Camp Wentz Part Deux
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I could have written much of this, but even I am not cruel enough to have written it all. It made me wince a few times and a couple of the play critiques do not ring true. Nonetheless it captures many of the summary elements that in total represent the gap I see between Wentz and Goff.
The Warts of Carson Wentz March 27, 2016 Cian Fahey
http://presnapreads.com/2016/03/27/the-warts-of-carson-wentz/
There are gifs a plenty illustrating the various points the writer makes.
Here are a few of the writer's conclusion that I also saw from the beginning:
- Throwing receivers open isn’t something Wentz does. He didn’t need to do it against the defenses he faced in college. Wentz would try to fit the ball over defenders, but was still rifling the ball rather than throwing with controlled elevation.
- He repeatedly throws the ball to where he sees the receiver rather than where the receiver is going.
- It’s not just that Wentz runs out of clean pockets either, he doesn’t feel pressure around him unless it arrives in his line of sight.
- Wentz primarily gets rid of the ball to his first read. He’s not exceptionally efficient doing this but he is better the quicker he gets rid of the ball. When he holds onto the ball and moves his eyes from one side of the field to the other, his play becomes looser.
I could have written much of this, but even I am not cruel enough to have written it all. It made me wince a few times and a couple of the play critiques do not ring true. Nonetheless it captures many of the summary elements that in total represent the gap I see between Wentz and Goff.
The Warts of Carson Wentz March 27, 2016 Cian Fahey
http://presnapreads.com/2016/03/27/the-warts-of-carson-wentz/
There are gifs a plenty illustrating the various points the writer makes.
Here are a few of the writer's conclusion that I also saw from the beginning:
- Throwing receivers open isn’t something Wentz does. He didn’t need to do it against the defenses he faced in college. Wentz would try to fit the ball over defenders, but was still rifling the ball rather than throwing with controlled elevation.
- He repeatedly throws the ball to where he sees the receiver rather than where the receiver is going.
- It’s not just that Wentz runs out of clean pockets either, he doesn’t feel pressure around him unless it arrives in his line of sight.
- Wentz primarily gets rid of the ball to his first read. He’s not exceptionally efficient doing this but he is better the quicker he gets rid of the ball. When he holds onto the ball and moves his eyes from one side of the field to the other, his play becomes looser.
Went through all of the link Tour. It does give you plenty of food for thought. Carson was largely operating from a clean pocket against D II secondaries. NFL CBs will be a lot more attentive, and you to have to have anticipation where your receiver will be when he breaks open. I noticed in some other tape, Wentz rarely had to go through a full progression to find someone wide open. Might be enough to tilt me over to the Goff side of the fence.
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Only a fool would pick Wentz over Goff.
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Only a fool would pick Goff, if he doesn't have the intangibles like Wentz has, and
with arm strength that won't make it in the wind and rain.
Just not sold on Goff, except for he's very polished, and a lot more ready to play immediately.
The Browns don't have to worry about that.
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Only a fool would pick Goff, if he doesn't have the intangibles like Wentz has, and
with arm strength that won't make it in the wind and rain.
Just not sold on Goff, except for he's very polished, and a lot more ready to play immediately.
The Browns don't have to worry about that.
Only a fool would pick Goff, if he doesn't have the intangibles like Wentz has, and
with arm strength that won't make it in the wind and rain.
Just not sold on Goff, except for he's very polished, and a lot more ready to play immediately.
The Browns don't have to worry about that.
If I have no idea what either players' "intangibles" are, then does that make them equal?
Their arm strength is not very different. I thought Wentz had the stronger arm as well, but then Goff won the fast ball competition at the Combine.
Wentz's lack of readiness to play may not concern you in 2016 ... but by 2018 you will be very concerned.
I take the guy I know can play now because he has already shown he has taken that last QB step. That in a word is the gap...
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@PFF_College
Carson Wentz adjusted completion percentage:
11-20 yard range: 70.7% (2nd in draft class
21-30 yard range: 43.5% (23rd in draft class)
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Great read:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15158945/does-north-dakota-state-qb-carson-wentz-really-add-20m
Maybe it means nothing. Maybe they'll draft someone else instead. But as he's walking toward Jackson, both of them already eager to catch a plane, Hamilton can't resist catching Jackson's eye and offering his silent, one-word review: Wow.
