Who do you want at 8?
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I totally agree but I just have a hard time seeing Elliot getting past Dallas. They need him right now to go deep in the playoffs with a healthy Romo.
They can have him. Elliott is undoubtedly a talented player and will fit in pretty much any team and scheme. But we don't need that - we just need someone who can excel in our scheme.
We can pick up an Alfred Morris type much later and address areas that are harder to fill as the draft goes on.
We can pick up an Alfred Morris type much later and address areas that are harder to fill as the draft goes on.
Problem is who is that and will we be in a position to take them?
I love two Day 2 RBs that I think would not duplicate either of our tandem of Crow & Duke, LaTech's Dixon and Arkansas' Williams. But the former is a likely late 2nd/early 3rd and the latter a 3/4, and there are so many other players lining up for Day 2.
Any RBs you see falling to Day 3?
I wouldn't cry about it for sure, I just don't think it is the best use of resources. It'll certainly keep fans more engaged than, say, tunsil.
Well.... taking Tunsil then turning around and trading Joe for a R1 and change would certainly "engage the fans"...
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Now, if he's not there, than I think it's time to look at Bosa...even though I REALLY don't want him. According to our radio guys, and various other news reports, Bosa is better tailored to be a 4-3 DE. This is NOT to say that he can't learn the OLB position, but for immediate impact, I believe it's safe to say that he will be a situational player, and not an immediate starter. This is normal for many college pass rushers that make the transition to OLB in the pros.
Except for the fact that you are missing the obvious: Bosa would play DE in the 3-4, not OLB....and he would be fine doing so.
He is not a niche player.
Except for the fact that you are missing the obvious: Bosa would play DE in the 3-4, not OLB....and he would be fine doing so.
He is not a niche player.
I think he'd move back and forth in our system. There's absolutely nothing that Horton asks of Kruger that Bosa can't learn to do and probably do better. Bosa is a strict jack OLB'er.
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I'm starting to talk myself into Zeke Elliott, and it's starting to feel really good. What better way to protect your QB than to draft a RB that can do it all? I didn't watch too much of Zeke, but I'm pretty sure he's a 3 down back. We could also run some two back sets with him and Duke, and get a little creative. In a round about way, a powerful running back can also help the defense. If we can keep the ball on the ground, extend some drives, use some clock...then our defense gets to rest. I know it's a stretch, but it kind of makes a little sense, right? (I can talk myself into anything btw).
But guys, the more I read about the #8 pick, the more I'm almost CERTAIN that we're trading back once again. It appears to be either with the Dolphins at 13, or the QB needy Jets at 20. Obviously, #13 sounds infinitely better than 20, but I'd take either one at this point. I'd say a deal to move back is almost certain at this point. Oh, and want another? It would NOT surprise me to see us trade Joe Thomas on Day 1 too. Watch us trade him to someone like the Broncos for their late first round pick. IF that happens, we'll take Ronnie Stanley or Conklin with our first pick. I think it's about to get crazy next week, boys.
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I'm starting to talk myself into Zeke Elliott, and it's starting to feel really good. What better way to protect your QB than to draft a RB that can do it all? I didn't watch too much of Zeke, but I'm pretty sure he's a 3 down back. We could also run some two back sets with him and Duke, and get a little creative. In a round about way, a powerful running back can also help the defense. If we can keep the ball on the ground, extend some drives, use some clock...then our defense gets to rest. I know it's a stretch, but it kind of makes a little sense, right? (I can talk myself into anything btw).
But guys, the more I read about the #8 pick, the more I'm almost CERTAIN that we're trading back once again. It appears to be either with the Dolphins at 13, or the QB needy Jets at 20. Obviously, #13 sounds infinitely better than 20, but I'd take either one at this point. I'd say a deal to move back is almost certain at this point. Oh, and want another? It would NOT surprise me to see us trade Joe Thomas on Day 1 too. Watch us trade him to someone like the Broncos for their late first round pick. IF that happens, we'll take Ronnie Stanley or Conklin with our first pick. I think it's about to get crazy next week, boys.
(I can talk myself into anything btw).
But guys, the more I read about the #8 pick, the more I'm almost CERTAIN that we're trading back once again. It appears to be either with the Dolphins at 13, or the QB needy Jets at 20. Obviously, #13 sounds infinitely better than 20, but I'd take either one at this point. I'd say a deal to move back is almost certain at this point. Oh, and want another? It would NOT surprise me to see us trade Joe Thomas on Day 1 too. Watch us trade him to someone like the Broncos for their late first round pick. IF that happens, we'll take Ronnie Stanley or Conklin with our first pick. I think it's about to get crazy next week, boys.
