New beginnings - Danny Shelton
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Still looks like a fat ass OL to me. Was nothing special last year. Over hyped. Hope he turns out, but I doubt it.
Still looks like a fat ass OL to me. Was nothing special last year. Over hyped. Hope he turns out, but I doubt it.
Take the prime of ur life...then multiply by 10. Then understand that he would still shit in your mouth as u lay unconscious......then urinate on all the other dirt napping family members of urs that were dumb enough to step in.
Basically I'm saying he would regulate ur family barbecue if y'all were some hill jack neighbors of his and couldn't stfu and let the grown man next door get some sleep
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Until he proves you right he's still an out of shape OL to me. I'd be happy to personally rename him Every Down Danny if he indeed is able to stay out there all 4 quarters with minimal breathers on the sideline. Until he unearns it though I'm sticking with Two Down Danny, a personal insult he can use for inspiration to prove he's more than that.
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Still looks like a fat ass OL to me. Was nothing special last year. Over hyped. Hope he turns out, but I doubt it.
Take the prime of ur life...then multiply by 10. Then understand that he would still shit in your mouth as u lay unconscious......then urinate on all the other dirt napping family members of urs that were dumb enough to step in.
Basically I'm saying he would regulate ur family barbecue if y'all were some hill jack neighbors of his and couldn't stfu and let the grown man next door get some sleep
Take the prime of ur life...then multiply by 10. Then understand that he would still shit in your mouth as u lay unconscious......then urinate on all the other dirt napping family members of urs that were dumb enough to step in.
Basically I'm saying he would regulate ur family barbecue if y'all were some hill jack neighbors of his and couldn't stfu and let the grown man next door get some sleep
Have a nice day sunshine!
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Take the prime of ur life...then multiply by 10. Then understand that he would still shit in your mouth as u lay unconscious......then urinate on all the other dirt napping family members of urs that were dumb enough to step in.
Basically I'm saying he would regulate ur family barbecue if y'all were some hill jack neighbors of his and couldn't stfu and let the grown man next door get some sleep
Have a nice day sunshine!
Have a nice day sunshine!
Sure thing sweet tits
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Can't think of the last time I saw any rookie Nose come in and be "special". Not even Wilfork. It's a position where it just doesn't happen.
Can't think of the last time I saw any rookie Nose come in and be "special". Not even Wilfork. It's a position where it just doesn't happen.
Can we agree that Phil Taylor looked a lot better as a rookie?
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Can we agree that Phil Taylor looked a lot better as a rookie?
No, we can't. Especially when Phil was asked to play a different role in a different defense.
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Can we agree that Phil Taylor looked a lot better as a rookie?
No, we can't. Especially when Phil was asked to play a different role in a different defense.
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I liked the pick and still feel that he can be productive under the right coaching.
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I wonder if it will be setting a record - with how many of the Browns draft picks
make the active roster, and play during the regular season.
They drafted football players, not prima donna "only want the money" picks.
Every one of the Browns's picks means business about football. They love the game.
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Can we agree that Phil Taylor looked a lot better as a rookie?
No, we can't. Especially when Phil was asked to play a different role in a different defense.
No, we can't. Especially when Phil was asked to play a different role in a different defense.
So Danny Shelton's rookie season was as good as Phil Taylor's? Oh wait the played in different systems so that is the rationalization for Danny's lack of effectiveness. Must be the system that screwed Gilbert.
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No, we can't. Especially when Phil was asked to play a different role in a different defense.
So Danny Shelton's rookie season was as good as Phil Taylor's? Oh wait the played in different systems so that is the rationalization for Danny's lack of effectiveness. Must be the system that screwed Gilbert.
So Danny Shelton's rookie season was as good as Phil Taylor's? Oh wait the played in different systems so that is the rationalization for Danny's lack of effectiveness. Must be the system that screwed Gilbert.
So not only do you clearly not comprehend the differences asked of Danny and Phil, you then attempt to equate that to CB.
Survey says......!! That's Retard.
edit: Take an interior player such as Aaron Donald, then have him play a 0-1 spot along a front now and watch his production drop like a rock. Must be because he sucks, huh? Coaching system and assingments clearly have no impact on player performance.
