Bye to Edwards and Quinn? RUMOR
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If this happens, I really, really doubt that we'd use the draft picks to get Quinn's replacement. You guys have got to look on the other hand from Mangini's point of view. It appears to me that he does not think Quinn is a clear upgrade over DA. If we get some first round picks, I highly doubt any of em would be used on the QB position. If anything we'll trade down and use those picks to get a QB. There are other, more pressing needs, even if Quinn is gone.
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I tend to think we'd have to get multiple picks out of Quinn. Considering he has some NFL experience and grades higher than Sanchez, I'd think we'd want a first and 2nd for him.
Same for Edwards. Considering where he was picked and what we know he is capable of.
IMO, trading Quinn would be dumb - we'll be set back at LEAST 2 years (this and next), maybe more, as we wait for a rookie QB to develop. There's not waiting with Quinn - you can put him out there this year and see if he has what it takes or not. If he doesn't have it, you were going to draft a QB next year anyway.
If Edwards gets traded, too and DA is our QB, we're REALLY screwed - DA will have NOONE who can catch his errant 10 foot high passes - he's already lost Winslow, who was pretty much the only guy who could handle being led into Ray-freaking Lewis to try and make a catch.
If Quinn and Edwards go, we have a VERY real shot at being 0-16 next year with DA at the helm. With no deep receiving threats and a QB who can't hit the ground from 10 yards in, the offense will continue to suck.
Oh well, at least we'll have our pick of the QB litter, even though none of them may want to play for franchise noted for jerking it's guys around.
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I personally don't see him far and away the better QB than Derek Anderson. He could be... But I just haven't seen it. Obviously if we trade him away, that makes DA our guy this year. I just want more picks to shore up the holes elsewhere on the team, especially on defense.
I personally don't see him far and away the better QB than Derek Anderson. He could be... But I just haven't seen it. Obviously if we trade him away, that makes DA our guy this year. I just want more picks to shore up the holes elsewhere on the team, especially on defense.
But we don't know if he is or not, he has not had a chance to prove it one way or another, unless you are one of the idiots that think 3 games is enough. Course DA got like 8 times that many starts and people still want to give him more. (if we did not have Quinn on the bench, I would be somewhat ok with giving DA one more year, but we do have Quinn so I want to know weather he is a Porsche, or a Kia before we get rid of him.) If there were a true upgrade in the draft over Quinn then I would say sure lets roll.
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If this happens, I really, really doubt that we'd use the draft picks to get Quinn's replacement. You guys have got to look on the other hand from Mangini's point of view. It appears to me that he does not think Quinn is a clear upgrade over DA. If we get some first round picks, I highly doubt any of em would be used on the QB position. If anything we'll trade down and use those picks to get a QB. There are other, more pressing needs, even if Quinn is gone.
If this happens, I really, really doubt that we'd use the draft picks to get Quinn's replacement. You guys have got to look on the other hand from Mangini's point of view. It appears to me that he does not think Quinn is a clear upgrade over DA. If we get some first round picks, I highly doubt any of em would be used on the QB position. If anything we'll trade down and use those picks to get a QB. There are other, more pressing needs, even if Quinn is gone.
The problem with your statement is that Mangini hasn't indicated anything at all as far as the QBs are concerned. It could very well be that Quinn is the only one drawing interest from teams. Mangini might think DA is much worse but can't be traded for anything of value. He may very well be thinking of getting his own QB, and Quinn is the only one he can get picks for. Or, your view may be right. None of us know because Mankok has yet to reveal anything. Its all speculation by us, by the media, by the experts.
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There is another possibility that I didn't mention in my previous post - DA isn't the starter because Favre signs with us for 1 or 2 years.
I swear if Brett Favre is our QB next season, I'll root against CLE until he is gone. I can't stand the guy after the way he jerked GB around.
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There is another possibility that I didn't mention in my previous post - DA isn't the starter because Favre signs with us for 1 or 2 years.
I swear if Brett Favre is our QB next season, I'll root against CLE until he is gone. I can't stand the guy after the way he jerked GB around.
