taking the best available, elite player. Build the team then plug in the QB. Going the other way is what we've done for years. We'll just break the QB. No one us is expecting great things. Let RG3 and maybe a later QB run the show. If one does well, you got your guy. If not, at least you have a young superstar
obviously just cuz you draft one at #2 doesn't mean you have to throw him in there immediately.3) unless we're sure Wentz/Goff is a franchise QB, I'm fine taking the best available, elite player. Build the team then plug in the QB. Going the other way is what we've done for years. We'll just break the QB. No one us is expecting great things. Let RG3 and maybe a later QB run the show. If one does well, you got your guy. If not, at least you have a young superstar
remember Kitna? let RG3 and McCown be the cannonfodder until the kid adjusts to the nfl and the o line is adequate to protect the future franchise QB. actually, from here it appears that very well may be the plan.
if the Browns don't like Wentz or Goff then it's BPA all the way for me, regardless of offense or defense.
JUST NO MORE FRIGGIN BUSTS!!
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And if it were that damn tough RG3 wouldn't have been riding the pine.
WSS
? RG3 was the 2nd pick of the draft and ROY. Clearly he showed some promise but at this point is a miss, drafting a 10+ year franchise QB is tough.
? RG3 was the 2nd pick of the draft and ROY. Clearly he showed some promise but at this point is a miss, drafting a 10+ year franchise QB is tough.
and you surely don't find one passing up QBs to take cornerbacks or defensive ends that may or may not convert to OLB. not specifically directed at you Bacon, just saying.
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Zombo said:
Duh.
Zombo
Well until McCown is cut/traded, I think he beats RG3 out personally. Also, Hue might have set up a competition between the rook and RG3, but this makes it seems like the rook will sit and learn regardless.
Well until McCown is cut/traded, I think he beats RG3 out personally. Also, Hue might have set up a competition between the rook and RG3, but this makes it seems like the rook will sit and learn regardless.
consider the source: cbs sports doesn't know any more than MKCabot. they are purely speculating McCown will be gone. and i agree, McCown > RG3 as far as football intelligence and exp. could be a close race depending on playcalling.
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