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Is Ramsey Really THAT Good?

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    i get bosa fans and yes he was a great player in college but why draft a guy that doesn't fit in your system?

    @miktoxic said:

    i get bosa fans and yes he was a great player in college but why draft a guy that doesn't fit in your system?

    Because they don't listen. It ain't fuckin Billy Kilmer Lol
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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @miktoxic said:

    i get bosa fans and yes he was a great player in college but why draft a guy that doesn't fit in your system?

    Because the system is irrelevent to his talent. That might be important when it comes to a QB....But when it comes to pass rusher it is irrelevent. That is like saying that a WR or RB doesn't fit a system...so we should not take a great one.

    @the-gipper said:

    Because the system is irrelevent to his talent. That might be important when it comes to a QB....But when it comes to pass rusher it is irrelevent. That is like saying that a WR or RB doesn't fit a system...so we should not take a great one.

    I wouldn't go that far. I can think of a fair share of classic rush ends that wouldn't prefer the same if asked to play from a 2pt.

    Not that this team would be asking Bosa to do that. No chance.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @the-gipper said:

    Because the system is irrelevent to his talent. That might be important when it comes to a QB....But when it comes to pass rusher it is irrelevent. That is like saying that a WR or RB doesn't fit a system...so we should not take a great one.

    I wouldn't go that far. I can think of a fair share of classic rush ends that wouldn't prefer the same if asked to play from a 2pt.

    Not that this team would be asking Bosa to do that. No chance.

    @tiamat63 said:

    I wouldn't go that far. I can think of a fair share of classic rush ends that wouldn't prefer the same if asked to play from a 2pt.

    Not that this team would be asking Bosa to do that. No chance.

    They can ask him to do whatever the fuck they want...and he would/could do it. As far as playing DE is concerned.

  • isn't that what everyone said about mingo? how about krueger.....how's he doing in the browns system?

    fucking dolts.

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    isn't that what everyone said about mingo? how about krueger.....how's he doing in the browns system?

    fucking dolts.

    @miktoxic said:

    isn't that what everyone said about mingo? how about krueger.....how's he doing in the browns system?

    fucking dolts.

    I don't think their failures have anything to do with the system. They just don't play all that well. Now, in Mingo's case, I do think that he has been misused some, not being let go much to rush the passer.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    isn't that what everyone said about mingo? how about krueger.....how's he doing in the browns system?

    fucking dolts.

    @miktoxic said:

    isn't that what everyone said about mingo? how about krueger.....how's he doing in the browns system?

    fucking dolts.

    Yup... not just a "system" change... it's a position change. It simply introduces another variable into the transition to the pros mix.

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  • Ramsey 2015...targeted 66 times and 0 Ints.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    isn't that what everyone said about mingo? how about krueger.....how's he doing in the browns system?

    fucking dolts.

    @miktoxic said:

    isn't that what everyone said about mingo? how about krueger.....how's he doing in the browns system?

    fucking dolts.

    I don't recall a single individual saying that about Barky.

    Then again, I wasn't a member of this board at the time. I'm going off of conversations I had with friends. However its always a gamble taking an undersized Weakside End and asking him to play from a 2pt stance.

    @au165 said:

    Ramsey 2015...targeted 66 times and 0 Ints.

    Usually I'd say that isn't fair to the CB. Especially if he's being tasked to play man almost exclusively.

    As I mentioned earlier though, from what I've seen, Ramsey had a solid amount of safety help or at the worst rolled his way late.

  • tia... roughly what was Ramsey's split between CB and FS?

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    tia... roughly what was Ramsey's split between CB and FS?

    @tour2ma said:

    tia... roughly what was Ramsey's split between CB and FS?

    Hate to say I didn't take a snap count. But..... I didn't take a snap count.