There is another possibility that I didn't mention in my previous post - DA isn't the starter because Favre signs with us for 1 or 2 years.
I swear if Brett Favre is our QB next season, I'll root against CLE until he is gone. I can't stand the guy after the way he jerked GB around.
Don't the Jets still hold the rights to Favre? I don't see him being here to play, if he even comes around the camp as has been reported.
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Again no mention of DA in any rumor, no matter how mild the rumor is. There just isn't ANY demand for that guy, especially since we have the idea a 6th round/33rd NFL ranked QB is worth a day 1 pick. We're plain stuck with him. Sigh...
We may not know much about Quinn, but we know less about the QB's in the draft (since they have less years in college than Quinn have not been in the NFL at all).
I have to wonder why another team would give up a first round draft pick to us for a first round draft pick QB. I wonder even more why they'd give up a first and an additional pick.
Shenanigans. Just more Mangini cat-and-mouse.
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There is another possibility that I didn't mention in my previous post - DA isn't the starter because Favre signs with us for 1 or 2 years.
I swear if Brett Favre is our QB next season, I'll root against CLE until he is gone. I can't stand the guy after the way he jerked GB around.
There is another possibility that I didn't mention in my previous post - DA isn't the starter because Favre signs with us for 1 or 2 years.
I swear if Brett Favre is our QB next season, I'll root against CLE until he is gone. I can't stand the guy after the way he jerked GB around.
BRETT FARVE is clearly the best QB if he's on our current roster
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Again no mention of DA in any rumor, no matter how mild the rumor is. There just isn't ANY demand for that guy, especially since we have the idea a 6th round/33rd NFL ranked QB is worth a day 1 pick. We're plain stuck with him. Sigh...
We may not know much about Quinn, but we know less about the QB's in the draft (since they have less years in college than Quinn have not been in the NFL at all).
I have to wonder why another team would give up a first round draft pick to us for a first round draft pick QB. I wonder even more why they'd give up a first and an additional pick.
Shenanigans. Just more Mangini cat-and-mouse.
Again no mention of DA in any rumor, no matter how mild the rumor is. There just isn't ANY demand for that guy, especially since we have the idea a 6th round/33rd NFL ranked QB is worth a day 1 pick. We're plain stuck with him. Sigh...
We may not know much about Quinn, but we know less about the QB's in the draft (since they have less years in college than Quinn have not been in the NFL at all).
I have to wonder why another team would give up a first round draft pick to us for a first round draft pick QB. I wonder even more why they'd give up a first and an additional pick.
Shenanigans. Just more Mangini cat-and-mouse.
This is such flawed conclusion because you dont have any sort of information that you should draw this conclusion. You dont know if Mangini has told teams that DA is off limits or even what he has positioned himself one way or the other regarding either qb's.
You have NO idea about demand or information about either guy, how you can draw conclusions without any information is beyond me. Get over you BQ love and deal with reality.
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Again no mention of DA in any rumor, no matter how mild the rumor is. There just isn't ANY demand for that guy, especially since we have the idea a 6th round/33rd NFL ranked QB is worth a day 1 pick. We're plain stuck with him. Sigh...
We may not know much about Quinn, but we know less about the QB's in the draft (since they have less years in college than Quinn have not been in the NFL at all).
I have to wonder why another team would give up a first round draft pick to us for a first round draft pick QB. I wonder even more why they'd give up a first and an additional pick.
Shenanigans. Just more Mangini cat-and-mouse.
This is such flawed conclusion because you dont have any sort of information that you should draw this conclusion. You dont know if Mangini has told teams that DA is off limits or even what he has positioned himself one way or the other regarding either qb's.
You have NO idea about demand or information about either guy, how you can draw conclusions without any information is beyond me. Get over you BQ love and deal with reality.
This is such flawed conclusion because you dont have any sort of information that you should draw this conclusion. You dont know if Mangini has told teams that DA is off limits or even what he has positioned himself one way or the other regarding either qb's.
You have NO idea about demand or information about either guy, how you can draw conclusions without any information is beyond me. Get over you BQ love and deal with reality.
