On To Las Vegas?
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Why even switch teams? The Steelers won't kick you out of the club just for moving to Vegas.
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VesnaKociper said:
Vegas is my favorite place on earth. I hope to be permanently resided there in the coming 2 years. If the Raiders move there? I am all in a Raiders fan.
Too bad I don't care to gamble much Tom. On my one trip there, I bought all the co-workers $5 tickets at Harrah's on their favorite teams to win the Super Bowl. My neighbor lived there for years as a session musician, and moved back to Ohio. Says it got pretty boring. The good things about Vegas? No discernible bug population, and it's a nice jumping off point to Zion (2-1\2 hour drive) and the Grand Canyon (4 hours). I'll paraphrase what I once heard about Wyoming.
The two prettiest sights in Nevada are Wheeler Peak, and seeing Las Vegas in your rear-view mirror.
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There needs to be a law that prohibits companies from holding cities hostage "give us something free or we will leave to greener pastures"... happens all the time and its bullshit unethical tactics
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I love vegas! I had a fling with a stripper from there!
plus those buffets and all you can drink for free?
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How'd you come up with the population rankings? Dallas should be 4th. Cleveland seems high. Houston is too low.
How'd you come up with the population rankings? Dallas should be 4th. Cleveland seems high. Houston is too low.
These are metropolitan area rankings, not city proper population rankings. US Census Bureau 2014 estimates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area#List_of_combined_statistical_areas
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VesnaKociper said:
Transient? 1.8 million residents? Transient?
Las Vegas-Henderson, NV-AZ Combined Statistical Area
2,362,015 2,195,401 +7.59%
Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV Metropolitan Statistical Area
Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area
Pahrump, NV Micropolitan Statistical Area
Over 2.3 million actually. They have more than Cincy, and Nashville and 3 other NFL markets.
So, I think they would hold their own.
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Want to go to Vegas for a week? I can set you up with a Getaway with my timeshare exchange company. As low as around $350.00
for a studio.
http://www.intervalworld.com/web/cs?a=1014&r=0.5426452640251889&saveSearch=true
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VesnaKociper said:
Transient? 1.8 million residents? Transient?
What I meant was most of the population has moved there from elsewhere, like Atlanta in the 80s.
The Arizona Cardinals still don't have a clear "home field advantage" when they play teams like Dallas & Green Bay, after moving there nearly 30 years ago. It will be the same situation in Vegas.
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VesnaKociper said:
Transient? 1.8 million residents? Transient?
Las Vegas-Henderson, NV-AZ Combined Statistical Area
2,362,015 2,195,401 +7.59%
Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV Metropolitan Statistical Area
Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area
Pahrump, NV Micropolitan Statistical Area
Over 2.3 million actually. They have more than Cincy, and Nashville and 3 other NFL markets.
So, I think they would hold their own.
Las Vegas-Henderson, NV-AZ Combined Statistical Area
2,362,015 2,195,401 +7.59%
Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV Metropolitan Statistical Area
Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area
Pahrump, NV Micropolitan Statistical Area
Over 2.3 million actually. They have more than Cincy, and Nashville and 3 other NFL markets.
So, I think they would hold their own.
Us environmentalists are concerned. Once Vegas and Phoenix drain Lake Mead, too bad, so sad. They're already bitching in California over water rights. Kingman is 100 miles away- almost the same distance between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. I suppose you could make the trip in an hour and change driving 90 mph through the Mojave desert.
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How could anyone on this board not be hoping for Vegas to get the Raiders now?!?!? j/kVesnaKociper said:
Vegas is my favorite place on earth. I hope to be permanently resided there in the coming 2 years. If the Raiders move there? I am all in a Raiders fan.
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Davis seems like he genuinely wants to move here. Supposedly remaining in Oakland is off the board and it's either going to be Vegas or Los Angeles. Davis has pledged 500 million(counting on a $200mil loan from the NFL) toward a $1.4B stadium. The LVCVA(Convention Authority) is planning a huge project($2B+) funded by $ from increased hotel room taxes. From what I understand, some of that money will be diverted to funding the stadium. We don't have state taxes here and I think all of the public $ will come from hotel taxes.
The Raiders wouldn't start playing here for another 3 or so years because UNLV's stadium sucks and is barely suited for cfb,let alone the NFL. UNLV also owns the land on which the stadium would be built.
Some of the "in the know" sports figures here have said that the owners would never approve the move due to the stigma of gambling,but others say approval won't be a problem.
The expectation is that Vegas would be a draw for fans of opposing teams. I am curious to see how the locals would support a team. There seems to be a decent base of Raider fans here. I hope it happens. I don't care if we land an NHL team or not.