Then stop talking...
Sashi said they think the guy they would have taken at #2 has a chance to be there at #8. If he's not, then the trade down is on...
Also agree on Thomas, but Lord, please not because we took Stanley or Conklin...
Side story: In one of the funnier moments of the Kiper-McShay Mock last evening, Todd accused Mel of have "a Conklin fettish".
EDIT: MMQB just mocked a trade down to 13 with Miami.
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Except for the fact that you are missing the obvious: Bosa would play DE in the 3-4, not OLB....and he would be fine doing so.
He is not a niche player.
I think he'd move back and forth in our system. There's absolutely nothing that Horton asks of Kruger that Bosa can't learn to do and probably do better. Bosa is a strict jack OLB'er.
I think he'd move back and forth in our system. There's absolutely nothing that Horton asks of Kruger that Bosa can't learn to do and probably do better. Bosa is a strict jack OLB'er.
That I agree with... but that is also not a very high bar.
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I think he'd move back and forth in our system. There's absolutely nothing that Horton asks of Kruger that Bosa can't learn to do and probably do better. Bosa is a strict jack OLB'er.
That I agree with... but that is also not a very high bar.
That I agree with... but that is also not a very high bar.
I don't get the angst about turning Bosa into a 3-4 OLB'er so long as the particular 3-4 scheme allows for that strong side hybrid and doesn't ask him to go out and track TE's or RB's. I think he'd do htat just fine. He'd probably be an even better run defender from the standup.
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My two absolute favorite guys are Jaylon Smith, linebacker from ND, and Myles Jack, linebacker from UCLA. Now damn our bad luck for them BOTH having severe knee injuries. Jack seems to be way better off than Smith, but can our franchise...the snake-bitten franchise from hell...really take a gamble on a bad knee? I just don't think so. Not UNLESS his medical re-check went PERFECT. We desperately need a badass, playmaking stud in the middle of our defense. Lord we need it.
My gut tells me we simply CAN'T gamble on an injured player. Not the Browns...not now. The more I start to look at the teams in front of us, the more I honestly believe DeForest Buckner will be our pick. He just feels like he fills such a big need. We need run stopping help, and pass rushing help. Generally 3-4 DE's aren't known for their sack numbers, but a few are. This guy Buckner fills up the stat sheet in all the right ways. Just makes so much sense. I love Ramsey, but he won't get past the Ravens...who are desperately in need of secondary help. Lord, I hate the Ravens, and they will get my favorite guy. Dammit.
My two absolute favorite guys are Jaylon Smith, linebacker from ND, and Myles Jack, linebacker from UCLA. Now damn our bad luck for them BOTH having severe knee injuries. Jack seems to be way better off than Smith, but can our franchise...the snake-bitten franchise from hell...really take a gamble on a bad knee? I just don't think so. Not UNLESS his medical re-check went PERFECT. We desperately need a badass, playmaking stud in the middle of our defense. Lord we need it.
My gut tells me we simply CAN'T gamble on an injured player. Not the Browns...not now. The more I start to look at the teams in front of us, the more I honestly believe DeForest Buckner will be our pick. He just feels like he fills such a big need. We need run stopping help, and pass rushing help. Generally 3-4 DE's aren't known for their sack numbers, but a few are. This guy Buckner fills up the stat sheet in all the right ways. Just makes so much sense. I love Ramsey, but he won't get past the Ravens...who are desperately in need of secondary help. Lord, I hate the Ravens, and they will get my favorite guy. Dammit.
I agree with you on both of them. Jack's injury seems minor, but Jaylon Smith may fall all the way down to day 3. Shades of Ifo. And regarding taking guys with college injuries, I still can't forget Hardly played Hardesty.
Regarding Buckner- I posted it elsewhere- he didn't do well on the wunderlic.
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(I can talk myself into anything btw).
But guys, the more I read about the #8 pick, the more I'm almost CERTAIN that we're trading back once again. It appears to be either with the Dolphins at 13, or the QB needy Jets at 20. Obviously, #13 sounds infinitely better than 20, but I'd take either one at this point. I'd say a deal to move back is almost certain at this point. Oh, and want another? It would NOT surprise me to see us trade Joe Thomas on Day 1 too. Watch us trade him to someone like the Broncos for their late first round pick. IF that happens, we'll take Ronnie Stanley or Conklin with our first pick. I think it's about to get crazy next week, boys.
Then stop talking...
Sashi said they think the guy they would have taken at #2 has a chance to be there at #8. If he's not, then the trade down is on...
Also agree on Thomas, but Lord, please not because we took Stanley or Conklin...
