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  • What are everyone's opinions on satellite camps? I think they benefit every party involved.

    Michigan has been in the news a lot regarding them. We'll be hosting/attending about 30 of them, including camps in Australia, Hawaii and American Samoa.

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!

  • Hurts the schools in the most talent-rich areas, but who cares. My .02

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  • Ok. What's a satellite camp? You sit around a satellite dish and roast marshmallows on it?

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  • A camp hosted by you that's not on your campus.

  • Saban doesn't appear to be down with them 😆

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  • And Harbaugh called him out on it... I love it

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!

  • I'm in Saban's camp. No one gives a fuck what Harbaugh thinks or tweets.

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    The GipperT MLD WoodyM 2 Replies
  • AxeA Axe

    I'm in Saban's camp. No one gives a fuck what Harbaugh thinks or tweets.

    @axe said:

    I'm in Saban's camp. No one gives a fuck what Harbaugh thinks or tweets.

    Though I don't mind him tweeking Saban and the SEC at all. It is rather entertaining.

  • AxeA Axe

    I'm in Saban's camp. No one gives a fuck what Harbaugh thinks or tweets.

    @axe said:

    I'm in Saban's camp. No one gives a fuck what Harbaugh thinks or tweets.

    That's not Sabans camp. He thinks satellite camps could lead to recruiting violations... While he has been involved in a bunch himself

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @axe said:

    I'm in Saban's camp. No one gives a fuck what Harbaugh thinks or tweets.

    That's not Sabans camp. He thinks satellite camps could lead to recruiting violations... While he has been involved in a bunch himself

    @mld-woody said:

    That's not Sabans camp. He thinks satellite camps could lead to recruiting violations... While he has been involved in a bunch himself

    What he is really worried about is a Harbaugh or Meyer coming into his area and recruiting a player that he may think he has rights over.

    I don't know why he should worry about that though. I think he should worry about the NCAA coming up with an HGH detection method.

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  • Obviously it is about losing talent from your region. But he's going to claim some "moral" position...

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!

  • I just love the implicit concession by the yankees that the best college football talent is down south. Since our teams are filled with talent almost exclusively from here and most of us have little desire to hold satellite camps north of the M-D (we will just to make those teams have to fight in another "theatre," if you will), what does that say about who has the best teams?

    While I'm never a fan of hypocrisy, I'm a fan of zealously fighting for your employer. So if this is Saban's angle, it's fine with me.

    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • Don't worry, the south will rise again... Someday...

    The South has better football weather over the course of the year, more time to play/practice. Also football is more of the primary sport. It makes sense there's more talent down south. I don't think it is as big as some would claim, or that top talent only comes out of the south (#1 player from last year was from NJ, and signed with Michigan).

    Obviously the camps are for recruiting and obviously the south doesn't want to have to compete for these players. The bullshit they've used as an excuse though (coaches want a break, not in the well being of the student, could lead to rule breaking) are all hilarious. Especially coming one the freaking SEC, the Kings of recruiting violations. Saban has no ground to stand on.

    Best teams though? That's a whole other story. We can get into oversigning, roster manipulation and media bias if you'd like to...

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • W wargograw

    I just love the implicit concession by the yankees that the best college football talent is down south. Since our teams are filled with talent almost exclusively from here and most of us have little desire to hold satellite camps north of the M-D (we will just to make those teams have to fight in another "theatre," if you will), what does that say about who has the best teams?

    While I'm never a fan of hypocrisy, I'm a fan of zealously fighting for your employer. So if this is Saban's angle, it's fine with me.

    @wargograw said:

    I just love the implicit concession by the yankees that the best college football talent is down south. Since our teams are filled with talent almost exclusively from here and most of us have little desire to hold satellite camps north of the M-D (we will just to make those teams have to fight in another "theatre," if you will), what does that say about who has the best teams?

    While I'm never a fan of hypocrisy, I'm a fan of zealously fighting for your employer. So if this is Saban's angle, it's fine with me.

    No, it has nothing to do with whether or not the best football talent is down south. That is probably not the case. What the south does have is good weather in the spring compared to up north....and these camps were designed as a bit of a spring break. Now, maybe as an aside there could be some recruiting assistance.

    The reason that southern teams don't want to hold a satellite camp in the north is because they are big pussies that can't stand a little cold weather.

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  • So... A lot of what Gipper just said is wrong. Don't let that district you from wargograw being wrong to begin with

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    So... A lot of what Gipper just said is wrong. Don't let that district you from wargograw being wrong to begin with

    @mld-woody said:

    So... A lot of what Gipper just said is wrong. Don't let that district you from wargograw being wrong to begin with

    Nothing I said is wrong. Teams from the SEC don't want to come and play in cold weather.....when is the last freaking time you saw that happen?

    And do you deny that the south has good spring weather vs. the north?

    As far as the football talent....I think it is debateable.

    MLD WoodyM 1 Reply

  • The camps are in the summer hoss. Not spring. Y'all have bad weather in the summer too? Because it certainly has never prevented any northern school from hosting summer camps on campus.