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I was watching Detone Jones, DE, of the Packers talk about
Aaron Rodgers. He said Rodgers was so great because
he was really, really smart....that he got his wr's to learn the defenses,
won the celebrity trivia game whatever it was.....
Wentz is a whole lot like Rodgers. Doesn't matter that much that Goff is
the best pure passer in the draft.
There's a hell of a lot more to qb'ing that just being the best passer.
Wentz has it all.
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Yeah.... who wants the "best passer"? Yuck...
That was a good read... very well written article.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Yeah.... who wants the "best passer"? Yuck...
That was a good read... very well written article.
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Bryce Petty was called the "best pure passer"...
Interesting article, but I disagree with Parcell's
"requirements" for a qb...
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Fine... then let's just take the best pure passer this year who also happens to be the best QB prospect...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Fine... then let's just take the best pure passer this year who also happens to be the best QB prospect...
Fine... then let's just take the best pure passer this year who also happens to be the best QB prospect...
Or we could take the guy who actually ran his offense...
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Let's put it this way:
for a face of the franchise...
we know - Wentz won championships, has strong arm,
plenty tough enough to run and engage blockers if necessary....
has a pretty girlfriend, same one since hs, loves the outdoors, hunts
and fishes and hikes, is loved by his teammates and fans...
got a wrist injury and the first game back was a championship game... they won.
He came for his guys on the team.
has an older brother that he is very close to, is extremely competitive,
has a great sense of humor, is funny, used to chide his teammates to play
country music instead of rap, so they had a contest where they held a basketball
hoop over somebody's head and had a competition of hoop shots (laughed, a lot,
probably a freshman player they were teasing?), played basketball at the request
of the coach, is outgoing to fans anywhere he goes, says sometimes he wears a hat
and sunglasses so he is more incognito, laughs about it.... at his favorite restaurant...
at Gruden's workout,
they were whapping him with foam pool floaties while he ran plays, and he quipped
"is my turn with those soon?".... he's going to be a great community guy, a winner...
there's photos of him all over the place with all sorts of people, his family, his girlfriend....
he'd be outstanding off the field and a huge community kid......he's brilliant, called his own
plays and protections, straight "A" student, very popular with his teammates and friends...
and fans...
and what do we know about Goff? He won more games his Senior year... is a fan of
Taylor Swift, played basketball, is the best pure passer in college, is serious, dour,
doesn't smile much in interviews.........seems very introverted with no sense of humor
and....and likes to hide in his room and play video games
and.................uh.....eh......he.....................?
they are both terrific college qb's. Wentz is the real deal for the face of the franchise.
If they trade down, I predict it will be with Dallas, their third round pick this year, and a good player,
maybe a second round pick next year... Camp Wentz rocks.
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Interesting read on why #2 overall is the most important spot in this draft.
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the Browns would be able to rebuild on both sides of the ball, with Philadelphia likely sending Cleveland next year's first rounder in addition to its first- and second-round picks, plus a later selection.
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Except the Eagles don't have a pick in the second round, do they?
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Interesting read on why #2 overall is the most important spot in this draft.
Interesting read on why #2 overall is the most important spot in this draft.
Stopped reading at "Joe Haden stud cornerback"
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60/40 Wentz will be gone to the Rams with first pick?
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Stat of the day:
When under pressure Wentz's 2015 completion percentage was 29%.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Well, let's take a looky-look at the wide receivers difference.
A Year Ago…One of the strongest positional groups in the Pac-12, the Bears’receivers were one of the bright spots during a fairly mediocre2014 season. No receiver broke the 1,000 yard mark, but five wideoutscaught five or more touchdowns.Juniors Chris Harper, Bryce Treggs, and Trevor Davis were alloutstanding, and were considered to be playmakers before the seasoneven started. But it was Sophomore Kenny Lawler who stole the showover the course of the season, amassing over 700 yards receivingand nine touchdowns.Overall, the wideout group for the Bears was just another outstandinggroup in a pretty outstanding Cal offense. The receivers helpedquarterback Jared Goff, and running back Daniel Lasco, lead a potentCal Bear offensive attack that pretty much carried the whole team.This group looks to continue to grow off their 2014 campaign, inwhich they ranked 6th in the NCAA in passing yards per game.
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