Isn't it Mankok that said everyone except JT and D'Qwell is tradeable? Pretty much sounds like the ONLY word out of the FO does make DA available, and still no rumors of anyone wanting him.
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Quinn for another first, yey. one for one isnt too bad, but we all know that Quinn will haunt us till he retires. As for Edwards for a 1st, ney, there better be at least a 3rd thrown in there. As for DA we are just not going to get anything or him by trade. If we have 3 1st round picks we will 100% try and get out of the #5 hole to save some dough. Who really knows anyway wtf is going on, I will believe this shit when i see it. I have been a fan for a long time and i can remember only 1 season i felt good about this team.
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Sorry I don't see Quinn going anywhere! And I don't see any real upgrades in the draft over him either.
Sorry I don't see Quinn going anywhere! And I don't see any real upgrades in the draft over him either.
Ugh. You remind me of that scene in Dumb & Dumber where Harry and Lloyd are arguing over whether or not you can triple stamp a double stamp. It just seems like 75% of the people here just close their eyes, plug their ears and say nyah nyah nyah i'm not listening, whenever they hear that Brady COULD be traded away.
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Sorry I don't see Quinn going anywhere! And I don't see any real upgrades in the draft over him either.
Ugh. You remind me of that scene in Dumb & Dumber where Harry and Lloyd are arguing over whether or not you can triple stamp a double stamp. It just seems like 75% of the people here just close their eyes, plug their ears and say nyah nyah nyah i'm not listening, whenever they hear that Brady COULD be traded away.
Ugh. You remind me of that scene in Dumb & Dumber where Harry and Lloyd are arguing over whether or not you can triple stamp a double stamp. It just seems like 75% of the people here just close their eyes, plug their ears and say nyah nyah nyah i'm not listening, whenever they hear that Brady COULD be traded away.
Whatever, think what you like, I was merely saying what I think of all the rumors, don't like it tough sheit. Fact is I don't think Brady is going anywhere, not because I am a Brady homer (I am not, I am a Browns Homer) I just think that he won't be going anywhere.
Because I don't agree with you, you think you need to try and put me down, well you may want to try better then that lame attempt.
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Meh, sorry, was uncalled for. Shouldn't have been directed at you. I'm still salty from all the Brady homers jumping on my ass for trying to bring up a debate over the two a few weeks ago.
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Meh, sorry, was uncalled for. Shouldn't have been directed at you. I'm still salty from all the Brady homers jumping on my ass for trying to bring up a debate over the two a few weeks ago.
Meh, sorry, was uncalled for. Shouldn't have been directed at you. I'm still salty from all the Brady homers jumping on my ass for trying to bring up a debate over the two a few weeks ago.
The brady homers are still stinging from their annointed savior not playing well last year or starting with our crummy team. DA had all kinds of rumours and trade possibility for the last two years and now suddenly he sucks because quinn has trade rumours swirling. Makes perfect sense.
I dont care if either gets traded as long as the return value is good personally. ANYTHING helping the core of our problems... linebackers/safety/right side of the oline/fresh legs at running back or REAL quality consistent recievers is all I care about.
If BQ is slinging the ball AFTER we get hopefully some of those things addressed or DA or some other guy I really dont care.
Untill those things are addressed seriously either of those guys or some new guy is going to have issues. BRING ON THE DRAFT and makes some moves!!!!
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If the Browns trade Brady it will not be because they think that DA is the answer it will be because the Browns don't think DA or BQ are the answer. They will draft Defense and build that way. Next season is when the Browns would draft a QB, much deeper QB draft. If DA starts and plays even ok then they can trade him nexy season because then hopefully he would have some value.
If you ask me (and you didn't) I think that the Browns are trying to build the team from the ground up. They seem to think that only a few pieces are in place and are willing to trade anybody that they do not feel is a piece of the puzzle. Obviously they are not desperate to trade BQ, but if the right trade comes along then they seem to be more than willing to trade him. Maybe they have thier eyes on a late round backup QB to be a backup and looking at a franchise QB next season.