I thought this had a about a 1% chance of happening when I first heard about it, but now I would say maybe there is a 30% chance.
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You get the "thumbs up" which is a bad thing.VesnaKociper said:
Arizona doesn't give me a Bona..................... Vegas does.
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Las Vegas-Henderson, NV-AZ Combined Statistical Area
2,362,015 2,195,401 +7.59%
Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV Metropolitan Statistical Area
Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area
Pahrump, NV Micropolitan Statistical Area
Over 2.3 million actually. They have more than Cincy, and Nashville and 3 other NFL markets.
So, I think they would hold their own.
Us environmentalists are concerned. Once Vegas and Phoenix drain Lake Mead, too bad, so sad. They're already bitching in California over water rights. Kingman is 100 miles away- almost the same distance between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. I suppose you could make the trip in an hour and change driving 90 mph through the Mojave desert.
Us environmentalists are concerned. Once Vegas and Phoenix drain Lake Mead, too bad, so sad. They're already bitching in California over water rights. Kingman is 100 miles away- almost the same distance between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. I suppose you could make the trip in an hour and change driving 90 mph through the Mojave desert.
The times I have traveled through the Mojave, I have done 90.
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Us environmentalists are concerned. Once Vegas and Phoenix drain Lake Mead, too bad, so sad. They're already bitching in California over water rights. Kingman is 100 miles away- almost the same distance between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. I suppose you could make the trip in an hour and change driving 90 mph through the Mojave desert.
The times I have traveled through the Mojave, I have done 90.
The times I have traveled through the Mojave, I have done 90.
LOL Gipper, I was driving 90 and getting passed like I was standing still.
Just one thought Gip- if you want to count Kingman in Las Vegas area, by that standard, Youngstown, Mansfield, and Sandusky count for Cleveland.
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To an uniformed man like myself the first thing that came to mind is suely the ground will be full of away fans on trips every time?
Home fans won't even be half the stadium.
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Davis seems like he genuinely wants to move here. Supposedly remaining in Oakland is off the board and it's either going to be Vegas or Los Angeles. Davis has pledged 500 million(counting on a $200mil loan from the NFL) toward a $1.4B stadium. The LVCVA(Convention Authority) is planning a huge project($2B+) funded by $ from increased hotel room taxes. From what I understand, some of that money will be diverted to funding the stadium. We don't have state taxes here and I think all of the public $ will come from hotel taxes.
The Raiders wouldn't start playing here for another 3 or so years because UNLV's stadium sucks and is barely suited for cfb,let alone the NFL. UNLV also owns the land on which the stadium would be built.
Some of the "in the know" sports figures here have said that the owners would never approve the move due to the stigma of gambling,but others say approval won't be a problem.
The expectation is that Vegas would be a draw for fans of opposing teams. I am curious to see how the locals would support a team. There seems to be a decent base of Raider fans here. I hope it happens. I don't care if we land an NHL team or not.
I thought this had a about a 1% chance of happening when I first heard about it, but now I would say maybe there is a 30% chance.
Davis seems like he genuinely wants to move here. Supposedly remaining in Oakland is off the board and it's either going to be Vegas or Los Angeles. Davis has pledged 500 million(counting on a $200mil loan from the NFL) toward a $1.4B stadium. The LVCVA(Convention Authority) is planning a huge project($2B+) funded by $ from increased hotel room taxes. From what I understand, some of that money will be diverted to funding the stadium. We don't have state taxes here and I think all of the public $ will come from hotel taxes.
The Raiders wouldn't start playing here for another 3 or so years because UNLV's stadium sucks and is barely suited for cfb,let alone the NFL. UNLV also owns the land on which the stadium would be built.
Some of the "in the know" sports figures here have said that the owners would never approve the move due to the stigma of gambling,but others say approval won't be a problem.
The expectation is that Vegas would be a draw for fans of opposing teams. I am curious to see how the locals would support a team. There seems to be a decent base of Raider fans here. I hope it happens. I don't care if we land an NHL team or not.
I thought this had a about a 1% chance of happening when I first heard about it, but now I would say maybe there is a 30% chance.
I don't think the team would have trouble selling tickets. I think a lot of fans of opposing teams would make a trip out there for a road trip to see their team play the Raiders. I would consider it. I would also not be surprised if a lot of East Bay Raider fans would maintain their loyalty to the team.
