Emmanuel Ogbah
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Ogbah was awesome during Sr. Bowl practices... but not in the game.
He was awesome in a couple games (or so I've heard), but the cut-downs I saw not so much. If a coach can find his "kill switch" and remove it, then maybe he works out.
Nassib? Just the opposite. All motor... but he lacks Ogbah's physical gifts... which can't be taught.
Dunno maybe we can mate them...
Or maybe we are going to a 4-3...
Beats the fuck outta me...
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Has nothing to do with losing weight. They drafted Horton guysSo why not just take a guy or two that actually have played OLB? Now we're counting on two guys to shed 15 pounds and learn new positions. It's odd.
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And doing what with them?
260 lb LBs across the field?
An Indy-style, undersized, 3-4 D from the 2000's?
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First impressions from what I'm watching..
- He doesn't have the dip and bend ability to get under a tackle and consistently turn the corner
- Rarely uses his hands
- No counter move to speak of
- No setup move either
- Don't see the lateral agility to move to OLB
The good.
- Long arms
- Good burst and get off
- Decent strength
- Good awareness stacking and shedding to the ball carrier
I don't see the transition to backer going well without losing 10-15 pounds.
I still believe this team would have been better served by going Lawson, trading down, taking Michael Thomas then working from there. This kid is Krugers replacement in time, I feel Lawson was more naturally suited and already had reps at a similar SOLB spot.
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And doing what with them?
260 lb LBs across the field?
An Indy-style, undersized, 3-4 D from the 2000's?
And doing what with them?
260 lb LBs across the field?
An Indy-style, undersized, 3-4 D from the 2000's?
I'd like to point out that Indy style defense was great when Peyton and Co. put up points but when the Patriots and Chargers were patient enough to run the ball - that defense had zero answer.
edit: Nassib is going to the 5tech. That simple.
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First impressions from what I'm watching..
- He doesn't have the dip and bend ability to get under a tackle and consistently turn the corner
- Rarely uses his hands
- No counter move to speak of
- No setup move either
- Don't see the lateral agility to move to OLB
The good.
- Long arms
- Good burst and get off
- Decent strength
- Good awareness stacking and shedding to the ball carrier
I don't see the transition to backer going well without losing 10-15 pounds.
I still believe this team would have been better served by going Lawson, trading down, taking Michael Thomas then working from there. This kid is Krugers replacement in time, I feel Lawson was more naturally suited and already had reps at a similar SOLB spot.
First impressions from what I'm watching..
- He doesn't have the dip and bend ability to get under a tackle and consistently turn the corner
- Don't see the lateral agility to move to OLB
So a tweener?
I'd like to point out that Indy style defense was great when Peyton and Co. put up points but when the Patriots and Chargers were patient enough to run the ball - that defense had zero answer.
edit: Nassib is going to the 5tech. That simple.
What's a "tech"?
I'd like to point out that I did not say Indy's style worked. It had it's moments (mostly when Bob Sanders was healthy) when they had a healthy lead, but more often, it did not pan out.
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First impressions from what I'm watching..
- He doesn't have the dip and bend ability to get under a tackle and consistently turn the corner
- Don't see the lateral agility to move to OLB
So a tweener?
I'd like to point out that Indy style defense was great when Peyton and Co. put up points but when the Patriots and Chargers were patient enough to run the ball - that defense had zero answer.
edit: Nassib is going to the 5tech. That simple.
What's a "tech"?
I'd like to point out that I did not say Indy's style worked. It had it's moments (mostly when Bob Sanders was healthy) when they had a healthy lead, but more often, it did not pan out.
So a tweener?
What's a "tech"?
I'd like to point out that I did not say Indy's style worked. It had it's moments (mostly when Bob Sanders was healthy) when they had a healthy lead, but more often, it did not pan out.
I was just enforcing the point that the Colts defense was built to rush the passer and play with a lead. When that wasn't the case they were taken to task for it.
