Is Ramsey Really THAT Good?
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When analysts promoting the guy are showing what they deem as some of his greatest highlights - 4 of the 5 they keep showing are all depicting a DB tackling receivers around the shoulder pads while needing the help of teammates to bring the receiver down to the ground. That kind of tackling attempt in Cleveland in 2015 led to a lot of concussions in our defense/secondary and missed tackles. If he's going to be in the last tier of defense in the NFL (not to be confused with the ACC), this could be more problematic than some think. All this talk he's flexible enough to play Corner or Safety, tackling is a pretty scary thing to be weak at. There's a couple draft guides that also include tackling as a weakness so it's not just the 5 highlights the NFL Channel keeps showing depicting this.
2 things that could dilute my concerns somewhat are:
1) Is he a ballhawk that gets his team a bunch of turnovers? 3 INTs in 3 years says no.
2) Is he a shutdown corner beyond the ACC? Maybe.
Even if he is a shut-down corner, he'll still be asked to tackle RBs weighing over 220 lbs with a head of steam quite often when we defend the run. That being the case, he either gets his pad height down or he's a frequent concussion candidate in the NFL. Besides bad tackling, wasn't our volume of concussions accompanying the bad habits higher than normal here?
I've been wrong before though. Besides, I probably just karma'd this kid to greatness...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Ramsey definitely doesn't jump out to me as being the guy everyone is saying he is. I am not completely locked down on that opinion if someone can show me what I am missing.
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Ramsey definitely doesn't jump out to me as being the guy everyone is saying he is. I am not completely locked down on that opinion if someone can show me what I am missing.
Ramsey definitely doesn't jump out to me as being the guy everyone is saying he is. I am not completely locked down on that opinion if someone can show me what I am missing.
Thanks for weighing in! I carefully chose to use a question in my subject heading before I shared my concerns. That said, it's very real that this guy could be someone this team chooses so I'd like to see something that could make me feel better about him if so.
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Yeah if he was limited in INTs because the other team avoided him like dick cancer then I could see the reason he is being hyped up. Shutting down a section of the field is invaluable. However, I didn't see that going on.
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Yeah if he was limited in INTs because the other team avoided him like dick cancer then I could see the reason he is being hyped up. Shutting down a section of the field is invaluable. However, I didn't see that going on.
Yeah if he was limited in INTs because the other team avoided him like dick cancer then I could see the reason he is being hyped up. Shutting down a section of the field is invaluable. However, I didn't see that going on.
Good point! I agree with LT when he says he doesn't see any more shutdown corners today largely d/t the NFL agenda to increase scoring via the pass. Revis used to be and he's still pretty solid like some of the other elite corners. But it seems like taking away one third of the field is a lost art especially on a teams with a pass rush like we had in 2015.
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Ramsey will be a Patrick Peterson type guy. Although they don't play the same on defense they will have the same impact. If you like PP you'll like Ramsey.
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When analysts promoting the guy are showing what they deem as some of his greatest highlights - 4 of the 5 they keep showing are all depicting a DB tackling receivers around the shoulder pads while needing the help of teammates to bring the receiver down to the ground. That kind of tackling attempt in Cleveland in 2015 led to a lot of concussions in our defense/secondary and missed tackles. If he's going to be in the last tier of defense in the NFL (not to be confused with the ACC), this could be more problematic than some think. All this talk he's flexible enough to play Corner or Safety, tackling is a pretty scary thing to be weak at. There's a couple draft guides that also include tackling as a weakness so it's not just the 5 highlights the NFL Channel keeps showing depicting this.
2 things that could dilute my concerns somewhat are:
1) Is he a ballhawk that gets his team a bunch of turnovers? 3 INTs in 3 years says no.
2) Is he a shutdown corner beyond the ACC? Maybe.
Even if he is a shut-down corner, he'll still be asked to tackle RBs weighing over 220 lbs with a head of steam quite often when we defend the run. That being the case, he either gets his pad height down or he's a frequent concussion candidate in the NFL. Besides bad tackling, wasn't our volume of concussions accompanying the bad habits higher than normal here?
