RG3 Signs with the Browns
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If they signed RGIII to a 5 year $50 mill contract, I would say they wouldn't be drafting a QB @ #2.Signing RG3 is their way of getting out of drafting a QB at 2. This really opens the door for Cardale or Cook.
Instead, he signed an incentive laden 2 year contract which tells me they will be taking a QB @ #2.
He signed a deal that could pay him 16 mill a year. No matter how long, thats a commitment, albeit minor. If you draft a QB at 2, theyre expected to be starting by the end of year 1. If they buy some time with RG3 and draft a QB in the 3rd, they can sit and develop him behind RG3 and McCown with no pressure to play him immediately. You dont spend that kind of money if youre drafting your starter at 2 imo.If they signed RGIII to a 5 year $50 mill contract, I would say they wouldn't be drafting a QB @ #2.
Instead, he signed an incentive laden 2 year contract which tells me they will be taking a QB @ #2.
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We replaced McCown with Grif.
That's it.
Bought another year with a guy 11 years younger with a better pedigree and better stats.
He's on a two year contract, he cost us nothing and we still have the second pick in the draft and Hue Jackson was pasted to Carson Wentz at his Pro Day.
WHAT IS THE ISSUE?
Z
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The Browns will still draft their qb at 2. He won't have to be thrown into the fire,
and when ...Wentz is ready, he'll take over.
If RGIII gets hurt for the rest of the season, say, halfway through......
you have to have you future of the frachise qb on board.
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Zombo's PhotoZombo
Yesterday, 11:20 PM
We replaced McCown with Grif. Griffin Goff...
quote name="calfoxwc" post="591076" timestamp="1459057906"]
The Browns will still draft their qb at 2. He won't have to be thrown into the fire,
and when ...Wentz is ready.
Wishful thinking.
WSS
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He signed a deal that could pay him 16 mill a year. No matter how long, thats a commitment, albeit minor. If you draft a QB at 2, theyre expected to be starting by the end of year 1. If they buy some time with RG3 and draft a QB in the 3rd, they can sit and develop him behind RG3 and McCown with no pressure to play him immediately. You dont spend that kind of money if youre drafting your starter at 2 imo.If they signed RGIII to a 5 year $50 mill contract, I would say they wouldn't be drafting a QB @ #2.
Instead, he signed an incentive laden 2 year contract which tells me they will be taking a QB @ #2.
He signed a deal that could pay him 16 mill a year. No matter how long, thats a commitment, albeit minor. If you draft a QB at 2, theyre expected to be starting by the end of year 1. If they buy some time with RG3 and draft a QB in the 3rd, they can sit and develop him behind RG3 and McCown with no pressure to play him immediately. You dont spend that kind of money if youre drafting your starter at 2 imo.
Houston paid over 30 million guaranteed money more than the Browns this year this year for an unproven QB. If RG hits all his incentives, he still gets way less. 3.25 mil guaranteed this year and the Browns can opt out after 1 year. And if he hits the incentives, what then? That seems like it translates to wins. I like that thought. Plus they most likely pick a QB at 2 because RG3 is DIRTFUCKINGCHEAP!
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He signed a deal that could pay him 16 mill a year. No matter how long, thats a commitment, albeit minor. If you draft a QB at 2, theyre expected to be starting by the end of year 1. If they buy some time with RG3 and draft a QB in the 3rd, they can sit and develop him behind RG3 and McCown with no pressure to play him immediately. You dont spend that kind of money if youre drafting your starter at 2 imo.
Houston paid over 30 million guaranteed money more than the Browns this year this year for an unproven QB. If RG hits all his incentives, he still gets way less. 3.25 mil guaranteed this year and the Browns can opt out after 1 year. And if he hits the incentives, what then? That seems like it translates to wins. I like that thought. Plus they most likely pick a QB at 2 because RG3 is DIRTFUCKINGCHEAP!
Houston paid over 30 million guaranteed money more than the Browns this year this year for an unproven QB. If RG hits all his incentives, he still gets way less. 3.25 mil guaranteed this year and the Browns can opt out after 1 year. And if he hits the incentives, what then? That seems like it translates to wins. I like that thought. Plus they most likely pick a QB at 2 because RG3 is DIRTFUCKINGCHEAP!