The question is: If they announce that they are going to move, and get approval to do so, where would they play for the next 3 years while a stadium is being built? You say no stadium in Vegas now is worthy. Would they stay in Oakland? Would they be welcome to stay in Oakland? Would they go elsewhere temporarily. LA? Where would they play? In the Coliseum like the Rams are? The Rose Bowl? Or would they do a temporary stint in San Antonio in the Alamodome? How about Salt Lake? Is there a college stadium there they could use temporarily while they cultivate that market for fans? (That is Bronco territory basically right now). How about London? How about the new Tom Benson Stadium in Canton Ohio next to the PFHOF? (too small....only a bit over 22K capacity)
Where?
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The times I have traveled through the Mojave, I have done 90.
LOL Gipper, I was driving 90 and getting passed like I was standing still.
Just one thought Gip- if you want to count Kingman in Las Vegas area, by that standard, Youngstown, Mansfield, and Sandusky count for Cleveland.
LOL Gipper, I was driving 90 and getting passed like I was standing still.
Just one thought Gip- if you want to count Kingman in Las Vegas area, by that standard, Youngstown, Mansfield, and Sandusky count for Cleveland.
Actually, they may.....see the link in post #18. At least Sandusky is in there.
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To an uniformed man like myself the first thing that came to mind is suely the ground will be full of away fans on trips every time?
Home fans won't even be half the stadium.
To an uniformed man like myself the first thing that came to mind is suely the ground will be full of away fans on trips every time?
Home fans won't even be half the stadium.
Perhaps initially until they really build up their home season ticket base.
But I see nothing wrong with that.
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Davis seems like he genuinely wants to move here. Supposedly remaining in Oakland is off the board and it's either going to be Vegas or Los Angeles. Davis has pledged 500 million(counting on a $200mil loan from the NFL) toward a $1.4B stadium. The LVCVA(Convention Authority) is planning a huge project($2B+) funded by $ from increased hotel room taxes. From what I understand, some of that money will be diverted to funding the stadium. We don't have state taxes here and I think all of the public $ will come from hotel taxes.
The Raiders wouldn't start playing here for another 3 or so years because UNLV's stadium sucks and is barely suited for cfb,let alone the NFL. UNLV also owns the land on which the stadium would be built.
Some of the "in the know" sports figures here have said that the owners would never approve the move due to the stigma of gambling,but others say approval won't be a problem.
The expectation is that Vegas would be a draw for fans of opposing teams. I am curious to see how the locals would support a team. There seems to be a decent base of Raider fans here. I hope it happens. I don't care if we land an NHL team or not.
I thought this had a about a 1% chance of happening when I first heard about it, but now I would say maybe there is a 30% chance.
I don't think the team would have trouble selling tickets. I think a lot of fans of opposing teams would make a trip out there for a road trip to see their team play the Raiders. I would consider it. I would also not be surprised if a lot of East Bay Raider fans would maintain their loyalty to the team.
The question is: If they announce that they are going to move, and get approval to do so, where would they play for the next 3 years while a stadium is being built? You say no stadium in Vegas now is worthy. Would they stay in Oakland? Would they be welcome to stay in Oakland? Would they go elsewhere temporarily. LA? Where would they play? In the Coliseum like the Rams are? The Rose Bowl? Or would they do a temporary stint in San Antonio in the Alamodome? How about Salt Lake? Is there a college stadium there they could use temporarily while they cultivate that market for fans? (That is Bronco territory basically right now). How about London? How about the new Tom Benson Stadium in Canton Ohio next to the PFHOF? (too small....only a bit over 22K capacity)
Where?
I don't think the team would have trouble selling tickets. I think a lot of fans of opposing teams would make a trip out there for a road trip to see their team play the Raiders. I would consider it. I would also not be surprised if a lot of East Bay Raider fans would maintain their loyalty to the team.
The question is: If they announce that they are going to move, and get approval to do so, where would they play for the next 3 years while a stadium is being built? You say no stadium in Vegas now is worthy. Would they stay in Oakland? Would they be welcome to stay in Oakland? Would they go elsewhere temporarily. LA? Where would they play? In the Coliseum like the Rams are? The Rose Bowl? Or would they do a temporary stint in San Antonio in the Alamodome? How about Salt Lake? Is there a college stadium there they could use temporarily while they cultivate that market for fans? (That is Bronco territory basically right now). How about London? How about the new Tom Benson Stadium in Canton Ohio next to the PFHOF? (too small....only a bit over 22K capacity)
Where?
Right now, the plan is for them to be a lame duck team in Oakland for a couple of years while the stadium is built. If the move happens,Davis talked about a preseason game in Sam Boyd Stadium,where UNLV plays,but there aren't plans to play regular season games there. Sam Boyd Stadium sucks and I would equate it to a bad MAC stadium. It's not within walking distance of the Strip,either.
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