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That's a defense which wasn't "built" at all. They had DE's and played prevent behind it.. Feel the innovation.
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The Browns had Ogbah as a first round talent. Both the de's they drafted could
be coached up, and really make a difference in the pass rush.
Nice picks.
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First that Indy d we're speaking of was a 4-3 with freeney and Mathis as the de's. The philosophy was stopping the run on the way to the qb.
In any case, I agree Lawson was the pick I'd we weren't gonna take spence. Don't know why we didn't take spence if we were targeting nassib in the 3rd.
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Of all the teams that didn't take Spence I am sure the drafters of Manziel and Gordon don't need to explain why
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Is he good? Hell yes he's good...but can he be great?? That's the question. Scouts like to talk about how Ogbah got stonewalled by Tunsil, but NOBODY has said one word about how Ogbah blew up against my Florida State Seminoles. Yeah...like 3 sacks on Jameis Winston (maybe you heard of him) and not to mention basically EVERYONE on that line got drafted into NFL. Oh, and he had a pass deflection or two in the same game. He's good, just needs to maintain his motor like Nassib does. Ogbah is 6'4 and 274 pounds. He runs a 4.67 40 (not a typo) and has strong hands that people don't shake out of. Combine him with Orchard and Kruger, and we have a nice little rotation. And Nassib might be better than all of them getting to the qb.
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We needed more competition at OLB; so, this might help. We just have to wait and see how he turns out now in the NFL.
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Not feeling Ogbah at OLB... not at all...
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Who did all you guys want? A guy with major drug issues or one of two guys who may never recover from knee injuries? Stop complaining about everything. It's the second round. Not everyone is Joey Bosa.
Who did all you guys want? A guy with major drug issues or one of two guys who may never recover from knee injuries? Stop complaining about everything. It's the second round. Not everyone is Joey Bosa.
Exactly. None of us are going to know how good this kid or this draft is until midway through the season.
WE have a head coach who wanted to come HERE, of all places. We hate to admit it, but this has been a dungeon/graveyard for years. Give Hue, Horton, Pep some time.
I'm 53, seen just about everything except a Super Bowl. It sucks to wait but I'm willing NOW because we look like we have a plan. Now if only Haslam can be patient, we'll all be happy here.
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Im not sold on this one only because Im not a fan of the Browns always drafted DE's and calling them OLB's....Ogbah looks like he'll be another rush only one dimensional Kruger type of backer....and I really wanted a 3 down, stay on the field, I rush, I cover, I play the run type of OLB....
Id rather seem him strap on a few pounds and play DE, along with Nassib and try to develop Schobert, Orchard, Mingo, Kirksey etc as the OLB's......
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Not feeling Ogbah at OLB... not at all...
I think he might be able to be Kruger -esque. But it's going to take a long while. I don't expect double digit sacks from him... probably ever. 6-8 and hopefully a force against the run. If he can do that in a year or two ill consider it a home run.
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Im not sold on this one only because Im not a fan of the Browns always drafted DE's and calling them OLB's....Ogbah looks like he'll be another rush only one dimensional Kruger type of backer....and I really wanted a 3 down, stay on the field, I rush, I cover, I play the run type of OLB....
Id rather seem him strap on a few pounds and play DE, along with Nassib and try to develop Schobert, Orchard, Mingo, Kirksey etc as the OLB's......
Im not sold on this one only because Im not a fan of the Browns always drafted DE's and calling them OLB's....Ogbah looks like he'll be another rush only one dimensional Kruger type of backer....and I really wanted a 3 down, stay on the field, I rush, I cover, I play the run type of OLB....
Id rather seem him strap on a few pounds and play DE, along with Nassib and try to develop Schobert, Orchard, Mingo, Kirksey etc as the OLB's......
I agree with this. However, the guys we have, while supposedly being pass rush specialists, suck at pass rushing in real life. So if Ogbah can just pass rush well, he's already an improvement. Lol
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