On To Las Vegas?
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Cleveland gets a lot of credit but MANY of the fans come from far and wide to support Cleveland. Cleveland Browns are repped all over the state. I drive and hour and a half to the games and other than a couple Steelers fans that need attention, I pretty much live in Brownstown.
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How'd you come up with the population rankings? Dallas should be 4th. Cleveland seems high. Houston is too low.
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Sports
Main article: Sports in the Las Vegas metropolitan area.
Las Vegas does not have major league sports, although the metropolitan population is as large or larger than many cities that have them. The only minor league sports team that plays in the city of Las Vegas are the Las Vegas 51s of the Pacific Coast League, the AAA farm club of the New York Mets.
In response to continuing rumors of a potential National Hockey League expansion team in Las Vegas, ESPN writer Scott Burnside noted several obstacles that would be faced by the city if it were to become a professional sports market, including the presence of legal sports betting, scheduling conflicts with the large amount of residents who work nighttime and overnight shifts, and that the casinos would be unlikely to give away tickets to such events as a promotion, as they run contrary to a goal of encouraging patrons to remain in their facilities.
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My issue with a team in Vegas is who is going to go to these games? I see that Vegas has a population of nearly 700,000, while the entire state of Nevada only has a population of 2.8 million. Let's say that Vegas gets a stadium, I would say that being the big show Vegas is that they would try to 1up Dallas' stadium. Dallas stadium holds 111,000 people... that would be like 1 out of every 7 people living in Vegas would have to attend the games to fill it up. Now you may get some tourists to go to the games but usually only the people who's team back home is playing would attend. I don't see that much of a market. People go to win money and gamble in Vegas. I don't know if they would be willing to shell out 10 bucks or more for a beer.
I think the idea is awesome.. showgirl cheerleaders and the setting would be epic. Maybe giant jackpot machines that rain down golden coin confetti whenever the home team scores... I don't know but I think that gambling and football are a bad combination... we already have paid off officials to mess with the outcome of the games from Pit and Cincy, imagine the headache of refs throwing penalties to cover the spreads and.... eh, there are more DESERVING cities that should get a team before Vegas.
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My issue with a team in Vegas is who is going to go to these games? I see that Vegas has a population of nearly 700,000, while the entire state of Nevada only has a population of 2.8 million. Let's say that Vegas gets a stadium, I would say that being the big show Vegas is that they would try to 1up Dallas' stadium. Dallas stadium holds 111,000 people... that would be like 1 out of every 7 people living in Vegas would have to attend the games to fill it up. Now you may get some tourists to go to the games but usually only the people who's team back home is playing would attend. I don't see that much of a market. People go to win money and gamble in Vegas. I don't know if they would be willing to shell out 10 bucks or more for a beer.
I think the idea is awesome.. showgirl cheerleaders and the setting would be epic. Maybe giant jackpot machines that rain down golden coin confetti whenever the home team scores... I don't know but I think that gambling and football are a bad combination... we already have paid off officials to mess with the outcome of the games from Pit and Cincy, imagine the headache of refs throwing penalties to cover the spreads and.... eh, there are more DESERVING cities that should get a team before Vegas.
Right- to fill a 70,000 seat stadium- you'd need 1\10th of the population of Vegas to show up. If you've ever been, once you get outside the Vegas city limits- there's a whole lot of nothing. The two nearest major metropolis- Los Angeles and Phoenix are a at least a 3 hour drive away- doing around 90.
MHO is Oakland needs to pony up for a new stadium- the locals should know the drill by now.
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If you move to Vegas and the Raiders don't you can be a Cards fan.VesnaKociper said:
Vegas is my favorite place on earth. I hope to be permanently resided there in the coming 2 years. If the Raiders move there? I am all in a Raiders fan.
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Why even switch teams? The Steelers won't kick you out of the club just for moving to Vegas.
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VesnaKociper said:
Vegas is my favorite place on earth. I hope to be permanently resided there in the coming 2 years. If the Raiders move there? I am all in a Raiders fan.
Too bad I don't care to gamble much Tom. On my one trip there, I bought all the co-workers $5 tickets at Harrah's on their favorite teams to win the Super Bowl. My neighbor lived there for years as a session musician, and moved back to Ohio. Says it got pretty boring. The good things about Vegas? No discernible bug population, and it's a nice jumping off point to Zion (2-1\2 hour drive) and the Grand Canyon (4 hours). I'll paraphrase what I once heard about Wyoming.
The two prettiest sights in Nevada are Wheeler Peak, and seeing Las Vegas in your rear-view mirror.
