Three Years Hence draft grades.
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One Post From the Truth said:
Look at the first two picks. OT's. This is why it's a bad thing to draft an OT or O-lineman #1 overall. Yes there are bust at all positions but what production are you going to get from someone who doesn't touch the ball?
So start 11 QBs on offense?
Actually it's a lesson in reaching for an OT when it's a position of need. I have to see both athleticism and signs of technique to consider an OT in R1.
Can't speak to Fischer, but with Joeckel the former was in question when he came out.
More recently there was everyone's Combine dream-date, Greg Robinson. A whole lot of folks were all over this giant athlete whose technique would be coached up at the next level. Someone here (
) warned of that danger.Ditto the above for 2015 wundertackle, Brandon Scherff... who at least came on as an OG... a very pricey, 5th overall OG.
2016? Beware Stanley (technique) and Conklin (athleticism)... Book it!
Tunsil - Decker 2016! Plus a guy named Coleman...
So start 11 QBs on offense?
Actually it's a lesson in reaching for an OT when it's a position of need. I have to see both athleticism and signs of technique to consider an OT in R1.
Can't speak to Fischer, but with Joeckel the former was in question when he came out.
More recently there was everyone's Combine dream-date, Greg Robinson. A whole lot of folks were all over this giant athlete whose technique would be coached up at the next level. Someone here (
) warned of that danger.Ditto the above for 2015 wundertackle, Brandon Scherff... who at least came on as an OG... a very pricey, 5th overall OG.
2016? Beware Stanley (technique) and Conklin (athleticism)... Book it!
Tunsil - Decker 2016! Plus a guy named Coleman...
Sorry, are you saying that those last 3 will be worth it all....or will become bust outs?
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There is an obvious flaw with this. According to the Brownsboard there is no way an Alabama RB can be a good draft pick. We all know we will never even see Derrick Henry running through our defense this Oct. when he will be sitting on the bench.
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Here is the thread I referenced in my last post wherein some entity graded the Browns 2016 draft #1.
Kiper gave the Ravens and Bengals the top grades of an A that year. (He always gives the Ravens an A). In my regrading those teams got B- and C+ respectively.
The best actual drafts: Green Bay and Detroit, he only gave a B to.
I don't know what the analytical sites may have given in grades for 2013. I wonder if those sites even existed then.
Edit note: actually, I see where that site referenced in the other thread also gave Cinci a Top 5 grade in 2013....but that hasn't really panned out that well. Tyler Eifert and Giovani Bernard have had some decent production...but overall their draft didn't grade out all that well.
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Ansah at that time was absolutely not a surefire hit -- he was a project
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Ansah at that time was absolutely not a surefire hit -- he was a project
Ansah at that time was absolutely not a surefire hit -- he was a project
For Ravens Ricky Wagner, Brandon Williams, Matt Elam had some production.
And as noted, the Browns graded out an F.........no wonder, as this was the Mike Lombardi draft. He brought us Barkevious Mingo.
And his first stint here he brought us the stellar choices of Tommy Vardell, Antonio Langham and Craig Powell.
Whose fucking idea was it to bring him back? (I think actually the NFL foisted him upon the Browns and Jimmy Haslam)
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So start 11 QBs on offense?
Actually it's a lesson in reaching for an OT when it's a position of need. I have to see both athleticism and signs of technique to consider an OT in R1.
Can't speak to Fischer, but with Joeckel the former was in question when he came out.
More recently there was everyone's Combine dream-date, Greg Robinson. A whole lot of folks were all over this giant athlete whose technique would be coached up at the next level. Someone here (
) warned of that danger.Ditto the above for 2015 wundertackle, Brandon Scherff... who at least came on as an OG... a very pricey, 5th overall OG.
2016? Beware Stanley (technique) and Conklin (athleticism)... Book it!
Tunsil - Decker 2016! Plus a guy named Coleman...
Sorry, are you saying that those last 3 will be worth it all....or will become bust outs?
Sorry, are you saying that those last 3 will be worth it all....or will become bust outs?
