New beginnings - Danny Shelton
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I feel a pat on the back will be in order for all the Danny and Orchard fans after the season.
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I'm very interested in seeing some of our second year players, especially Shelton. He's healthy, in great shape, and always has been a hard worker. Hopefully, we have some coaches now that can maximize what he excels at. He needs to keep his pads low and occupy as much space as possible.
I'm also eager to see Orchard and Xavier Cooper. Sometimes players can make large talent leaps from their rookie years, and that's how these things called "playmakers" are born. Players you draft get better, and some get really good. It's time we had a few of those.
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I'm very interested in seeing some of our second year players, especially Shelton. He's healthy, in great shape, and always has been a hard worker. Hopefully, we have some coaches now that can maximize what he excels at. He needs to keep his pads low and occupy as much space as possible.
I'm also eager to see Orchard and Xavier Cooper. Sometimes players can make large talent leaps from their rookie years, and that's how these things called "playmakers" are born. Players you draft get better, and some get really good. It's time we had a few of those.
I'm very interested in seeing some of our second year players, especially Shelton. He's healthy, in great shape, and always has been a hard worker.
Sorry, he may be in great shape if he were playing OG maybe, but he still looks out of shape for a DL. I will be impressed when I see a player capable of staying on the field through a whole series, series after series. Until then it;'s just another fluff piece. Match the effort of JJ Watt down after down with rare breaks and I will be even more impressed. Right now I think I could stay out of his way and wear him out in 10 rounds of boxing.
EDIT: I have the perfect Browns nickname for him too, Two Down Danny.
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Hehe, I honestly see where you're coming from, but I honestly think that for his "body style", he's in good shape. Should he be down a few pounds? Eh, probably, but he's an Inslander. Those guys are freaks of nature, and I heard on the radio that Danny is around 350, and they want him at 335. 15 pounds is nothing to these guys, and it's pretty obvious that Danny isn't feasting on pineapple upside down cake and sitting on his ass. He's working, and working hard. I think he has a legitimate chance at being a valuable starter on our defense. Do I see him as being a game changer? No, I really don't, but I'd love to see him clog things up and get some penetration. He can be a disruptor. He's a high character guy, and he's going to turn it on this year.
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I think Shelton in a couple years will be considered one of the best NT/DT's in the league. Mark it down.
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Still looks like a fat ass OL to me. Was nothing special last year. Over hyped. Hope he turns out, but I doubt it.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Gotta produce, can't simply talk about it or work hard.
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Can't think of the last time I saw any rookie Nose come in and be "special". Not even Wilfork. It's a position where it just doesn't happen.
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I'm very interested in seeing some of our second year players, especially Shelton. He's healthy, in great shape, and always has been a hard worker.
Sorry, he may be in great shape if he were playing OG maybe, but he still looks out of shape for a DL. I will be impressed when I see a player capable of staying on the field through a whole series, series after series. Until then it;'s just another fluff piece. Match the effort of JJ Watt down after down with rare breaks and I will be even more impressed. Right now I think I could stay out of his way and wear him out in 10 rounds of boxing.
EDIT: I have the perfect Browns nickname for him too, Two Down Danny.
Sorry, he may be in great shape if he were playing OG maybe, but he still looks out of shape for a DL. I will be impressed when I see a player capable of staying on the field through a whole series, series after series. Until then it;'s just another fluff piece. Match the effort of JJ Watt down after down with rare breaks and I will be even more impressed. Right now I think I could stay out of his way and wear him out in 10 rounds of boxing.
EDIT: I have the perfect Browns nickname for him too, Two Down Danny.
Aggies, you should have added this to the end of your edit: "Trust me - don't trust me!" In college, Danny weighed more than he did here and stayed on the field as an every down defender a high percentage of the time. He was a pretty popular draft prospect in here months before we drafted him.
In Cleveland, the coaching staff preferred to see their big defensive linemen sprinting from the sideline to the 3 point stance prior to the snap not too long after they just had to sprint off the field. They were constantly taking their big guys on and off the field, which seems like an exact opposite to getting fresh legs and a full tank of O2. I noticed this before Shelton even arrived when we beat TN in Nashville in 2014. The TV cameras don't always pick up the influx of players leaving and returning to the field in between plays. When you're up in the stands at the game - it jumps out at you. Do you know what got them fresher legs as we erased a 28-3 deficit? Long sustained drives on the ground by the offense on a day Ben Tate would rush for 124 yards on 22 carries at 5.6 yards per carry (without any runs longer than 15 yards).