I don't see the problem with allowing our coach and his QB coach to take whomever they believe in. It's their career not mine and it is different from all the other "strategies" that have led to this same #2 pick overall via 2nd worst team in the NFL. So what the hell, I'll be happy no matter who they pick. Besides 5 years from now when the whole plan plays out I'll only be 74. My youngest grandparent to die was 86 and the oldest 98 with an average of 92. I figure on at least a couple of more decades I can patiently wait for the Browns to be good again. Oh wait, they've been back since '99!!??
Canton Mike you have to hang in there with me buddie.
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Houston paid over 30 million guaranteed money more than the Browns this year this year for an unproven QB. If RG hits all his incentives, he still gets way less. 3.25 mil guaranteed this year and the Browns can opt out after 1 year. And if he hits the incentives, what then? That seems like it translates to wins. I like that thought. Plus they most likely pick a QB at 2 because RG3 is DIRTFUCKINGCHEAP!
I don't see the problem with allowing our coach and his QB coach to take whomever they believe in. It's their career not mine and it is different from all the other "strategies" that have led to this same #2 pick overall via 2nd worst team in the NFL. So what the hell, I'll be happy no matter who they pick. Besides 5 years from now when the whole plan plays out I'll only be 74. My youngest grandparent to die was 86 and the oldest 98 with an average of 92. I figure on at least a couple of more decades I can patiently wait for the Browns to be good again. Oh wait, they've been back since '99!!??
Canton Mike you have to hang in there with me buddie.
I don't see the problem with allowing our coach and his QB coach to take whomever they believe in. It's their career not mine and it is different from all the other "strategies" that have led to this same #2 pick overall via 2nd worst team in the NFL. So what the hell, I'll be happy no matter who they pick. Besides 5 years from now when the whole plan plays out I'll only be 74. My youngest grandparent to die was 86 and the oldest 98 with an average of 92. I figure on at least a couple of more decades I can patiently wait for the Browns to be good again. Oh wait, they've been back since '99!!??
Canton Mike you have to hang in there with me buddie.
I'm with ya Bill...Neither of us is croakin' before our Brownies win at least ONE Super Bowl!!!
Mike
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Signing RG3 is their way of getting out of drafting a QB at 2. This really opens the door for Cardale or Cook.
This really opens the door for Cardale or Cook.
threw up in my mouth after reading this. proves you know jack. jack shit that is.
please stay at flyin J pumping gas (or whatever you like to pump) and away from the brown's FO.
oh btw....
HAPPY EASTER! RIGHT UP UR KEISTER!
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Working for Pilot is a respectable job. It takes honesty and integrity. I had a cashier that felt really bad about her job until I had a talk with her. A diesel dummy came in yelling and was calling her stupid and everything else.threw up in my mouth after reading this. proves you know jack. jack shit that is.
please stay at flyin J pumping gas (or whatever you like to pump) and away from the brown's FO.
oh btw....
HAPPY EASTER! RIGHT UP UR KEISTER!
I told her that people like that driver that come in are bold enough to cut you down with no remorse is degrading. Even more so not giving second thought in doing so. So, just remember its people like that can't do your job because they don't have self respect. The ones we do hire that don't have self respect steal and don't work very well with others. I told her she was doing great and now she's a GM.
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He signed a deal that could pay him 16 mill a year. No matter how long, thats a commitment, albeit minor. If you draft a QB at 2, theyre expected to be starting by the end of year 1. If they buy some time with RG3 and draft a QB in the 3rd, they can sit and develop him behind RG3 and McCown with no pressure to play him immediately. You dont spend that kind of money if youre drafting your starter at 2 imo.
Houston paid over 30 million guaranteed money more than the Browns this year this year for an unproven QB. If RG hits all his incentives, he still gets way less. 3.25 mil guaranteed this year and the Browns can opt out after 1 year. And if he hits the incentives, what then? That seems like it translates to wins. I like that thought. Plus they most likely pick a QB at 2 because RG3 is DIRTFUCKINGCHEAP!
Houston paid over 30 million guaranteed money more than the Browns this year this year for an unproven QB. If RG hits all his incentives, he still gets way less. 3.25 mil guaranteed this year and the Browns can opt out after 1 year. And if he hits the incentives, what then? That seems like it translates to wins. I like that thought. Plus they most likely pick a QB at 2 because RG3 is DIRTFUCKINGCHEAP!
