Kessler
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From what I've read- that's RG IIIs issue. Plenty of physical talent- but his skill at reading a defense- is, shall we say- lacking. Better learn how to duck too. One more shot on that twice repaired knee will be his last.
Really interesting segment on NFL Live yesterday about RG3 and how he came back year 2 in WSH so full of himself that he called a meeting with the Shannies and told them what changes he wanted in the Offense.
Then when things subsequently went south, how he refused all help trying to get him and the Offense back on track.
If he has been humbled and/or Hue has broken through, then maybe, just maybe, there's a chance he and we see some success.
Really interesting segment on NFL Live yesterday about RG3 and how he came back year 2 in WSH so full of himself that he called a meeting with the Shannies and told them what changes he wanted in the Offense.
Then when things subsequently went south, how he refused all help trying to get him and the Offense back on track.
If he has been humbled and/or Hue has broken through, then maybe, just maybe, there's a chance he and we see some success.
Here's a long, but well-written article that covers the above. Since most won't make it to the end, here's a couple late paragraphs projecting into one of our possible futures...
Once the competition ramps up in training camp, though, Jackson will soon learn that Griffin lacks the pocket presence necessary to protect himself. Think about it: Despite having the full support of the team owner, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2012 draft failed under two head coaches and didn’t appear in a game last year despite being healthy. If Griffin could have still done the job, that wouldn’t have happened.
“He’s just not very good in the pocket,” said a veteran Washington defensive player who requested anonymity. “When you asked him to sit back there and read defenses and dissect things, you could tell it was difficult on him. You could even tell in practice last season, when he was the scout team quarterback going against the first-string defense, it was still moving kind of fast for him. He wasn’t sure where the rush was coming from. He wasn’t quite sure where they [the safeties] were. It’s gonna be hard for him.”
http://theundefeated.com/features/the-puzzling-plummet-of-rgiii/
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Really interesting segment on NFL Live yesterday about RG3 and how he came back year 2 in WSH so full of himself that he called a meeting with the Shannies and told them what changes he wanted in the Offense.
Then when things subsequently went south, how he refused all help trying to get him and the Offense back on track.
If he has been humbled and/or Hue has broken through, then maybe, just maybe, there's a chance he and we see some success.
Here's a long, but well-written article that covers the above. Since most won't make it to the end, here's a couple late paragraphs projecting into one of our possible futures...
Once the competition ramps up in training camp, though, Jackson will soon learn that Griffin lacks the pocket presence necessary to protect himself. Think about it: Despite having the full support of the team owner, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2012 draft failed under two head coaches and didn’t appear in a game last year despite being healthy. If Griffin could have still done the job, that wouldn’t have happened.
“He’s just not very good in the pocket,” said a veteran Washington defensive player who requested anonymity. “When you asked him to sit back there and read defenses and dissect things, you could tell it was difficult on him. You could even tell in practice last season, when he was the scout team quarterback going against the first-string defense, it was still moving kind of fast for him. He wasn’t sure where the rush was coming from. He wasn’t quite sure where they [the safeties] were. It’s gonna be hard for him.”
http://theundefeated.com/features/the-puzzling-plummet-of-rgiii/
Here's a long, but well-written article that covers the above. Since most won't make it to the end, here's a couple late paragraphs projecting into one of our possible futures...
Once the competition ramps up in training camp, though, Jackson will soon learn that Griffin lacks the pocket presence necessary to protect himself. Think about it: Despite having the full support of the team owner, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2012 draft failed under two head coaches and didn’t appear in a game last year despite being healthy. If Griffin could have still done the job, that wouldn’t have happened.
“He’s just not very good in the pocket,” said a veteran Washington defensive player who requested anonymity. “When you asked him to sit back there and read defenses and dissect things, you could tell it was difficult on him. You could even tell in practice last season, when he was the scout team quarterback going against the first-string defense, it was still moving kind of fast for him. He wasn’t sure where the rush was coming from. He wasn’t quite sure where they [the safeties] were. It’s gonna be hard for him.”
http://theundefeated.com/features/the-puzzling-plummet-of-rgiii/
Good article Tour. It's part of my concerns about RG III also. If you can't read a defense- it's going to be sooner rather than later that we see Kessler in action. Unless Hue wants to use McCown as the backup pinata this year. Fer sure, we're not keeping 5 quarterbacks on the roster, I won't speculate at this point who's getting shown the door.