And just because I do not think that the Browns are sold on BQ does not mean that they are sold on DA. I think if they could get value for DA they would trade him also. Seems to me that if the right situation comes along that the Browns do not feel either QB is the answer. But, if BQ is here then I do believe he will get his chance to start.
Either way I do not really see a great win loss season this year. I hope to see the defense improve and if the Browns do indeed get that many draft picks then I most certainly hope that the front office is good at talent evaluation. I am looking at 6 wins and hopefully being in most of the games. Draft a QB next season and shore up the offense. Use this year for the defense and a late round RB.
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Sorry I don't see Quinn going anywhere! And I don't see any real upgrades in the draft over him either.
Ugh. You remind me of that scene in Dumb & Dumber where Harry and Lloyd are arguing over whether or not you can triple stamp a double stamp. It just seems like 75% of the people here just close their eyes, plug their ears and say nyah nyah nyah i'm not listening, whenever they hear that Brady COULD be traded away.
Ugh. You remind me of that scene in Dumb & Dumber where Harry and Lloyd are arguing over whether or not you can triple stamp a double stamp. It just seems like 75% of the people here just close their eyes, plug their ears and say nyah nyah nyah i'm not listening, whenever they hear that Brady COULD be traded away.
This is a bunch of bullshit. Every week or so one of you guys come out grouping the whole board together as a bunch of Queen Queers. Most of the main posters on here have pretty much unilaterally made their opinions known on the subject of DA and Quinn for well over a year. Most of us wanted DA moved last year and now look what we have. A 6'6 scattershot QB with no pocket presence or trade ability. Meanwhile, we've been sitting on a guy we spent a first and second round pick on who tore it up at ND the last time they were even competitive.
He's shown nothing but promise and kicked ass his first start out the gate before getting hurt. Unless they can get a major haul from trading Quinn it would be totally stupid to give him up for just a first rounder. At that point we're starting over again at QB and probably left watching the Doofus from Scapoosus again since he's worth a bag of stale chips now. Meanwhile, Leftwich just signed so backups are disappearing just like they did last year while the Browns sat around and ended up giving DA money and a job assuring Quinn he'd be holding a clipboard again.
To trade Quinn now and end with Dexter at QB when they could have had even more for DA last year than what they would get for Quinn is just rubbing salt in our wounds and punching us in the balls. I don't know how much more of it I could take.
There is absolutely no way Mancock has a clue as to what Quinn can do and nobody.....nobody knows whether or not they actually like him or not. I'm not sure they know whether they like him or not, nor should they know yet.
To put it bluntly, any guys like Sev and Lumtucky who still cling to DA are losers, plain and simple. Flat out losers.
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I think we are stupid trading either one of them. Stars in the rising are not who you trade. Especially after Mangini drooled all over Earnest Gholston last year BUST). He was to be the Jets saviour at pass rushing... didn't even come close.. I'd rather keep our future stars.. than trade them for maybe's.. Gholston had Zero sacks and Zero starts for the Jets last year.
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I think we are stupid trading either one of them. Stars in the rising are not who you trade. Especially after Mangini drooled all over Earnest Gholston last year BUST). He was to be the Jets saviour at pass rushing... didn't even come close.. I'd rather keep our future stars.. than trade them for maybe's.. Gholston had Zero sacks and Zero starts for the Jets last year.
I think we are stupid trading either one of them. Stars in the rising are not who you trade. Especially after Mangini drooled all over Earnest Gholston last year BUST). He was to be the Jets saviour at pass rushing... didn't even come close.. I'd rather keep our future stars.. than trade them for maybe's.. Gholston had Zero sacks and Zero starts for the Jets last year.
Hopefully he learned that all great college DEs don't make great 3-4 OLBers. That's what scares me about Orakpo at #5. There's great value in DEs that project to OLB in 3-4 schemes at #36. If they would fail (like Wimbley) yu wouldn't be paying some backup $30 million, which is what Orakpo would be getting.
Quinn isn't going anywhere. I think Edwards is still a question.
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