Absolutely! Do you know why they had to? Because the Brian Hoyer they were willing to pay way more than Cleveland never became the solution they hoped he'd be. It seemed like half their wins came when he was injured with somebody like Yates filling in.
Houston also beat everyone to Ryan Mallett and how did that work? All that after they were the only NFL team brilliant enough to have Tom Savage on the roster allegedly. What's next? Hackenberg? That would make for an interesting head line - The AFC South just got Hacked.
Houston is a reminder of what not to do at the QB position.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Working for Pilot is a respectable job. It takes honesty and integrity. I had a cashier that felt really bad about her job until I had a talk with her. A diesel dummy came in yelling and was calling her stupid and everything else.threw up in my mouth after reading this. proves you know jack. jack shit that is.
please stay at flyin J pumping gas (or whatever you like to pump) and away from the brown's FO.
oh btw....
HAPPY EASTER! RIGHT UP UR KEISTER!
I told her that people like that driver that come in are bold enough to cut you down with no remorse is degrading. Even more so not giving second thought in doing so. So, just remember its people like that can't do your job because they don't have self respect. The ones we do hire that don't have self respect steal and don't work very well with others. I told her she was doing great and now she's a GM.
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Working for Pilot is a respectable job. It takes honesty and integrity. I had a cashier that felt really bad about her job until I had a talk with her. A diesel dummy came in yelling and was calling her stupid and everything else.
I told her that people like that driver that come in are bold enough to cut you down with no remorse is degrading. Even more so not giving second thought in doing so. So, just remember its people like that can't do your job because they don't have self respect. The ones we do hire that don't have self respect steal and don't work very well with others. I told her she was doing great and now she's a GM.
uh, it wasn't meant to degrade people and their jobs no matter what they are. it was meant to get under the skin of the person who posted the thought of cardale jones or conner cook behind center in a browns uni. just cuz it's easter doesn't mean u still can't bust balls.
i didn't know fast food employees, people that work at kmart, service station personnel..........that whole realm of menial work now needed a public defender. those people are getting a huge pay raise here in NY (and now cali i believe) and will cost small bizs to close and other retail and service co's to raise their prices/rates. so it's no longer 'those' people. and don't defend them as if i was attacking a bunch of Retards.
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One Post From the Truth said:
Working for Pilot is a respectable job. It takes honesty and integrity. I had a cashier that felt really bad about her job until I had a talk with her. A diesel dummy came in yelling and was calling her stupid and everything else.
I told her that people like that driver that come in are bold enough to cut you down with no remorse is degrading. Even more so not giving second thought in doing so. So, just remember its people like that can't do your job because they don't have self respect. The ones we do hire that don't have self respect steal and don't work very well with others. I told her she was doing great and now she's a GM.
uh, it wasn't meant to degrade people and their jobs no matter what they are. it was meant to get under the skin of the person who posted the thought of cardale jones or conner cook behind center in a browns uni. just cuz it's easter doesn't mean u still can't bust balls.
i didn't know fast food employees, people that work at kmart, service station personnel..........that whole realm of menial work now needed a public defender. those people are getting a huge pay raise here in NY (and now cali i believe) and will cost small bizs to close and other retail and service co's to raise their prices/rates. so it's no longer 'those' people. and don't defend them as if i was attacking a bunch of Retards.
uh, it wasn't meant to degrade people and their jobs no matter what they are. it was meant to get under the skin of the person who posted the thought of cardale jones or conner cook behind center in a browns uni. just cuz it's easter doesn't mean u still can't bust balls.
i didn't know fast food employees, people that work at kmart, service station personnel..........that whole realm of menial work now needed a public defender. those people are getting a huge pay raise here in NY (and now cali i believe) and will cost small bizs to close and other retail and service co's to raise their prices/rates. so it's no longer 'those' people. and don't defend them as if i was attacking a bunch of Retards.
You bastard! Get your ass to church and don't come back here until you're ready to behave.
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Awww youre so sweet!threw up in my mouth after reading this. proves you know jack. jack shit that is.
please stay at flyin J pumping gas (or whatever you like to pump) and away from the brown's FO.
oh btw....