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There needs to be a law that prohibits companies from holding cities hostage "give us something free or we will leave to greener pastures"... happens all the time and its bullshit unethical tactics
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I love vegas! I had a fling with a stripper from there!
plus those buffets and all you can drink for free?
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How'd you come up with the population rankings? Dallas should be 4th. Cleveland seems high. Houston is too low.
How'd you come up with the population rankings? Dallas should be 4th. Cleveland seems high. Houston is too low.
These are metropolitan area rankings, not city proper population rankings. US Census Bureau 2014 estimates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area#List_of_combined_statistical_areas
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VesnaKociper said:
Transient? 1.8 million residents? Transient?
Las Vegas-Henderson, NV-AZ Combined Statistical Area
2,362,015 2,195,401 +7.59%
Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV Metropolitan Statistical Area
Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area
Pahrump, NV Micropolitan Statistical Area
Over 2.3 million actually. They have more than Cincy, and Nashville and 3 other NFL markets.
So, I think they would hold their own.
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for a studio.
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VesnaKociper said:
Transient? 1.8 million residents? Transient?
What I meant was most of the population has moved there from elsewhere, like Atlanta in the 80s.
The Arizona Cardinals still don't have a clear "home field advantage" when they play teams like Dallas & Green Bay, after moving there nearly 30 years ago. It will be the same situation in Vegas.
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VesnaKociper said:
Transient? 1.8 million residents? Transient?
Las Vegas-Henderson, NV-AZ Combined Statistical Area
2,362,015 2,195,401 +7.59%
Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV Metropolitan Statistical Area
Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area
Pahrump, NV Micropolitan Statistical Area
Over 2.3 million actually. They have more than Cincy, and Nashville and 3 other NFL markets.
So, I think they would hold their own.
Las Vegas-Henderson, NV-AZ Combined Statistical Area
2,362,015 2,195,401 +7.59%
Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV Metropolitan Statistical Area
Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area
Pahrump, NV Micropolitan Statistical Area
Over 2.3 million actually. They have more than Cincy, and Nashville and 3 other NFL markets.
So, I think they would hold their own.
Us environmentalists are concerned. Once Vegas and Phoenix drain Lake Mead, too bad, so sad. They're already bitching in California over water rights. Kingman is 100 miles away- almost the same distance between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. I suppose you could make the trip in an hour and change driving 90 mph through the Mojave desert.
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How could anyone on this board not be hoping for Vegas to get the Raiders now?!?!? j/kVesnaKociper said:
Vegas is my favorite place on earth. I hope to be permanently resided there in the coming 2 years. If the Raiders move there? I am all in a Raiders fan.
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Davis seems like he genuinely wants to move here. Supposedly remaining in Oakland is off the board and it's either going to be Vegas or Los Angeles. Davis has pledged 500 million(counting on a $200mil loan from the NFL) toward a $1.4B stadium. The LVCVA(Convention Authority) is planning a huge project($2B+) funded by $ from increased hotel room taxes. From what I understand, some of that money will be diverted to funding the stadium. We don't have state taxes here and I think all of the public $ will come from hotel taxes.
The Raiders wouldn't start playing here for another 3 or so years because UNLV's stadium sucks and is barely suited for cfb,let alone the NFL. UNLV also owns the land on which the stadium would be built.
Some of the "in the know" sports figures here have said that the owners would never approve the move due to the stigma of gambling,but others say approval won't be a problem.
The expectation is that Vegas would be a draw for fans of opposing teams. I am curious to see how the locals would support a team. There seems to be a decent base of Raider fans here. I hope it happens. I don't care if we land an NHL team or not.
I thought this had a about a 1% chance of happening when I first heard about it, but now I would say maybe there is a 30% chance.
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You get the "thumbs up" which is a bad thing.VesnaKociper said:
Arizona doesn't give me a Bona..................... Vegas does.
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Las Vegas-Henderson, NV-AZ Combined Statistical Area
2,362,015 2,195,401 +7.59%
Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV Metropolitan Statistical Area
Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area
Pahrump, NV Micropolitan Statistical Area
Over 2.3 million actually. They have more than Cincy, and Nashville and 3 other NFL markets.
So, I think they would hold their own.
Us environmentalists are concerned. Once Vegas and Phoenix drain Lake Mead, too bad, so sad. They're already bitching in California over water rights. Kingman is 100 miles away- almost the same distance between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. I suppose you could make the trip in an hour and change driving 90 mph through the Mojave desert.
Us environmentalists are concerned. Once Vegas and Phoenix drain Lake Mead, too bad, so sad. They're already bitching in California over water rights. Kingman is 100 miles away- almost the same distance between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. I suppose you could make the trip in an hour and change driving 90 mph through the Mojave desert.
The times I have traveled through the Mojave, I have done 90.
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