On To Las Vegas?
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You get the "thumbs up" which is a bad thing.VesnaKociper said:
Arizona doesn't give me a Bona..................... Vegas does.
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Las Vegas-Henderson, NV-AZ Combined Statistical Area
2,362,015 2,195,401 +7.59%
Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV Metropolitan Statistical Area
Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area
Pahrump, NV Micropolitan Statistical Area
Over 2.3 million actually. They have more than Cincy, and Nashville and 3 other NFL markets.
So, I think they would hold their own.
Us environmentalists are concerned. Once Vegas and Phoenix drain Lake Mead, too bad, so sad. They're already bitching in California over water rights. Kingman is 100 miles away- almost the same distance between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. I suppose you could make the trip in an hour and change driving 90 mph through the Mojave desert.
Us environmentalists are concerned. Once Vegas and Phoenix drain Lake Mead, too bad, so sad. They're already bitching in California over water rights. Kingman is 100 miles away- almost the same distance between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. I suppose you could make the trip in an hour and change driving 90 mph through the Mojave desert.
The times I have traveled through the Mojave, I have done 90.
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Us environmentalists are concerned. Once Vegas and Phoenix drain Lake Mead, too bad, so sad. They're already bitching in California over water rights. Kingman is 100 miles away- almost the same distance between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. I suppose you could make the trip in an hour and change driving 90 mph through the Mojave desert.
The times I have traveled through the Mojave, I have done 90.
The times I have traveled through the Mojave, I have done 90.
LOL Gipper, I was driving 90 and getting passed like I was standing still.
Just one thought Gip- if you want to count Kingman in Las Vegas area, by that standard, Youngstown, Mansfield, and Sandusky count for Cleveland.
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To an uniformed man like myself the first thing that came to mind is suely the ground will be full of away fans on trips every time?
Home fans won't even be half the stadium.
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Davis seems like he genuinely wants to move here. Supposedly remaining in Oakland is off the board and it's either going to be Vegas or Los Angeles. Davis has pledged 500 million(counting on a $200mil loan from the NFL) toward a $1.4B stadium. The LVCVA(Convention Authority) is planning a huge project($2B+) funded by $ from increased hotel room taxes. From what I understand, some of that money will be diverted to funding the stadium. We don't have state taxes here and I think all of the public $ will come from hotel taxes.
The Raiders wouldn't start playing here for another 3 or so years because UNLV's stadium sucks and is barely suited for cfb,let alone the NFL. UNLV also owns the land on which the stadium would be built.
Some of the "in the know" sports figures here have said that the owners would never approve the move due to the stigma of gambling,but others say approval won't be a problem.
The expectation is that Vegas would be a draw for fans of opposing teams. I am curious to see how the locals would support a team. There seems to be a decent base of Raider fans here. I hope it happens. I don't care if we land an NHL team or not.
I thought this had a about a 1% chance of happening when I first heard about it, but now I would say maybe there is a 30% chance.
Davis seems like he genuinely wants to move here. Supposedly remaining in Oakland is off the board and it's either going to be Vegas or Los Angeles. Davis has pledged 500 million(counting on a $200mil loan from the NFL) toward a $1.4B stadium. The LVCVA(Convention Authority) is planning a huge project($2B+) funded by $ from increased hotel room taxes. From what I understand, some of that money will be diverted to funding the stadium. We don't have state taxes here and I think all of the public $ will come from hotel taxes.
The Raiders wouldn't start playing here for another 3 or so years because UNLV's stadium sucks and is barely suited for cfb,let alone the NFL. UNLV also owns the land on which the stadium would be built.
Some of the "in the know" sports figures here have said that the owners would never approve the move due to the stigma of gambling,but others say approval won't be a problem.
The expectation is that Vegas would be a draw for fans of opposing teams. I am curious to see how the locals would support a team. There seems to be a decent base of Raider fans here. I hope it happens. I don't care if we land an NHL team or not.
I thought this had a about a 1% chance of happening when I first heard about it, but now I would say maybe there is a 30% chance.
I don't think the team would have trouble selling tickets. I think a lot of fans of opposing teams would make a trip out there for a road trip to see their team play the Raiders. I would consider it. I would also not be surprised if a lot of East Bay Raider fans would maintain their loyalty to the team.