HAPPY EASTER! RIGHT UP UR KEISTER!
btw... I didnt say I liked or wanted those guys. I want Wentz.
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He signed a deal that could pay him 16 mill a year. No matter how long, thats a commitment, albeit minor. If you draft a QB at 2, theyre expected to be starting by the end of year 1. If they buy some time with RG3 and draft a QB in the 3rd, they can sit and develop him behind RG3 and McCown with no pressure to play him immediately. You dont spend that kind of money if youre drafting your starter at 2 imo.If they signed RGIII to a 5 year $50 mill contract, I would say they wouldn't be drafting a QB @ #2.
Instead, he signed an incentive laden 2 year contract which tells me they will be taking a QB @ #2.
He signed a deal that could pay him 16 mill a year. No matter how long, thats a commitment, albeit minor. If you draft a QB at 2, theyre expected to be starting by the end of year 1. If they buy some time with RG3 and draft a QB in the 3rd, they can sit and develop him behind RG3 and McCown with no pressure to play him immediately. You dont spend that kind of money if youre drafting your starter at 2 imo.
The contract that RGIII signed is more indicative of Cleveland taking a QB at #2. That's not only my opinion, but that of a couple of NFL GM's as well.
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Zombo's PhotoZombo
Yesterday, 11:20 PM
We replaced McCown with Grif. Griffin Goff...
quote name="calfoxwc" post="591076" timestamp="1459057906"]
The Browns will still draft their qb at 2. He won't have to be thrown into the fire,
and when ...Wentz is ready.
Wishful thinking.
WSS
Zombo's PhotoZombo
Yesterday, 11:20 PM
We replaced McCown with Grif. Griffin Goff...
quote name="calfoxwc" post="591076" timestamp="1459057906"]
The Browns will still draft their qb at 2. He won't have to be thrown into the fire,
and when ...Wentz is ready.
Wishful thinking.
WSS
I surmise you think we are going to pass on the stud QBs in the draft because we signed Griff to a 2-year contract.
I don't see that. At all. In fact the Browns still say they are looking at the rookies, Griffin has said out loud that he understands they are probably bringing in a rookie and, after giving the A-OK on Grif, Hue Jack was the only HC at Wentz's workout and was all over his every move.
So I don't know why anyone thinks signing this guy means no Goff or Wentz.
We just upgraded the placeholder.
Besides, I thought you had a thing for self-centered, mobile, Heisman Trophy winning QBs from Texas?
Zombo
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Zombo's PhotoZombo
Yesterday, 11:20 PM
We replaced McCown with Grif. Griffin Goff...
quote name="calfoxwc" post="591076" timestamp="1459057906"]
The Browns will still draft their qb at 2. He won't have to be thrown into the fire,
and when ...Wentz is ready.
Wishful thinking.
WSS
Zombo's PhotoZombo
Yesterday, 11:20 PM
We replaced McCown with Grif. Griffin Goff...
quote name="calfoxwc" post="591076" timestamp="1459057906"]
The Browns will still draft their qb at 2. He won't have to be thrown into the fire,
and when ...Wentz is ready.
Wishful thinking.
WSS
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I got yer musical answer to that right here, Steve !
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better rendition by the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and my favorite musical artist, Alison Krauss:\
Odd. I couldn't find one of Steve singing it. dang.
for all Browns fans, in lieu of having had a winning season yet...
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First, I move that page 10 be named the Frisky Singo page...
Pretty close... Even though you know what I meant, I'll play this once...
I hate the "if we give him pieces" argument and it's past tense version, "had we only...". Good QBs elevate their surrounding talent. When we land one who does this then I'm all in on building talent around him. As for "why"? Two years of hearing it for JM did the trick...
As for RG3... Yes, he showed his talent... over 800 yds of it his rookie season. Since then injuries have stolen the foundational element of his game... his running. His passing simply has yet to stand on it's own.
None taken... especially since in RG's case it's not my analysis, but that of nearly every writer I've read that has looked at his decline. That said it doesn't hurt that their opinion also jives with RG's stats and my take on him at Baylor.