That wasn't the only article I've read detailing the reasons why Griffin got benched in favor of Cousins. Humility may be great- but I'm not sure deciding to be coachable is going to be enough to turn his career around. Robert has one thing going for him- fan expectations for this season couldn't be much lower.
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Mousy. Decent rack, but mousy.
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Er am gerd. I'd smell a mile of her shit just to get a peek at the butthole.
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Lol!
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You wouldn't know what to do Gip, you'd throw a hip.
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You wouldn't know what to do Gip, you'd throw a hip.
I would give it the old college try.
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Here's a long, but well-written article that covers the above. Since most won't make it to the end, here's a couple late paragraphs projecting into one of our possible futures...
Once the competition ramps up in training camp, though, Jackson will soon learn that Griffin lacks the pocket presence necessary to protect himself. Think about it: Despite having the full support of the team owner, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2012 draft failed under two head coaches and didn’t appear in a game last year despite being healthy. If Griffin could have still done the job, that wouldn’t have happened.
“He’s just not very good in the pocket,” said a veteran Washington defensive player who requested anonymity. “When you asked him to sit back there and read defenses and dissect things, you could tell it was difficult on him. You could even tell in practice last season, when he was the scout team quarterback going against the first-string defense, it was still moving kind of fast for him. He wasn’t sure where the rush was coming from. He wasn’t quite sure where they [the safeties] were. It’s gonna be hard for him.”
http://theundefeated.com/features/the-puzzling-plummet-of-rgiii/
Good article Tour. It's part of my concerns about RG III also. If you can't read a defense- it's going to be sooner rather than later that we see Kessler in action. Unless Hue wants to use McCown as the backup pinata this year. Fer sure, we're not keeping 5 quarterbacks on the roster, I won't speculate at this point who's getting shown the door.
That wasn't the only article I've read detailing the reasons why Griffin got benched in favor of Cousins. Humility may be great- but I'm not sure deciding to be coachable is going to be enough to turn his career around. Robert has one thing going for him- fan expectations for this season couldn't be much lower.
Good article Tour. It's part of my concerns about RG III also. If you can't read a defense- it's going to be sooner rather than later that we see Kessler in action. Unless Hue wants to use McCown as the backup pinata this year. Fer sure, we're not keeping 5 quarterbacks on the roster, I won't speculate at this point who's getting shown the door.
That wasn't the only article I've read detailing the reasons why Griffin got benched in favor of Cousins. Humility may be great- but I'm not sure deciding to be coachable is going to be enough to turn his career around. Robert has one thing going for him- fan expectations for this season couldn't be much lower.
I think a lot of folks forget that lil Gruden preceded Hue as Cinci's OC and oversaw a good chunk of Dalton's development before going to WSH and deciding that franchise's QB future.
That Hue had Andy on a path to his best season is undeniable, but how much was due to coaching him up vs. play design and calling is debatable. Play simplification and the judicious use of the read option certainly helped propel 2015.
The above certainly promotes the hope that Hue can wring more production out of RG3 than Jay did, but the source of that production would likely be a result of play calling. It is not as if the Shannies and Gruden were not coaching Defense reading these past 4 years.
Just as I argued for Goff vs. the rest of the 2016 QB class, that Jared had the "sight" was obvious. Those that drooled over others' physicality, others who did not display the "sight", seemed to all assume that coaching would produce it. It just doesn't reliably do so. Coaching can enhance it... refine it... but it just doesn't bring it into being from nothing... not often anyway.
That in 4 years of pro coaching RG3 has not gained the sight does not bode well for it happening now.
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Good article Tour. It's part of my concerns about RG III also. If you can't read a defense- it's going to be sooner rather than later that we see Kessler in action. Unless Hue wants to use McCown as the backup pinata this year. Fer sure, we're not keeping 5 quarterbacks on the roster, I won't speculate at this point who's getting shown the door.