I've been wrong before though. Besides, I probably just karma'd this kid to greatness...
There's a couple draft guides that also include tackling as a weakness so it's not just the 5 highlights the NFL Channel keeps showing depicting this.
Not to mention the highlight where he dives and knocks down a ball that he had a shot at intercepting. I've read accounts that he bats down more INTs than he makes, i.e., bad hands...
He may well warrant being grouped into the top tier... but in the #1 overall conversation? Never felt that.
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Overrated.
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Yeah if he was limited in INTs because the other team avoided him like dick cancer then I could see the reason he is being hyped up. Shutting down a section of the field is invaluable. However, I didn't see that going on.
Yeah if he was limited in INTs because the other team avoided him like dick cancer then I could see the reason he is being hyped up. Shutting down a section of the field is invaluable. However, I didn't see that going on.
I just wholeheartedly disagree with you on this. I have nothing more than personal experience but I watched a bunch of FSU football. It was blatantly obvious teams by in large were avoiding Ramsey. I think he will be a top tier corner, but number 2 pick is a pretty big stretch. He's easily one of the best 6-7 players in this draft though. The bigger problem for me is that he shows limitations in press coverage but FSU plays off the ball a good bit.
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If you have watched a lot of his games then I will default to you on an opinion on Ramsey. I only watched FSU play 3 games this past season.
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Are there any games you suggest watching?
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If you have watched a lot of his games then I will default to you on an opinion on Ramsey. I only watched FSU play 3 games this past season.
If you have watched a lot of his games then I will default to you on an opinion on Ramsey. I only watched FSU play 3 games this past season.
Well let me again say I'm talking merely as a fan, I'm far from an expert on breaking down tape. I'll tell you a game where what I'm saying was certainly wrong, and shows what he needs to work on: FSU v. Miami (2015). I remember watching this game and thinking he's far from the perfect prospect.
A good game was against NC State (you can see him playing press a bunch here too and his speed on blitzes)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not crazy about taking him at 2 in the slightest. I would only wanna consider taking him if we did trade back to the 6-8 range.
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I'd much rather have Jack if we have a shot at the two.
FYPI'd much rather have two shots ofJack .
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I'd much rather have two shots ofJack .
Jack, perhaps having some Jack:
And Happy Jack
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From ACC country. You guys have nailed Ramsey to exactly what he is. Overrated.. Watched him many times & he's not the Dion Sanders he thinks he is. He can cover & he can blitz but mostly he relies on his strong hands & upper body with a nasty mindset to get him where he is. Don't think he ever accepted any coaching on tackling techniques at all.
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justin gilbert had great highlight reels as well as..........
no. he's not patrick petersen. and when did you start drafting DBs @2?
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I'd much rather have two shots ofJack .
Jack, perhaps having some Jack:
And Happy JackI'd much rather have two shots ofJack .
Jack, perhaps having some Jack:
And Happy JackIronically, the home of Jack Daniels and Ramsey is Middle TN so you and Aggie brought us full circle Gipper.
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justin gilbert had great highlight reels as well as..........
no. he's not patrick petersen. and when did you start drafting DBs @2?
justin gilbert had great highlight reels as well as..........
no. he's not patrick petersen. and when did you start drafting DBs @2?
Even if Patrick is Peter's son - I wouldn't have drafted him #2 as much as he intrigued me so I never quite got the love and adoration for Ramsey on the NFL Channel. It's like they want to invent someone so presto we have a gotta have anywhere from #1 to #4 overall. Really? You might want to find better highlights for your viewers then.
The guy might end up being a lot better than I'm giving him credit for today; but his tacking is atrocious for a last tier of defense. Now factor in how bad our tackling was in 2015 while our pass rush hurried nobody to take advantage of his press coverage assets. There's gotta be better fits for him and my guess is they aren't in the top 10 where he's been catapulted to.
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If we go with defense at #2 it's gotta be bosa. He's the only guy that makes an immediate impact on run defense and that's what we desperately need. But if someone wants to spread their legs for us and move up to that spot, fine....but we can't drop back too far that we don't have a shot at jack.
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