It very well may be the case but, to me, that argument is VERY hard to make from an outsiders perspective for a number of reasons - we don't know the structure of the play, we don't know the pre-snap reads, we don't know where exactly the QBs eyes are, we don't know if or when a receiver runs the right or wrong route, etc.
It's easy to look at a screenshot and say "oh look, so and so missed Y on a delayed post, his second read, and instead dumped off to his back in the flats when he could have had a nice 20 yard gain".
However, what we don't know is Y was NEVER his read and the play was structured to vacate the flat and pull the safety toward the middle of the field, leaving the RB with room to run, and setting up a deep post later in the game.
There's so many moving parts of an offense that vary from a play-to-play basis that I take a lot of those articles with a grain of salt. Now, clearly in RG3's case there is SOMETHING that caused him to get benched, but I think it was more to do with his injuries, causing him not only to lose confidence in his abilities but also shoehorning him into trying to grind it out from the pocket and, thus, make bad decisions.
RG3 isn't a pocket QB. He CAN throw from the pocket, but we see what his ceiling is there - roughly a 90 rating, low 60% completion percentage guy.
He's a boot action, RPO sideline to sideline QB who plays his best football by turning each play into a three pronged attack. PA keeps the run option alive and freezes the safeties, rolling keeps the run alive and flows the linebackers and causes them to vacate their zones, freeing up mid-tree routes that eat up chunks of real estate, and if they don't flow then RG3 is able to gain yards off of the rollout.
That's how he succeeded in 2012 and that's how he'll succeed again. Not as a "running QB" but utilizing his mobility behind the line as a tool to cause the defense to move out of position.
The issue, in my eyes, was never his ability to read defenses, it was in his confidence. You can't hem this guy in and play small ball - they tried it in 2013 and again in 2014. It's not maximizing his skillset.
RG3 isn't a pocket QB. He CAN throw from the pocket, but we see what his ceiling is there - roughly a 90 rating, low 60% completion percentage guy.
He's a boot action, RPO sideline to sideline QB who plays his best football by turning each play into a three pronged attack. PA keeps the run option alive and freezes the safeties, rolling keeps the run alive and flows the linebackers and causes them to vacate their zones, freeing up mid-tree routes that eat up chunks of real estate, and if they don't flow then RG3 is able to gain yards off of the rollout.
That's how he succeeded in 2012 and that's how he'll succeed again. Not as a "running QB" but utilizing his mobility behind the line as a tool to cause the defense to move out of position.
Agree except for your characterization of his success route. "Running" is an integral part of his only proven path to date.
I just don't understand the issue with signing RG3.
No issue... just placing our bets as people tend to do in sports forums...
I am excited to see what a healthy Griffin can do with a HC and coaching staff that believes in him. Griffin's greatest downfall in Washington was the fact that the front office hired a HC that wasn't committed to him.
Good Lord...
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Houston paid over 30 million guaranteed money more than the Browns this year this year for an unproven QB. If RG hits all his incentives, he still gets way less. 3.25 mil guaranteed this year and the Browns can opt out after 1 year. And if he hits the incentives, what then? That seems like it translates to wins. I like that thought. Plus they most likely pick a QB at 2 because RG3 is DIRTFUCKINGCHEAP!
Absolutely! Do you know why they had to? Because the Brian Hoyer they were willing to pay way more than Cleveland never became the solution they hoped he'd be. It seemed like half their wins came when he was injured with somebody like Yates filling in.
Houston also beat everyone to Ryan Mallett and how did that work? All that after they were the only NFL team brilliant enough to have Tom Savage on the roster allegedly. What's next? Hackenberg? That would make for an interesting head line - The AFC South just got Hacked.
Houston is a reminder of what not to do at the QB position.
Houston is a reminder of what not to do at the QB position.
Different situation than us though. Houston has been the poster child of the QB as a last piece approach ever since Watt came on and Schaub melted down.
And now, as other key pieces have faded and replacements are sought for those pieces, the last grand effort is made. If Brock flops, then their window will close.
And that kids is why you look to the QB position early in the process like we will this draft.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
When Tom Savage stays healthy & still on his rookie contract than proves he's still no slouch. With Oz standing on the sidelines with his millions in hand. Has got to be a 'told you so" to our FO. Yes you bring in a rookie QB on a 4 year rookie contract before you face RG3 in 2 years..
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