Those three players will be worthy of the place they were drafted.
As for Kiper grades... in part he grades based upon his perception of how well the team filled its needs.
As for the Ravens' 2016 grade... considering the number of picks they started with and the quality of players they landed, especially on Day 2, there is no way I can see how a middling grade is justifiable.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Sorry, are you saying that those last 3 will be worth it all....or will become bust outs?
Those three players will be worthy of the place they were drafted.
As for Kiper grades... in part he grades based upon his perception of how well the team filled its needs.
As for the Ravens' 2016 grade... considering the number of picks they started with and the quality of players they landed, especially on Day 2, there is no way I can see how a middling grade is justifiable.
Those three players will be worthy of the place they were drafted.
As for Kiper grades... in part he grades based upon his perception of how well the team filled its needs.
As for the Ravens' 2016 grade... considering the number of picks they started with and the quality of players they landed, especially on Day 2, there is no way I can see how a middling grade is justifiable.
So, are you saying that the Ravens deserve their A grade because they filled their needs, but the Browns deserve a C grade because they didn't?
Except...of course, in theory the Browns filled their needs every bit as well or better than the Ravens did.
We needed Receivers....Check...got the Biletnikoff winner
We needed pass rushers....Check...got the best in football, plus another DE and OLB to fill that role
We needed a RT....Check...got Shon Coleman
We needed a safety....Check....got Caldwell, who may work out.
We needed an ILB....Check...Got a couple.
We needed a developmental QB.....Check....got Kessler.
Maybe Kiper thought that there was perhaps someone on his board that could have filled these positions better where they were drafted.....but that is all opinion.
And as the title of this thread says.....we have to wait 3 years hence before we can really tell.
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So you have 2 years and 1 months left to argue despite no possibility of resolution....
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So you have 2 years and 1 months left to argue despite no possibility of resolution....
Three years and one month. My grade was after these players being in the league for 3 years.
For what its worth, there are actually an number of first rounders from that 2013 draft that have been bigger busts than Barkevious Mingo, including:
Dion Jordon DE Miami
Dee Milliner DB Jets
Jonathan Cooper OG Cards
Datone Jones DE Packers
EJ Manuel QB Bills
DJ Hayden DB Raiders
Tyler Eifert TE Bengals
Matt Elam DB Ravens
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Tyler Eifert has contributed a tremendous amount more to his team than Mingo
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Tyler Eifert has contributed a tremendous amount more to his team than Mingo
Well, the CA numbers say they have produce equally throughout the years. Perhaps because Eifert is a skill player and has a certain number of catches/yards/TDs that it seems that he has contributed more, but that one stat says that Mingos 7 sacks and 1 career Int. are the equivalent of what Eifert has done.
In three years he has averaged about 31 catches a year for about 340 yards. I am not defending Mingos contributions as being positive....but Eifert may not be all that and a bag of chips either, all things considered.
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Tyler Eifert has contributed a tremendous amount more to his team than Mingo
Well, the CA numbers say they have produce equally throughout the years. Perhaps because Eifert is a skill player and has a certain number of catches/yards/TDs that it seems that he has contributed more, but that one stat says that Mingos 7 sacks and 1 career Int. are the equivalent of what Eifert has done.
In three years he has averaged about 31 catches a year for about 340 yards. I am not defending Mingos contributions as being positive....but Eifert may not be all that and a bag of chips either, all things considered.
True, Eifert just had his first good yearWell, the CA numbers say they have produce equally throughout the years. Perhaps because Eifert is a skill player and has a certain number of catches/yards/TDs that it seems that he has contributed more, but that one stat says that Mingos 7 sacks and 1 career Int. are the equivalent of what Eifert has done.
In three years he has averaged about 31 catches a year for about 340 yards. I am not defending Mingos contributions as being positive....but Eifert may not be all that and a bag of chips either, all things considered.
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The situations were very different, however.
Eifert was injured all of his second season [middle of game1 dislocated elbow] and his first he saw spot duty behind their TE at the time, Jermaine Gresham.
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