The question is: If they announce that they are going to move, and get approval to do so, where would they play for the next 3 years while a stadium is being built? You say no stadium in Vegas now is worthy. Would they stay in Oakland? Would they be welcome to stay in Oakland? Would they go elsewhere temporarily. LA? Where would they play? In the Coliseum like the Rams are? The Rose Bowl? Or would they do a temporary stint in San Antonio in the Alamodome? How about Salt Lake? Is there a college stadium there they could use temporarily while they cultivate that market for fans? (That is Bronco territory basically right now). How about London? How about the new Tom Benson Stadium in Canton Ohio next to the PFHOF? (too small....only a bit over 22K capacity)
Where?
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The times I have traveled through the Mojave, I have done 90.
LOL Gipper, I was driving 90 and getting passed like I was standing still.
Just one thought Gip- if you want to count Kingman in Las Vegas area, by that standard, Youngstown, Mansfield, and Sandusky count for Cleveland.
LOL Gipper, I was driving 90 and getting passed like I was standing still.
Just one thought Gip- if you want to count Kingman in Las Vegas area, by that standard, Youngstown, Mansfield, and Sandusky count for Cleveland.
Actually, they may.....see the link in post #18. At least Sandusky is in there.
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To an uniformed man like myself the first thing that came to mind is suely the ground will be full of away fans on trips every time?
Home fans won't even be half the stadium.
To an uniformed man like myself the first thing that came to mind is suely the ground will be full of away fans on trips every time?
Home fans won't even be half the stadium.
Perhaps initially until they really build up their home season ticket base.
But I see nothing wrong with that.
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Davis seems like he genuinely wants to move here. Supposedly remaining in Oakland is off the board and it's either going to be Vegas or Los Angeles. Davis has pledged 500 million(counting on a $200mil loan from the NFL) toward a $1.4B stadium. The LVCVA(Convention Authority) is planning a huge project($2B+) funded by $ from increased hotel room taxes. From what I understand, some of that money will be diverted to funding the stadium. We don't have state taxes here and I think all of the public $ will come from hotel taxes.
The Raiders wouldn't start playing here for another 3 or so years because UNLV's stadium sucks and is barely suited for cfb,let alone the NFL. UNLV also owns the land on which the stadium would be built.
Some of the "in the know" sports figures here have said that the owners would never approve the move due to the stigma of gambling,but others say approval won't be a problem.
The expectation is that Vegas would be a draw for fans of opposing teams. I am curious to see how the locals would support a team. There seems to be a decent base of Raider fans here. I hope it happens. I don't care if we land an NHL team or not.
I thought this had a about a 1% chance of happening when I first heard about it, but now I would say maybe there is a 30% chance.
I don't think the team would have trouble selling tickets. I think a lot of fans of opposing teams would make a trip out there for a road trip to see their team play the Raiders. I would consider it. I would also not be surprised if a lot of East Bay Raider fans would maintain their loyalty to the team.
The question is: If they announce that they are going to move, and get approval to do so, where would they play for the next 3 years while a stadium is being built? You say no stadium in Vegas now is worthy. Would they stay in Oakland? Would they be welcome to stay in Oakland? Would they go elsewhere temporarily. LA? Where would they play? In the Coliseum like the Rams are? The Rose Bowl? Or would they do a temporary stint in San Antonio in the Alamodome? How about Salt Lake? Is there a college stadium there they could use temporarily while they cultivate that market for fans? (That is Bronco territory basically right now). How about London? How about the new Tom Benson Stadium in Canton Ohio next to the PFHOF? (too small....only a bit over 22K capacity)
Where?
I don't think the team would have trouble selling tickets. I think a lot of fans of opposing teams would make a trip out there for a road trip to see their team play the Raiders. I would consider it. I would also not be surprised if a lot of East Bay Raider fans would maintain their loyalty to the team.
The question is: If they announce that they are going to move, and get approval to do so, where would they play for the next 3 years while a stadium is being built? You say no stadium in Vegas now is worthy. Would they stay in Oakland? Would they be welcome to stay in Oakland? Would they go elsewhere temporarily. LA? Where would they play? In the Coliseum like the Rams are? The Rose Bowl? Or would they do a temporary stint in San Antonio in the Alamodome? How about Salt Lake? Is there a college stadium there they could use temporarily while they cultivate that market for fans? (That is Bronco territory basically right now). How about London? How about the new Tom Benson Stadium in Canton Ohio next to the PFHOF? (too small....only a bit over 22K capacity)
Where?
