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  • The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
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    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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    This is Bill Belichick's line whenever his team has gotten beaten (and even sometime when his team has won). He just want to go on to talk about the next team he has on the schedule. (though usually he doesn't do that either). And as we know, Las Vegas is courting the Raiders to move there, and vice versa. So maybe someday soon we will here this out of BB and others.

    But my point in this is to do a bit of a breakdown of cities in the US that have 4 or more teams, 3 teams, 2 teams, 1 team, and no teams by size of Metropolitan area/Market that have teams in the 4 major sports, NBA/NHL/MLB/NFL. The number to the left will be that Metro regions market size:

    Cities/regions with at least 1 team in all 4 major sports:

    #1. New York

    2. Los Angeles

    3. Chicago

    4. Washington/Baltimore

    5. Bay Area. (Oak/SF/SJ)

    6. Boston

    7. Dallas

    8. Philadelphia

    10. Miami

    12. Detroit

    14. Minneapolis/St. Paul

    16. Denver

    Cities/regions with teams in only 3 of the 4 major sports:

    #9. Houston

    11. Atlanta

    15. Cleveland

    18. Tampa Bay

    22. Pittsburgh

    Cities/regions with teams in only 2 of the 4 major sports:

    13. Seattle.

    #17. San Diego

    21. St. Louis

    23. Charlotte

    26. Kansas City

    28. Indianapolis

    30. Cincinnati

    32. Milwaukee

    33. Nashville

    38. New Orleans

    46. Buffalo

    Cities/regions with teams in only 1 of the 4 major sports:

    #19. Orlando

    20. Portland

    24. Sacramento

    25. Salt Lake City

    t25. San Antonio

    27. Columbus

    31. Raleigh

    36. Jacksonville

    41. Oklahoma City

    43. Memphis

    #103. Green Bay

    Cities/regions with -0- teams in the major sports. Note for this, I am only including metro areas that are larger than Buffalo, which is the 46th largest market in America (but which has 2 teams):

    #29. Las Vegas

    34. Virginia Beach/Norfolk

    35. Greensboro NC

    37. Louisville

    39. Hartford

    40. Grand Rapids

    42. Greeneville/Spartanburg SC

    44. Birmingham Ala.

    45. Harrisburg Pa.

    So, note this: there are 18 markets in the US that actually have more people than the Buffalo market, but which have only 1 or no teams.

    If the NFL moved to Vegas, there would actually be 5 smaller markets that have teams than Vegas: Buffalo/Jacksonville/New Orleans/Nashville/Cincinnati.

    And Vegas right now is the biggest market in America without a major league franchise.

    Now that the Rams have moved back to LA, it is St. Louis which they left that is now the largest market without an NFL team.

    (however, not above San Antonio is #25.....if San Antonio and Austin were combined, they would be the largest non NFL market.

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      Seattle only has two.

      Zombo

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        Seattle only has two.

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        The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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        Zombo said:

        Seattle only has two.

        Zombo

        Oops, right. Fixing it. Used to have 3 with Supersonics.

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          T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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          Damn I came on here hoping for a drawing for a free Vegas trip.

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            PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on last edited by PoeticG
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            Sports

            Main article: Sports in the Las Vegas metropolitan area.

            Las Vegas does not have major league sports, although the metropolitan population is as large or larger than many cities that have them. The only minor league sports team that plays in the city of Las Vegas are the Las Vegas 51s of the Pacific Coast League, the AAA farm club of the New York Mets.

            In response to continuing rumors of a potential National Hockey League expansion team in Las Vegas, ESPN writer Scott Burnside noted several obstacles that would be faced by the city if it were to become a professional sports market, including the presence of legal sports betting, scheduling conflicts with the large amount of residents who work nighttime and overnight shifts, and that the casinos would be unlikely to give away tickets to such events as a promotion, as they run contrary to a goal of encouraging patrons to remain in their facilities.