It's rare I call someone a dumbass, but you're treading in that water. I'm not by any means saying Danny had a great season, but I've yet to see ANYONE refute my point about a rookie being 'special' in that spot. So until someone does, pipe the fuck down.
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So Danny Shelton's rookie season was as good as Phil Taylor's? Oh wait the played in different systems so that is the rationalization for Danny's lack of effectiveness. Must be the system that screwed Gilbert.
So not only do you clearly not comprehend the differences asked of Danny and Phil, you then attempt to equate that to CB.
Survey says......!! That's Retard.
edit: Take an interior player such as Aaron Donald, then have him play a 0-1 spot along a front now and watch his production drop like a rock. Must be because he sucks, huh? Coaching system and assingments clearly have no impact on player performance.
It's rare I call someone a dumbass, but you're treading in that water. I'm not by any means saying Danny had a great season, but I've yet to see ANYONE refute my point about a rookie being 'special' in that spot. So until someone does, pipe the fuck down.
So not only do you clearly not comprehend the differences asked of Danny and Phil, you then attempt to equate that to CB.
Survey says......!! That's Retard.
edit: Take an interior player such as Aaron Donald, then have him play a 0-1 spot along a front now and watch his production drop like a rock. Must be because he sucks, huh? Coaching system and assingments clearly have no impact on player performance.
It's rare I call someone a dumbass, but you're treading in that water. I'm not by any means saying Danny had a great season, but I've yet to see ANYONE refute my point about a rookie being 'special' in that spot. So until someone does, pipe the fuck down.
Oh god no don't call me a bad name. No one said Phil Taylor was a Hall of Fame inductee after his rookie season. For anyone who watched both rookie campaigns it was clear that Taylor played better than Shelton. Regardless of system, or numbers for that matter, Shelton underperformed last season for his draft position. That isn't to say his career is over but he didn't play well last year regardless of how much we wanted him to.
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So not only do you clearly not comprehend the differences asked of Danny and Phil, you then attempt to equate that to CB.
Survey says......!! That's Retard.
edit: Take an interior player such as Aaron Donald, then have him play a 0-1 spot along a front now and watch his production drop like a rock. Must be because he sucks, huh? Coaching system and assingments clearly have no impact on player performance.
It's rare I call someone a dumbass, but you're treading in that water. I'm not by any means saying Danny had a great season, but I've yet to see ANYONE refute my point about a rookie being 'special' in that spot. So until someone does, pipe the fuck down.
Oh god no don't call me a bad name. No one said Phil Taylor was a Hall of Fame inductee after his rookie season. For anyone who watched both rookie campaigns it was clear that Taylor played better than Shelton. Regardless of system, or numbers for that matter, Shelton underperformed last season for his draft position. That isn't to say his career is over but he didn't play well last year regardless of how much we wanted him to.
it was clear that Taylor played better than Shelton. Regardless of system, or numbers for that matter
Shelton underperformed last season for his draft position. That isn't to say his career is over but he didn't play well last year regardless of how much we wanted him to.
I'm not sure why I bother responding, because until you realize that the bolded in inherent contradiction then its rather pointless carrying on conversation.
In your eyes, Danny under performed for his draft position. In every casual Browns fans eyes I'm sure they did. I expected the kid to come in and be what he was... a big kid who needs some time but showed he does belong in this league, flashed moments of potential greatness and at times was the space eater that turned ball carriers right to the backers. Maybe have a sack or two if he was kept in on 3rd downs but that wasn't a given.
Again and for the last time, please - point to me a rookie nose that came in and was 'special' or every bit as dominant as you expected. I have a feeling you'll be going back a long, long time.
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DT from the lions. Rodgers?
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it was clear that Taylor played better than Shelton. Regardless of system, or numbers for that matter
Shelton underperformed last season for his draft position. That isn't to say his career is over but he didn't play well last year regardless of how much we wanted him to.
I'm not sure why I bother responding, because until you realize that the bolded in inherent contradiction then its rather pointless carrying on conversation.
In your eyes, Danny under performed for his draft position. In every casual Browns fans eyes I'm sure they did. I expected the kid to come in and be what he was... a big kid who needs some time but showed he does belong in this league, flashed moments of potential greatness and at times was the space eater that turned ball carriers right to the backers. Maybe have a sack or two if he was kept in on 3rd downs but that wasn't a given.