While I understand, there's different situations/packages for DBs and LBers - I never cozied up to sprinting our big guys on and off the field every other play. I can't imagine sprinting anyone with a 330-360 pound frame from the sideline to our own 2 yard line to face a double team involving Nick Mangold is as easy on the legs and oxygen as just remaining out there for the entire series/drive. Again, the film showed Danny Shelton excelled at staying on the field which seemed to be a big reason for the intrigue to draft him at #12 overall. He's a guy that gets better with the flow of the game just like a lot of players. A lot of times you'll see players that are tired get really sloppy with how high they come out of their stances/pad height. Asking the wide bodied DTs to do about a 30-40 yard wind sprint after they just sprinted off the field to hurry back into a 3 point stance (out of breath) to face a double team can lead to the mental fatigue conducive to sloppier pad heights. Much of this was unnecessary if they just opted to re-examine their substitution frequency/process IMO. I never noticed all the frequent mass substitutions up front helping us shed blockers easier, tackle better, or improve us at hurrying passers. I'm guessing neither did our opponents which partially explains why most of our opponents didn't want to no huddle us. Tiring out our big fellers with 2 wind sprints between 3 point stances was too helpful for them to turn down.
We never won any games by outsmarting our opponents in 2015 but we sure did outsmart ourselves a lot.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
and that, from Mr. Flugels, is one of the best posts I'll ever read on the subject. Taking Shelton and co. on and off the field,
was really ignorant. I suppose they had some kind of reason to decide stupidly, but it didn't work, and I'm
still wondering how the )(*&^(*^ they thought it was ever a good idea.
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Sorry, he may be in great shape if he were playing OG maybe, but he still looks out of shape for a DL. I will be impressed when I see a player capable of staying on the field through a whole series, series after series. Until then it;'s just another fluff piece. Match the effort of JJ Watt down after down with rare breaks and I will be even more impressed. Right now I think I could stay out of his way and wear him out in 10 rounds of boxing.
EDIT: I have the perfect Browns nickname for him too, Two Down Danny.
Aggies, you should have added this to the end of your edit: "Trust me - don't trust me!" In college, Danny weighed more than he did here and stayed on the field as an every down defender a high percentage of the time. He was a pretty popular draft prospect in here months before we drafted him.
In Cleveland, the coaching staff preferred to see their big defensive linemen sprinting from the sideline to the 3 point stance prior to the snap not too long after they just had to sprint off the field. They were constantly taking their big guys on and off the field, which seems like an exact opposite to getting fresh legs and a full tank of O2. I noticed this before Shelton even arrived when we beat TN in Nashville in 2014. The TV cameras don't always pick up the influx of players leaving and returning to the field in between plays. When you're up in the stands at the game - it jumps out at you. Do you know what got them fresher legs as we erased a 28-3 deficit? Long sustained drives on the ground by the offense on a day Ben Tate would rush for 124 yards on 22 carries at 5.6 yards per carry (without any runs longer than 15 yards).
While I understand, there's different situations/packages for DBs and LBers - I never cozied up to sprinting our big guys on and off the field every other play. I can't imagine sprinting anyone with a 330-360 pound frame from the sideline to our own 2 yard line to face a double team involving Nick Mangold is as easy on the legs and oxygen as just remaining out there for the entire series/drive. Again, the film showed Danny Shelton excelled at staying on the field which seemed to be a big reason for the intrigue to draft him at #12 overall. He's a guy that gets better with the flow of the game just like a lot of players. A lot of times you'll see players that are tired get really sloppy with how high they come out of their stances/pad height. Asking the wide bodied DTs to do about a 30-40 yard wind sprint after they just sprinted off the field to hurry back into a 3 point stance (out of breath) to face a double team can lead to the mental fatigue conducive to sloppier pad heights. Much of this was unnecessary if they just opted to re-examine their substitution frequency/process IMO. I never noticed all the frequent mass substitutions up front helping us shed blockers easier, tackle better, or improve us at hurrying passers. I'm guessing neither did our opponents which partially explains why most of our opponents didn't want to no huddle us. Tiring out our big fellers with 2 wind sprints between 3 point stances was too helpful for them to turn down.
We never won any games by outsmarting our opponents in 2015 but we sure did outsmart ourselves a lot.
Aggies, you should have added this to the end of your edit: "Trust me - don't trust me!" In college, Danny weighed more than he did here and stayed on the field as an every down defender a high percentage of the time. He was a pretty popular draft prospect in here months before we drafted him.
In Cleveland, the coaching staff preferred to see their big defensive linemen sprinting from the sideline to the 3 point stance prior to the snap not too long after they just had to sprint off the field. They were constantly taking their big guys on and off the field, which seems like an exact opposite to getting fresh legs and a full tank of O2. I noticed this before Shelton even arrived when we beat TN in Nashville in 2014. The TV cameras don't always pick up the influx of players leaving and returning to the field in between plays. When you're up in the stands at the game - it jumps out at you. Do you know what got them fresher legs as we erased a 28-3 deficit? Long sustained drives on the ground by the offense on a day Ben Tate would rush for 124 yards on 22 carries at 5.6 yards per carry (without any runs longer than 15 yards).