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            My issue with a team in Vegas is who is going to go to these games? I see that Vegas has a population of nearly 700,000, while the entire state of Nevada only has a population of 2.8 million. Let's say that Vegas gets a stadium, I would say that being the big show Vegas is that they would try to 1up Dallas' stadium. Dallas stadium holds 111,000 people... that would be like 1 out of every 7 people living in Vegas would have to attend the games to fill it up. Now you may get some tourists to go to the games but usually only the people who's team back home is playing would attend. I don't see that much of a market. People go to win money and gamble in Vegas. I don't know if they would be willing to shell out 10 bucks or more for a beer.

            I think the idea is awesome.. showgirl cheerleaders and the setting would be epic. Maybe giant jackpot machines that rain down golden coin confetti whenever the home team scores... I don't know but I think that gambling and football are a bad combination... we already have paid off officials to mess with the outcome of the games from Pit and Cincy, imagine the headache of refs throwing penalties to cover the spreads and.... eh, there are more DESERVING cities that should get a team before Vegas.

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              PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on last edited by
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              Cleveland gets a lot of credit but MANY of the fans come from far and wide to support Cleveland. Cleveland Browns are repped all over the state. I drive and hour and a half to the games and other than a couple Steelers fans that need attention, I pretty much live in Brownstown.

              The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain-
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                Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
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                Vegas is pretty transient, but I bet the NFL would be supported there by the residents.

                I don't want the Raiders to leave Oakland, but they might be the once franchise that could match up well if they went there.

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                  How'd you come up with the population rankings? Dallas should be 4th. Cleveland seems high. Houston is too low.

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                    Sports

                    Main article: Sports in the Las Vegas metropolitan area.

                    Las Vegas does not have major league sports, although the metropolitan population is as large or larger than many cities that have them. The only minor league sports team that plays in the city of Las Vegas are the Las Vegas 51s of the Pacific Coast League, the AAA farm club of the New York Mets.

                    In response to continuing rumors of a potential National Hockey League expansion team in Las Vegas, ESPN writer Scott Burnside noted several obstacles that would be faced by the city if it were to become a professional sports market, including the presence of legal sports betting, scheduling conflicts with the large amount of residents who work nighttime and overnight shifts, and that the casinos would be unlikely to give away tickets to such events as a promotion, as they run contrary to a goal of encouraging patrons to remain in their facilities.

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                    My issue with a team in Vegas is who is going to go to these games? I see that Vegas has a population of nearly 700,000, while the entire state of Nevada only has a population of 2.8 million. Let's say that Vegas gets a stadium, I would say that being the big show Vegas is that they would try to 1up Dallas' stadium. Dallas stadium holds 111,000 people... that would be like 1 out of every 7 people living in Vegas would have to attend the games to fill it up. Now you may get some tourists to go to the games but usually only the people who's team back home is playing would attend. I don't see that much of a market. People go to win money and gamble in Vegas. I don't know if they would be willing to shell out 10 bucks or more for a beer.

                    I think the idea is awesome.. showgirl cheerleaders and the setting would be epic. Maybe giant jackpot machines that rain down golden coin confetti whenever the home team scores... I don't know but I think that gambling and football are a bad combination... we already have paid off officials to mess with the outcome of the games from Pit and Cincy, imagine the headache of refs throwing penalties to cover the spreads and.... eh, there are more DESERVING cities that should get a team before Vegas.

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                    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                    @poeticg said:

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                    My issue with a team in Vegas is who is going to go to these games? I see that Vegas has a population of nearly 700,000, while the entire state of Nevada only has a population of 2.8 million. Let's say that Vegas gets a stadium, I would say that being the big show Vegas is that they would try to 1up Dallas' stadium. Dallas stadium holds 111,000 people... that would be like 1 out of every 7 people living in Vegas would have to attend the games to fill it up. Now you may get some tourists to go to the games but usually only the people who's team back home is playing would attend. I don't see that much of a market. People go to win money and gamble in Vegas. I don't know if they would be willing to shell out 10 bucks or more for a beer.