Again and for the last time, please - point to me a rookie nose that came in and was 'special' or every bit as dominant as you expected. I have a feeling you'll be going back a long, long time.
I'm not sure why I bother responding, because until you realize that the bolded in inherent contradiction then its rather pointless carrying on conversation.
In your eyes, Danny under performed for his draft position. In every casual Browns fans eyes I'm sure they did. I expected the kid to come in and be what he was... a big kid who needs some time but showed he does belong in this league, flashed moments of potential greatness and at times was the space eater that turned ball carriers right to the backers. Maybe have a sack or two if he was kept in on 3rd downs but that wasn't a given.
Again and for the last time, please - point to me a rookie nose that came in and was 'special' or every bit as dominant as you expected. I have a feeling you'll be going back a long, long time.
It's not about being dominant. DT's taken in the top 15 last 5 drafts Danny Shelton 2015, Aaron Donald 2014, Star Lotulelei 2013, Michael Brockers & Fletcher Cox 2012, Marcell Dareus & Nick Fairley 2011.
So if you want to ignore the eye test which most of us "casual" fans say he didn't meet expectations and look at rookie stats here you go:
Shelton 19 tackles 17 assists 0 sacks
Donald 37 tackles 19 assists 9 sacks
Lotulelei 34 tackles 14 assists 3 sacks
Brockers 20 tackles 11 assists 4 sacks
Cox 32 tackles 7 assists 5.5 sacks
Dareus 32 tackles 11 assists 5.5 sacks
Fairley 9 tackles 6 assists 1 sack
BTW Phil Taylor taken 21st in 2011 37 tackles 22 assists 4 sacks
The 4-3 system lends themselves to creating more opportunities but Shelton couldn't even stay on the field for all 4 downs last season and Buffalo and Philly played 3-4. Again with more experience, better conditioning and a change in coaching he could have a long successful career but that doesn't mean last season was a success for him unless the bar was set low.
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I'm not sure why I bother responding, because until you realize that the bolded in inherent contradiction then its rather pointless carrying on conversation.
In your eyes, Danny under performed for his draft position. In every casual Browns fans eyes I'm sure they did. I expected the kid to come in and be what he was... a big kid who needs some time but showed he does belong in this league, flashed moments of potential greatness and at times was the space eater that turned ball carriers right to the backers. Maybe have a sack or two if he was kept in on 3rd downs but that wasn't a given.
Again and for the last time, please - point to me a rookie nose that came in and was 'special' or every bit as dominant as you expected. I have a feeling you'll be going back a long, long time.
It's not about being dominant. DT's taken in the top 15 last 5 drafts Danny Shelton 2015, Aaron Donald 2014, Star Lotulelei 2013, Michael Brockers & Fletcher Cox 2012, Marcell Dareus & Nick Fairley 2011.
So if you want to ignore the eye test which most of us "casual" fans say he didn't meet expectations and look at rookie stats here you go:
Shelton 19 tackles 17 assists 0 sacks
Donald 37 tackles 19 assists 9 sacks
Lotulelei 34 tackles 14 assists 3 sacks
Brockers 20 tackles 11 assists 4 sacks
Cox 32 tackles 7 assists 5.5 sacks
Dareus 32 tackles 11 assists 5.5 sacks
Fairley 9 tackles 6 assists 1 sack
BTW Phil Taylor taken 21st in 2011 37 tackles 22 assists 4 sacks
The 4-3 system lends themselves to creating more opportunities but Shelton couldn't even stay on the field for all 4 downs last season and Buffalo and Philly played 3-4. Again with more experience, better conditioning and a change in coaching he could have a long successful career but that doesn't mean last season was a success for him unless the bar was set low.
It's not about being dominant. DT's taken in the top 15 last 5 drafts Danny Shelton 2015, Aaron Donald 2014, Star Lotulelei 2013, Michael Brockers & Fletcher Cox 2012, Marcell Dareus & Nick Fairley 2011.