Right now, the plan is for them to be a lame duck team in Oakland for a couple of years while the stadium is built. If the move happens,Davis talked about a preseason game in Sam Boyd Stadium,where UNLV plays,but there aren't plans to play regular season games there. Sam Boyd Stadium sucks and I would equate it to a bad MAC stadium. It's not within walking distance of the Strip,either.
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If Oakland are going to Vegas it needs to be done quickly ...... A little less conversation a little more action is required ...
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I don't think the team would have trouble selling tickets. I think a lot of fans of opposing teams would make a trip out there for a road trip to see their team play the Raiders. I would consider it. I would also not be surprised if a lot of East Bay Raider fans would maintain their loyalty to the team.
The question is: If they announce that they are going to move, and get approval to do so, where would they play for the next 3 years while a stadium is being built? You say no stadium in Vegas now is worthy. Would they stay in Oakland? Would they be welcome to stay in Oakland? Would they go elsewhere temporarily. LA? Where would they play? In the Coliseum like the Rams are? The Rose Bowl? Or would they do a temporary stint in San Antonio in the Alamodome? How about Salt Lake? Is there a college stadium there they could use temporarily while they cultivate that market for fans? (That is Bronco territory basically right now). How about London? How about the new Tom Benson Stadium in Canton Ohio next to the PFHOF? (too small....only a bit over 22K capacity)
Where?
Right now, the plan is for them to be a lame duck team in Oakland for a couple of years while the stadium is built. If the move happens,Davis talked about a preseason game in Sam Boyd Stadium,where UNLV plays,but there aren't plans to play regular season games there. Sam Boyd Stadium sucks and I would equate it to a bad MAC stadium. It's not within walking distance of the Strip,either.
Right now, the plan is for them to be a lame duck team in Oakland for a couple of years while the stadium is built. If the move happens,Davis talked about a preseason game in Sam Boyd Stadium,where UNLV plays,but there aren't plans to play regular season games there. Sam Boyd Stadium sucks and I would equate it to a bad MAC stadium. It's not within walking distance of the Strip,either.
Yea, I don't see the lame duck situation in Oakland as being healthy. That would be like the league having the Browns continue to play in Old Muni Stadium for a couple of years after Modell had announced his intent to move. They need to find an alternative.
I think at this point the Rams would not want another team playing in LA....even temporarily. I think now that they are there, they don'g want to share that market with either the Raiders or Chargers.
A current Non NFL city with an at least adequate stadium could be the best solution. That is why I mentioned San Antonio and the Alamodome...which has a 72,000 capacity. But, Jerry Jones may object to this....he thinks SATX is his territory (but fyi to him.....Houston Texans have been encroaching a lot in SA.....and will continue to do so if they start winning).
Or Salt Lake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice-Eccles_Stadium But this only has a 45,000 capacity. And the Broncos may object ans they consider that their territory.
How about Portland? In checking, nothing there...unless they want to play in a raceway. I don't think that would work so well.
And the Seahawks claim Portland
Sacramento? No, nothing more than about 20,000. But it would be a natural.
Share Levi Stadium with the 49ers? That had been considered before. Not sure the 49ers want that. I suspect them may be happy if the Raiders leave again. Will a lot of Bay Area Raider fans switch allegiance to the 49ers?
How about Tuscon...using the University of Tuscon Stadium? Cardinals would object.
Legion Field in Birmingham Ala? Could be an interesting option. While Alabama is college football all the way, I wonder who the people of Birmingham follow in terms of NFL. They are about equidistant from the Falcons, Saints, and Titans.
Maybe they could go and play for a couple of years in Aloha Stadium in Honolulu? They wouldn't be infringing on any other team's territory. Travel would be an issue....though opposing teams might like to go play there.
I don't know....I think bottom line....the Raiders will have to spend a couple of years playing in Nebraska or Iowa. Then they will have culture shock when they move to Vegas.
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