                    I think the idea is awesome.. showgirl cheerleaders and the setting would be epic. Maybe giant jackpot machines that rain down golden coin confetti whenever the home team scores... I don't know but I think that gambling and football are a bad combination... we already have paid off officials to mess with the outcome of the games from Pit and Cincy, imagine the headache of refs throwing penalties to cover the spreads and.... eh, there are more DESERVING cities that should get a team before Vegas.

                    Right- to fill a 70,000 seat stadium- you'd need 1\10th of the population of Vegas to show up. If you've ever been, once you get outside the Vegas city limits- there's a whole lot of nothing. The two nearest major metropolis- Los Angeles and Phoenix are a at least a 3 hour drive away- doing around 90.

                    MHO is Oakland needs to pony up for a new stadium- the locals should know the drill by now.

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                      gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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                      VesnaKociper said:

                      Vegas is my favorite place on earth. I hope to be permanently resided there in the coming 2 years. If the Raiders move there? I am all in a Raiders fan.

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                        VesnaKociper said:

                        Vegas is my favorite place on earth. I hope to be permanently resided there in the coming 2 years. If the Raiders move there? I am all in a Raiders fan.

                        If you move to Vegas and the Raiders don't you can be a Cards fan.
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                          Why even switch teams? The Steelers won't kick you out of the club just for moving to Vegas.

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                            VesnaKociper said:

                            Vegas is my favorite place on earth. I hope to be permanently resided there in the coming 2 years. If the Raiders move there? I am all in a Raiders fan.

                            Too bad I don't care to gamble much Tom. On my one trip there, I bought all the co-workers $5 tickets at Harrah's on their favorite teams to win the Super Bowl. My neighbor lived there for years as a session musician, and moved back to Ohio. Says it got pretty boring. The good things about Vegas? No discernible bug population, and it's a nice jumping off point to Zion (2-1\2 hour drive) and the Grand Canyon (4 hours). I'll paraphrase what I once heard about Wyoming.

                            The two prettiest sights in Nevada are Wheeler Peak, and seeing Las Vegas in your rear-view mirror. 🙂

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                              Browns_Fucking_RuleB Browns_Fucking_Rule wrote on last edited by
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                              There needs to be a law that prohibits companies from holding cities hostage "give us something free or we will leave to greener pastures"... happens all the time and its bullshit unethical tactics

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                                stillmotionS stillmotion wrote on last edited by
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                                I love vegas! I had a fling with a stripper from there!

                                plus those buffets and all you can drink for free?

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                                  How'd you come up with the population rankings? Dallas should be 4th. Cleveland seems high. Houston is too low.

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                                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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                                  @wargograw said:

                                  How'd you come up with the population rankings? Dallas should be 4th. Cleveland seems high. Houston is too low.

                                  These are metropolitan area rankings, not city proper population rankings. US Census Bureau 2014 estimates.

                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area#List_of_combined_statistical_areas

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                                    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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                                    VesnaKociper said:

                                    Transient? 1.8 million residents? Transient?

                                    Las Vegas-Henderson, NV-AZ Combined Statistical Area

                                    2,362,015 2,195,401 +7.59%

                                    Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV Metropolitan Statistical Area

                                    Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area

                                    Pahrump, NV Micropolitan Statistical Area

                                    Over 2.3 million actually. They have more than Cincy, and Nashville and 3 other NFL markets.

                                    So, I think they would hold their own.

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                                      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                                      Want to go to Vegas for a week? I can set you up with a Getaway with my timeshare exchange company. As low as around $350.00

                                      for a studio.

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                                        The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                                          Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
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                                          VesnaKociper said:

                                          Transient? 1.8 million residents? Transient?

                                          What I meant was most of the population has moved there from elsewhere, like Atlanta in the 80s.

                                          The Arizona Cardinals still don't have a clear "home field advantage" when they play teams like Dallas & Green Bay, after moving there nearly 30 years ago. It will be the same situation in Vegas.

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