That wasn't the only article I've read detailing the reasons why Griffin got benched in favor of Cousins. Humility may be great- but I'm not sure deciding to be coachable is going to be enough to turn his career around. Robert has one thing going for him- fan expectations for this season couldn't be much lower.
I think a lot of folks forget that lil Gruden preceded Hue as Cinci's OC and oversaw a good chunk of Dalton's development before going to WSH and deciding that franchise's QB future.
That Hue had Andy on a path to his best season is undeniable, but how much was due to coaching him up vs. play design and calling is debatable. Play simplification and the judicious use of the read option certainly helped propel 2015.
The above certainly promotes the hope that Hue can wring more production out of RG3 than Jay did, but the source of that production would likely be a result of play calling. It is not as if the Shannies and Gruden were not coaching Defense reading these past 4 years.
Just as I argued for Goff vs. the rest of the 2016 QB class, that Jared had the "sight" was obvious. Those that drooled over others' physicality, others who did not display the "sight", seemed to all assume that coaching would produce it. It just doesn't reliably do so. Coaching can enhance it... refine it... but it just doesn't bring it into being from nothing... not often anyway.
That in 4 years of pro coaching RG3 has not gained the sight does not bode well for it happening now.
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If RG3 is a dumpster fire, we will know it early on and the team will have the draft currency to move up and get their guy next year. Hue may be happy with Kessler by then and moving up won't have to happen.
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Who cares if RG3 sucks? If he does, we see Kessler and/or get the guy we want next year. It's a win-win.
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Not exactly an impressive resume...
Here's the link to the start of the "slide show"...
Who cares if RG3 sucks? If he does, we see Kessler and/or get the guy we want next year. It's a win-win.
Not the point... simply debating proper expectation level.
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Yes, my point is there is no proper expectation.
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From what I've read- that's RG IIIs issue. Plenty of physical talent- but his skill at reading a defense- is, shall we say- lacking. Better learn how to duck too. One more shot on that twice repaired knee will be his last.
Really interesting segment on NFL Live yesterday about RG3 and how he came back year 2 in WSH so full of himself that he called a meeting with the Shannies and told them what changes he wanted in the Offense.
Then when things subsequently went south, how he refused all help trying to get him and the Offense back on track.
If he has been humbled and/or Hue has broken through, then maybe, just maybe, there's a chance he and we see some success.
Really interesting segment on NFL Live yesterday about RG3 and how he came back year 2 in WSH so full of himself that he called a meeting with the Shannies and told them what changes he wanted in the Offense.
Then when things subsequently went south, how he refused all help trying to get him and the Offense back on track.
If he has been humbled and/or Hue has broken through, then maybe, just maybe, there's a chance he and we see some success.
Interesting! The guy definitely needed to be humbled. Here's an article specifically about that meeting from Mike Shanahan's perspective that may differ from the angle the NFL Live wanted to portray. He felt RG3 was only puppeting what the Owner Daniel Snyder wanted.
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/redskins-owner-dan-snyder-used-135700698.html
Here's part of the link:
“When Robert is standing there going through all of that, I know it’s coming from Dan,” Shanahan said. “When Robert talked about ‘unacceptable,’ that was a word Dan used all the time. He was using phrases Dan used all the time. There’s only one way a guy who’s going into his second year would do something like this: If he sat down with the owner and the owner believed that this is the way he should be used.
“He had to have the full support of the owner and, in my opinion, the general manager to even have a conversation like that. He just had the best year for a rookie QB in the history of the game. You got selected to the Pro Bowl. We went to the playoffs. We tried to get him to slide. We tried to get him to throw the ball away. If he had told me he was hurt, I would have taken him out of the [playoff] game. To hear him … it was really incredible.”
Shanahan said earlier in the article that he thought spending all of the draft picks on Griffin was "absolutely crazy" and that the decision came strictly from Snyder. Shanahan said he headed straight to Snyder's office after Griffin's meeting and told him "Do you realize what you’re doing to this kid?"
The fact Snyder used Griffin as a puppet to get what he wanted was unfair to the young player. The Baylor product wasn't a developed passer at the time, and forcing him to be one was only going to hurt him.
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