While I understand, there's different situations/packages for DBs and LBers - I never cozied up to sprinting our big guys on and off the field every other play. I can't imagine sprinting anyone with a 330-360 pound frame from the sideline to our own 2 yard line to face a double team involving Nick Mangold is as easy on the legs and oxygen as just remaining out there for the entire series/drive. Again, the film showed Danny Shelton excelled at staying on the field which seemed to be a big reason for the intrigue to draft him at #12 overall. He's a guy that gets better with the flow of the game just like a lot of players. A lot of times you'll see players that are tired get really sloppy with how high they come out of their stances/pad height. Asking the wide bodied DTs to do about a 30-40 yard wind sprint after they just sprinted off the field to hurry back into a 3 point stance (out of breath) to face a double team can lead to the mental fatigue conducive to sloppier pad heights. Much of this was unnecessary if they just opted to re-examine their substitution frequency/process IMO. I never noticed all the frequent mass substitutions up front helping us shed blockers easier, tackle better, or improve us at hurrying passers. I'm guessing neither did our opponents which partially explains why most of our opponents didn't want to no huddle us. Tiring out our big fellers with 2 wind sprints between 3 point stances was too helpful for them to turn down.
We never won any games by outsmarting our opponents in 2015 but we sure did outsmart ourselves a lot.
Well said Tom. I bolded a very key & important part of your statement.
Shelton played over 80% of his college team's defensive downs & something like 44% as a Brown.
I'm in the stands every game and, at the Ravens' game on Nov 30, I decided to keep track of something. In the 1st quarter, EVERY defensive down had 3 guys run off & 3 run on for the Browns. Those idiots we called coaches were gassing their OWN D linemen! I maintain that we don't yet know what we have in many of our players due to what I consider the most poorly coached Browns' Team in my memory & that's a LONG time.
I'm very anxious to see what happens this year with more set & cohesive units. We'll win more than 3 games simply by not helping our opponents with dumbass fundamental decisions.
Only time will tell, but I still believe Shelton will be a beast!
Ag, we're usually on the same page, but not where Danny is concerned..."Two Down" will soon change.
Mike
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Still looks like a fat ass OL to me. Was nothing special last year. Over hyped. Hope he turns out, but I doubt it.
Still looks like a fat ass OL to me. Was nothing special last year. Over hyped. Hope he turns out, but I doubt it.
Take the prime of ur life...then multiply by 10. Then understand that he would still shit in your mouth as u lay unconscious......then urinate on all the other dirt napping family members of urs that were dumb enough to step in.
Basically I'm saying he would regulate ur family barbecue if y'all were some hill jack neighbors of his and couldn't stfu and let the grown man next door get some sleep
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Until he proves you right he's still an out of shape OL to me. I'd be happy to personally rename him Every Down Danny if he indeed is able to stay out there all 4 quarters with minimal breathers on the sideline. Until he unearns it though I'm sticking with Two Down Danny, a personal insult he can use for inspiration to prove he's more than that.
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Still looks like a fat ass OL to me. Was nothing special last year. Over hyped. Hope he turns out, but I doubt it.
Take the prime of ur life...then multiply by 10. Then understand that he would still shit in your mouth as u lay unconscious......then urinate on all the other dirt napping family members of urs that were dumb enough to step in.
Basically I'm saying he would regulate ur family barbecue if y'all were some hill jack neighbors of his and couldn't stfu and let the grown man next door get some sleep
Take the prime of ur life...then multiply by 10. Then understand that he would still shit in your mouth as u lay unconscious......then urinate on all the other dirt napping family members of urs that were dumb enough to step in.
Basically I'm saying he would regulate ur family barbecue if y'all were some hill jack neighbors of his and couldn't stfu and let the grown man next door get some sleep
Have a nice day sunshine!
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Take the prime of ur life...then multiply by 10. Then understand that he would still shit in your mouth as u lay unconscious......then urinate on all the other dirt napping family members of urs that were dumb enough to step in.
Basically I'm saying he would regulate ur family barbecue if y'all were some hill jack neighbors of his and couldn't stfu and let the grown man next door get some sleep
Have a nice day sunshine!
Have a nice day sunshine!
Sure thing sweet tits
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Can't think of the last time I saw any rookie Nose come in and be "special". Not even Wilfork. It's a position where it just doesn't happen.
Can't think of the last time I saw any rookie Nose come in and be "special". Not even Wilfork. It's a position where it just doesn't happen.
Can we agree that Phil Taylor looked a lot better as a rookie?
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Can we agree that Phil Taylor looked a lot better as a rookie?
No, we can't. Especially when Phil was asked to play a different role in a different defense.
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Can we agree that Phil Taylor looked a lot better as a rookie?
No, we can't. Especially when Phil was asked to play a different role in a different defense.
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I liked the pick and still feel that he can be productive under the right coaching.
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