So if you want to ignore the eye test which most of us "casual" fans say he didn't meet expectations and look at rookie stats here you go:
Shelton 19 tackles 17 assists 0 sacks
Donald 37 tackles 19 assists 9 sacks
Lotulelei 34 tackles 14 assists 3 sacks
Brockers 20 tackles 11 assists 4 sacks
Cox 32 tackles 7 assists 5.5 sacks
Dareus 32 tackles 11 assists 5.5 sacks
Fairley 9 tackles 6 assists 1 sack
BTW Phil Taylor taken 21st in 2011 37 tackles 22 assists 4 sacks
The 4-3 system lends themselves to creating more opportunities but Shelton couldn't even stay on the field for all 4 downs last season and Buffalo and Philly played 3-4. Again with more experience, better conditioning and a change in coaching he could have a long successful career but that doesn't mean last season was a success for him unless the bar was set low.
You've just killed your entire argument and funny enough, I mentioned Aaron Donald just a couple of posts up and you sure as shit have him as your first player in your stats as if he plays anything resembling the same assignments.
You also compare players in their 2nd year and beyond, none of them play a nose in the traditional sense aside from Dareus who got a few looks there in his rookie season, they've been under Jauron and 1 gap philosophy until Rexy came along. While having Mario Williams, Kyle Williams and Jerry Hughes.
Of the players you listed, all of them have talent around them in the front 7. You wouldn't take that into consideration I'm sure, honestly it looks as if you went off sack numbers.
Philly was/is the only team that runs a '34' in a sense and Fletcher is usually their pusher at the end spot, he was not drafted with the thinking that the Iggles first and foremost need to stop interior rushes.
I'm out of this conversation, spent too much time on it as is.
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Well, I'll just say that I would be shocked if 8-10 Browns' fans wouldn't say that they were disappointed in Danny's season as a whole last year. Coaches, system, substitutions, scheme, Danny's extra weight, Danny's lack of strength, Danny's cardio....whatever excuse one wants to use. I like the dude and was thrilled we drafted him, but I am definitely one of the 8.
From the linked video, Danny is saying all the right things, and I hope he's sincere, but as someone said earlier, talk is cheap and we'll all know pretty quickly into the season if Danny is now a professional athlete, or still just the fat college kid who beat up on smaller college kids on Saturdays. There is a huge difference between the two.
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Well, I'll just say that I would be shocked if 8-10 Browns' fans wouldn't say that they were disappointed in Danny's season as a whole last year. Coaches, system, substitutions, scheme, Danny's extra weight, Danny's lack of strength, Danny's cardio....whatever excuse one wants to use. I like the dude and was thrilled we drafted him, but I am definitely one of the 8.
From the linked video, Danny is saying all the right things, and I hope he's sincere, but as someone said earlier, talk is cheap and we'll all know pretty quickly into the season if Danny is now a professional athlete, or still just the fat college kid who beat up on smaller college kids on Saturdays. There is a huge difference between the two.
Well, I'll just say that I would be shocked if 8-10 Browns' fans wouldn't say that they were disappointed in Danny's season as a whole last year. Coaches, system, substitutions, scheme, Danny's extra weight, Danny's lack of strength, Danny's cardio....whatever excuse one wants to use. I like the dude and was thrilled we drafted him, but I am definitely one of the 8.
From the linked video, Danny is saying all the right things, and I hope he's sincere, but as someone said earlier, talk is cheap and we'll all know pretty quickly into the season if Danny is now a professional athlete, or still just the fat college kid who beat up on smaller college kids on Saturdays. There is a huge difference between the two.
And I liked the pick as well. I hope Shelton improves and becomes the next Ted Washington but last year he wasn't worth the 12th pick.
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One more time - Danny played far more downs in college. His stats were a victim
of stupid platooning, running the dl's on and off the field. It was STUPID.
You stats are worthless to your argument, bacon. Most of the defense didn't play
up to par.
Different offenses, different offensive lines, how is a Browns NT supposed get a lot
of sacks when their wr's and te's got open with ease on short throws so often?
There is far more to stats that you aren't considering, while you are making wrong conclusions.
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If we're going by stats, Shelton had a year that looked pretty similar to Haloti Ngata's rookie season. Shelton had one less sack, but also five more tackles, including more solo tackles.
We're just gonna have to wait this one out. A few years down the road we will be able to verify wether or not Shelton was a good pick, but I do have high hopes for his future.
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