    For what I saw in the three 2014 tapes, he played back on the hash about 65% of the time. If we want to apply that 65% over the course of 12-14 games, so be it. I'm sure that number might have some flux in either direction. If he wasn't there, he was up in the box playing a nickel, or blitzing from that spot. Oddly enough he was used a TON at the line in the Rose Bowl or split out between the numbers against bunch packages. Kid has the willingness to take on screens and blockers, he just needs better technique and tackling to fight them off. It wasn't until this past seasons tape when I noticed he rarely moved from playing outside.

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  • I'm a diehard FSU fan, so obviously I'm biased, but Ramsey is absolutely ridiculous. He can stop the run, cover, rush the QB, AND...he has his shit completely together OFF the field. He's the guy you never worry about, and a terrific teammate. The 4.4 40 yard dash, 40 inch vertical, and every other measurable make him extremely desirable.

    And you know what? He wasn't even the best player on the FSU defense. The guy to watch is a guy named Derwin James. Yeah...he was a FRESHMAN.

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  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919

    I'm a diehard FSU fan, so obviously I'm biased, but Ramsey is absolutely ridiculous. He can stop the run, cover, rush the QB, AND...he has his shit completely together OFF the field. He's the guy you never worry about, and a terrific teammate. The 4.4 40 yard dash, 40 inch vertical, and every other measurable make him extremely desirable.

    And you know what? He wasn't even the best player on the FSU defense. The guy to watch is a guy named Derwin James. Yeah...he was a FRESHMAN.

    @jiggins7919 said:

    I'm a diehard FSU fan, so obviously I'm biased, but Ramsey is absolutely ridiculous. He can stop the run, cover, rush the QB, AND...he has his shit completely together OFF the field. He's the guy you never worry about, and a terrific teammate. The 4.4 40 yard dash, 40 inch vertical, and every other measurable make him extremely desirable.

    And you know what? He wasn't even the best player on the FSU defense. The guy to watch is a guy named Derwin James. Yeah...he was a FRESHMAN.

    Can we assume that Ramsey will not be there for the Browns at 8?

  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919

    I'm a diehard FSU fan, so obviously I'm biased, but Ramsey is absolutely ridiculous. He can stop the run, cover, rush the QB, AND...he has his shit completely together OFF the field. He's the guy you never worry about, and a terrific teammate. The 4.4 40 yard dash, 40 inch vertical, and every other measurable make him extremely desirable.

    And you know what? He wasn't even the best player on the FSU defense. The guy to watch is a guy named Derwin James. Yeah...he was a FRESHMAN.

    @jiggins7919 said:

    I'm a diehard FSU fan...

    I knew there was something not quite right about you...

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  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919

    I'm a diehard FSU fan, so obviously I'm biased, but Ramsey is absolutely ridiculous. He can stop the run, cover, rush the QB, AND...he has his shit completely together OFF the field. He's the guy you never worry about, and a terrific teammate. The 4.4 40 yard dash, 40 inch vertical, and every other measurable make him extremely desirable.

    And you know what? He wasn't even the best player on the FSU defense. The guy to watch is a guy named Derwin James. Yeah...he was a FRESHMAN.

    @jiggins7919 said:

    I'm a diehard FSU fan, so obviously I'm biased, but Ramsey is absolutely ridiculous. He can stop the run, cover, rush the QB, AND...he has his shit completely together OFF the field. He's the guy you never worry about, and a terrific teammate. The 4.4 40 yard dash, 40 inch vertical, and every other measurable make him extremely desirable.

    And you know what? He wasn't even the best player on the FSU defense. The guy to watch is a guy named Derwin James. Yeah...he was a FRESHMAN.

    Can he stop the run? I'd like evidence of this. I see a guy who flys up to the ball carrier, but arrives uncontrolled, high and rarely secures a 1 on 1 tackle. As for covering. I agree, but it depends on the coverage. His footwork in man leaves a lot to be desired and as I've said, in the tape I saw had plenty of safety help rolled his way.

    Physically he's gifted and seems like a solid character off the field. But you can't take my analysis, then come back with saying these things without quantifying them and just using generalizations. Especially if you're an FSU fan.

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