Side story: In one of the funnier moments of the Kiper-McShay Mock last evening, Todd accused Mel of have "a Conklin fettish".
EDIT: MMQB just mocked a trade down to 13 with Miami.
Then stop talking...
Sashi said they think the guy they would have taken at #2 has a chance to be there at #8. If he's not, then the trade down is on...
Also agree on Thomas, but Lord, please not because we took Stanley or Conklin...
Side story: In one of the funnier moments of the Kiper-McShay Mock last evening, Todd accused Mel of have "a Conklin fettish".
EDIT: MMQB just mocked a trade down to 13 with Miami.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/4/22/11486548/cleveland-browns-2016-nfl-draft-needs-trade
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- The Browns are reportedly considering Michigan State OT Jack Conklin with their No. 8 overall pick, according to Tony Pauline.
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My two absolute favorite guys are Jaylon Smith, linebacker from ND, and Myles Jack, linebacker from UCLA. Now damn our bad luck for them BOTH having severe knee injuries. Jack seems to be way better off than Smith, but can our franchise...the snake-bitten franchise from hell...really take a gamble on a bad knee? I just don't think so. Not UNLESS his medical re-check went PERFECT. We desperately need a badass, playmaking stud in the middle of our defense. Lord we need it.
My gut tells me we simply CAN'T gamble on an injured player. Not the Browns...not now. The more I start to look at the teams in front of us, the more I honestly believe DeForest Buckner will be our pick. He just feels like he fills such a big need. We need run stopping help, and pass rushing help. Generally 3-4 DE's aren't known for their sack numbers, but a few are. This guy Buckner fills up the stat sheet in all the right ways. Just makes so much sense. I love Ramsey, but he won't get past the Ravens...who are desperately in need of secondary help. Lord, I hate the Ravens, and they will get my favorite guy. Dammit.
I agree with you on both of them. Jack's injury seems minor, but Jaylon Smith may fall all the way down to day 3. Shades of Ifo. And regarding taking guys with college injuries, I still can't forget Hardly played Hardesty.
Regarding Buckner- I posted it elsewhere- he didn't do well on the wunderlic.
For Buckner not to do well in the wunderkind is that a big deal?I agree with you on both of them. Jack's injury seems minor, but Jaylon Smith may fall all the way down to day 3. Shades of Ifo. And regarding taking guys with college injuries, I still can't forget Hardly played Hardesty.
Regarding Buckner- I posted it elsewhere- he didn't do well on the wunderlic.
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There has been good players with alow test results
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Then stop talking...
Sashi said they think the guy they would have taken at #2 has a chance to be there at #8. If he's not, then the trade down is on...
Also agree on Thomas, but Lord, please not because we took Stanley or Conklin...
Side story: In one of the funnier moments of the Kiper-McShay Mock last evening, Todd accused Mel of have "a Conklin fettish".
EDIT: MMQB just mocked a trade down to 13 with Miami.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/4/22/11486548/cleveland-browns-2016-nfl-draft-needs-trade
Guess I need to watch some film on Kyle Murphy...
- The Browns are reportedly considering Michigan State OT Jack Conklin with their No. 8 overall pick, according to Tony Pauline..
Who is Tony Pauline?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Guess I need to watch some film on Kyle Murphy...
- The Browns are reportedly considering Michigan State OT Jack Conklin with their No. 8 overall pick, according to Tony Pauline..
Who is Tony Pauline?
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Guess I need to watch some film on Kyle Murphy...
- The Browns are reportedly considering Michigan State OT Jack Conklin with their No. 8 overall pick, according to Tony Pauline..
Who is Tony Pauline?
1. Guess I need to watch some film on Kyle Murphy...
2. Who is Tony Pauline?
2. Maybe the Victor Victoria of Walter football?
1. ... and so I did... Here's Mr. Murphy....
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=124489&draftyear=2016&genpos=OT
Against NW: no kick... no technique... waist bender who got ripped alot... moves well and gets to 2nd level, but cannot track/sustain blocks... slow to no reaction to stunts. Estimate about a -10 grade for the first half.
Against UCLA; Kicking pretty well.... Had help almost entire 1st Qtr, run and pass. Opposite was content to lay on him... no challenge. Q2 went solo and fared well.... Did meet Clark 1-on-1 once on a run and got mauled.
Against Cal: Same as UCLA, better tech, but not challenged by his opposite.
Bottom line: NW was 1st game of season so maybe KM improved, but maybe his NW opposite was a better player than UCLA or Cal had to offer. Hard to know...
Meanwhile.... How good is McCaffrey? Wow...