    You didn't actually disagree with anything I said, Woody. So I'm alright with it. These camps will in fact lead to recruiting violations aplenty, not that I care. I agree it's hypocritical to mention. But Saban's never been busted on anything major. Everyone gets minor violations. Even Michigan. Far as I know, that's all Saban's gotten.

    Edit: I forgot he just got the thing with Bo Davis.

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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mld-woody said:

    So... A lot of what Gipper just said is wrong. Don't let that district you from wargograw being wrong to begin with

    Nothing I said is wrong. Teams from the SEC don't want to come and play in cold weather.....when is the last freaking time you saw that happen?

    And do you deny that the south has good spring weather vs. the north?

    As far as the football talent....I think it is debateable.

    @the-gipper said:

    Nothing I said is wrong. Teams from the SEC don't want to come and play in cold weather.....when is the last freaking time you saw that happen?

    And do you deny that the south has good spring weather vs. the north?

    As far as the football talent....I think it is debateable.

    Most of what you said was wrong.

    You weren't talking about playing games, you were talking about satellite camps.

    - Satellite camps are held in the Spring, and the North has nice weather in the Spring.

    - Teams from down South are participating in satellite camps up North

    Yes, some SEC teams never play above the Mason Dixon. Yes, Bowl Games are rarely in cold weather areas. But, neither of these are satellite camps, which is what you were talking about.

    On the talent aspect, you've already gone from "probably not the case" to "debatable". I'll jump in before you back up any more. Look up any recruiting ranking list or map of the recruits. There is, on average, better/more talent down South. We've gone down this path before though, and I'm sure you'll stick with anecdotal evidence over actual data (ex: Recruiting rankings being an indicator of success, university academic rankings).

    There are a handful of reasons for this. A lot of people live down South, they have more "football weather" per year than the North, football is more of the primary sport there (so more potential athletes), etc.

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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  • W wargograw

    The camps are in the summer hoss. Not spring. Y'all have bad weather in the summer too? Because it certainly has never prevented any northern school from hosting summer camps on campus.

    You didn't actually disagree with anything I said, Woody. So I'm alright with it. These camps will in fact lead to recruiting violations aplenty, not that I care. I agree it's hypocritical to mention. But Saban's never been busted on anything major. Everyone gets minor violations. Even Michigan. Far as I know, that's all Saban's gotten.

    Edit: I forgot he just got the thing with Bo Davis.

    @wargograw said:

    The camps are in the summer hoss. Not spring. Y'all have bad weather in the summer too? Because it certainly has never prevented any northern school from hosting summer camps on campus.

    You didn't actually disagree with anything I said, Woody. So I'm alright with it. These camps will in fact lead to recruiting violations aplenty, not that I care. I agree it's hypocritical to mention. But Saban's never been busted on anything major. Everyone gets minor violations. Even Michigan. Far as I know, that's all Saban's gotten.

    Edit: I forgot he just got the thing with Bo Davis.

    I disagree with you saying the camps will "lead to recruiting violations aplenty". What is even more ridiculous/laughable is the SEC attempting to use this as a reason to try to ban the camps. The SEC is notorious for shady recruiting (and other) tactics. Bama is no different. It is amazing they can be so blind / willfully ignorant in a baseless attempt to try to keep their recruiting advantage. Damn the well being of small colleges, recruits, high school coaches. It is all about the SEC being greedy.

    Hell, Saban has a recruiting rule named after him...

    or this:

    Harbaugh did more than that. He called him out -- a hypocrite, actually. And I'm not sure how anyone can find fault with it.

    Saban -- who has, of course, won four national titles at Alabama -- is literally in the middle of a situation where recruiting violations within his program were found. An assistant coach has been forced to resign and the school currently is awaiting the result of that NCAA investigation.

    And if that were the only thing going on here, it'd probably be enough. But it's not.

    Like in 2009 when a businessman paid for stars Mark Ingram and Julio Jones to go on a fishing trip. Or in 2013 when a former Alabama player was caught giving Tide offensive lineman D.J. Fluker impermissible benefits. Or later that same yearwhen Saban had to fire a staffer after he paid safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix.

    Anyone remember that whole deal about the disassociated Alabama booster who continued to sell signed Crimson Tide merchandise -- from players who still were on the team -- back in 2014?

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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  • and how's the rest of the SEC doing?

    - Tennessee is in the middle of a Title IX Lawsuit that alleges a lot of stuff similar to the Baylor situation

    - Alabama fired an assistant coach because of recruiting violations (we can laugh and pretend he was a rouge agent...)

    - Ole Miss... I mean come on. Did anyone think that recruiting class was legitimate? Of course Tunsil and others got paid. Let's see how these violations shake out

    - Miss St enrolled a 5* recruit that was caught on tape beating a defenseless woman. His ultimate punishment? A 1 game suspension when they play an FCS school.

    But no, Saban is right. Satellite camps are the REAL danger.... fuck him. He's afraid of losing recruits.

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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