Also the NW game was not a complete loss as a potential UFA DE/OLB named Deonte Gibson played really well... gave Murphy fits. Gibson looked fast, strong and relentless... at least for one week.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=120081&draftyear=2016&genpos=DE
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
"Meanwhile.... How good is McCaffrey? Wow..."
There is a reason he will win the Heisman this coming year. If we are set for QB first next year, too bad. A very special player who makes his dad look mediocre (as a Bronco WR no less) in comparison.
Edit: For darren--Conklin at #8? Please God fire them all immediately if they do that with no trade down. They can take a decent ROT @ # 32.
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Who I want at 8 but there is little chance on some and no chance on others are: Buckner, Wentz, Goff, Tunsil, Ramsey, or Elliot. I would like to say Jack but like someone said earlier; we don't do well on health gambles. If we cannot get any of the above mentioned; I would like to trade back for more picks as well if possible because this draft is just not deep with top ten prospects. I am not saying there are not many that might turn out to be good or better. I am just saying the potential does not fit the pick.
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6 picks from #3 to us and (at least) 6 "elite" players. If the one left for us doesn't fit our system, trade back. Someone will pay a pretty penny for Bosa/Zeke.
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1. Guess I need to watch some film on Kyle Murphy...
2. Who is Tony Pauline?
2. Maybe the Victor Victoria of Walter football?
1. ... and so I did... Here's Mr. Murphy....
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=124489&draftyear=2016&genpos=OT
Against NW: no kick... no technique... waist bender who got ripped alot... moves well and gets to 2nd level, but cannot track/sustain blocks... slow to no reaction to stunts. Estimate about a -10 grade for the first half.
Against UCLA; Kicking pretty well.... Had help almost entire 1st Qtr, run and pass. Opposite was content to lay on him... no challenge. Q2 went solo and fared well.... Did meet Clark 1-on-1 once on a run and got mauled.
Against Cal: Same as UCLA, better tech, but not challenged by his opposite.
Bottom line: NW was 1st game of season so maybe KM improved, but maybe his NW opposite was a better player than UCLA or Cal had to offer. Hard to know...
Meanwhile.... How good is McCaffrey? Wow...
Also the NW game was not a complete loss as a potential UFA DE/OLB named Deonte Gibson played really well... gave Murphy fits. Gibson looked fast, strong and relentless... at least for one week.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=120081&draftyear=2016&genpos=DE
Also the NW game was not a complete loss as a potential UFA DE/OLB named Deonte Gibson played really well... gave Murphy fits. Gibson looked fast, strong and relentless... at least for one week.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=120081&draftyear=2016&genpos=DE
Reading that info, it sounds like he had a monster game against Wisconsin.
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My two absolute favorite guys are Jaylon Smith, linebacker from ND, and Myles Jack, linebacker from UCLA. Now damn our bad luck for them BOTH having severe knee injuries. Jack seems to be way better off than Smith, but can our franchise...the snake-bitten franchise from hell...really take a gamble on a bad knee? I just don't think so. Not UNLESS his medical re-check went PERFECT. We desperately need a badass, playmaking stud in the middle of our defense. Lord we need it.
My gut tells me we simply CAN'T gamble on an injured player. Not the Browns...not now. The more I start to look at the teams in front of us, the more I honestly believe DeForest Buckner will be our pick. He just feels like he fills such a big need. We need run stopping help, and pass rushing help. Generally 3-4 DE's aren't known for their sack numbers, but a few are. This guy Buckner fills up the stat sheet in all the right ways. Just makes so much sense. I love Ramsey, but he won't get past the Ravens...who are desperately in need of secondary help. Lord, I hate the Ravens, and they will get my favorite guy. Dammit.
I agree with you on both of them. Jack's injury seems minor, but Jaylon Smith may fall all the way down to day 3. Shades of Ifo. And regarding taking guys with college injuries, I still can't forget Hardly played Hardesty.
Regarding Buckner- I posted it elsewhere- he didn't do well on the wunderlic.
I agree with you on both of them. Jack's injury seems minor, but Jaylon Smith may fall all the way down to day 3. Shades of Ifo. And regarding taking guys with college injuries, I still can't forget Hardly played Hardesty.
Regarding Buckner- I posted it elsewhere- he didn't do well on the wunderlic.
When Gipper asked us to list who we would want at #4 overall before our official trade back. I prematurely listed Jack while stating I didn't know Jack. That was before I saw some highlights of Jack doing on the field drills and he was really favoring the knee in one of the drills he had to change direction in while almost falling twice. Pre-injury, an unparalleled change of direction/agility in tandem with ideal instincts is what separated him from others at the position. If post-injury removes 50% of that, 8 might be too risky for a team that cannot afford to mess up any more 1st round picks.
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