Let's Look Seriously at WR
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Well they had a bone for RG3 and Kaepernick...
WSS
Steve,
While both those guys have to make changes, neither has the baggage JG has. No comparison.
We'll just have to wait & see what happens.
Steve,
While both those guys have to make changes, neither has the baggage JG has. No comparison.
We'll just have to wait & see what happens.
Yes there is a difference but I prefer simple stupidity to team cancer.
But both attitudes need to be adjusted.
WSS
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Steve,
While both those guys have to make changes, neither has the baggage JG has. No comparison.
We'll just have to wait & see what happens.
Yes there is a difference but I prefer simple stupidity to team cancer.
But both attitudes need to be adjusted.
WSS
Yes there is a difference but I prefer simple stupidity to team cancer.
But both attitudes need to be adjusted.
WSS
When Kapernick's name came up, I puked in my own mouth and hoped it didn't happen.
Griffin, I welcomed. I believe he's a good guy that went through a humbling experience last year. So far I'm seeing pictures of him with his teammates all over town supporting Cleveland and charities. I've seen the Browns drop down in the draft instead of grabbing a franchise QB.
Grif never bad-mouthed the Redskins, or his coach, once last year. Showed up to every game and was a good teammate.
I think that attitude has already been adjusted.
Zombo
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ALL RG III needs is a QB whisperer. The talent has been there all along. The coaching has not been there in the past. I like our chances.
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Getting a playmaker like Coleman makes a lot of sense, but make no mistake about it, if other rookie WR's have a better rookie season, Hue Jackson and Sashi will immediately be under the fire. Coleman makes sense because he fills the speed void left by Benji, he can be used in a variety of ways (reverses, bubble screens, quick hitch, even the running the ball), and he has obvious big play potential. Something that our team sorely lacks.
Problem is, we could've really used what Treadwell and Doctson brought to the table as well. This was a ballsy pick, and the fans and media won't waste any time before letting Hue and Sashi have it if the other guys blow up. It might not be fair, but you know how it is.
Coaches tend to keep the guys they drafted over the previous holdovers, so I would expect several of the other guys to be cut before long. This will probably happen before the preseason which would give the departed players a chance to catch on with somebody else. Hue has already said he has an affinity for Terrell Pryor, so he'll have every chance to prove he can deliver. Can he run routes? Secure the ball? Run after the catch? Block? Become a red zone target? I like the fact that Hue is an offensive coach, and my HOPE is that Terrell can be more of a TE than a true WR. Remember what Eiffert was in the red zone for the Bengals? Yeah, I'd like about HALF of that from Pryor. He has the physical ability, and perhaps Barnidge can draw attention away from him.
Taylor Gabriel was a tremendous disappointment last season, and this after he showed so much promise his rookie season. He didn't get open, never made the big play, and just didn't get it done. I also believe he had a few killer drops, but I could be mistaken.
Andrew Hawkins wasn't the same either, and I'm not sure if it was because of injuries or what, but he just couldn't recapture the magic. He's small and no spring chicken. I would tab him and Gabriel as the most likely guys to be let go. Both our little guys MUST show something in OTA's in order to make the roster.
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Not only am I not planning on having Gordon back, will he REALLY fit the mold of the type player this FO & Coaching staff want? I, for one, seriously doubt it.
Will he stay out of trouble? Learn the playbook? Give 100% on ALL plays? Associate with good people?...I rest my case.
Mike
Not only am I not planning on having Gordon back, will he REALLY fit the mold of the type player this FO & Coaching staff want? I, for one, seriously doubt it.
Will he stay out of trouble? Learn the playbook? Give 100% on ALL plays? Associate with good people?...I rest my case.
Mike
What serious thing did Gordon do wrong? Smoke a little weed.
FYI, in my position I punish people for doing weed....at least for possessing it. The consequences? A $75.00 fine.
I Ohio this may even go by the wayside perhaps as soon as next year. Yet the NFL thinks it is so serious that it costs a guy 2 years of his career.
I predict that within a few years the NFL will not even test for pot.
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4 that interest me, other than the obvious ones (alphabetically):
Rashard Higgins
Kenny Lawler
Malcolm Mitchell (could be a late 4th round bargain due to injury history)
Jordan Payton
Mike
4 that interest me, other than the obvious ones (alphabetically):
Rashard Higgins
Kenny Lawler
Malcolm Mitchell (could be a late 4th round bargain due to injury history)
Jordan Payton
Mike
Blimey
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If Gordon is able to play why wouldn't this staff atleast want him on the roster? Not only have we seen his potential. His contract is really cheap. If he messes up then oh well. But we can't just cut him before anything is 100%.
I did not say cut him, did I? What I DID was question whether or not he would fit the mold of the type player this FO & Coaching staff wants...that is, high character players who love the game & will give it their all. I haven't seen that yet from JG, so "we'll see".
Mike
I did not say cut him, did I? What I DID was question whether or not he would fit the mold of the type player this FO & Coaching staff wants...that is, high character players who love the game & will give it their all. I haven't seen that yet from JG, so "we'll see".
Mike
I didn't say you said that. It doesn't hurt having him on the roster as of now. He is under a cheap contract with a lot of potential. Oh that's our mold? Haha. I wasn't aware that generic response was our mold. That can be said about every team. The only mold I see is they want to play young. Gordon obviously has a problem with staying clean. But we would be fools to give up on him at this moment. That's my opinion.
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Not only am I not planning on having Gordon back, will he REALLY fit the mold of the type player this FO & Coaching staff want? I, for one, seriously doubt it.
Will he stay out of trouble? Learn the playbook? Give 100% on ALL plays? Associate with good people?...I rest my case.
Mike
What serious thing did Gordon do wrong? Smoke a little weed.
FYI, in my position I punish people for doing weed....at least for possessing it. The consequences? A $75.00 fine.
I Ohio this may even go by the wayside perhaps as soon as next year. Yet the NFL thinks it is so serious that it costs a guy 2 years of his career.
I predict that within a few years the NFL will not even test for pot.
What serious thing did Gordon do wrong? Smoke a little weed.
FYI, in my position I punish people for doing weed....at least for possessing it. The consequences? A $75.00 fine.
I Ohio this may even go by the wayside perhaps as soon as next year. Yet the NFL thinks it is so serious that it costs a guy 2 years of his career.
I predict that within a few years the NFL will not even test for pot.
Agreed. These guys already saying he lacks passion for the game. Is a knucklehead. Get red ass because he hangs out with JM. Yet so does Von Miller. And he's a pretty alright player I guess.
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Getting a playmaker like Coleman makes a lot of sense, but make no mistake about it, if other rookie WR's have a better rookie season, Hue Jackson and Sashi will immediately be under the fire. Coleman makes sense because he fills the speed void left by Benji, he can be used in a variety of ways (reverses, bubble screens, quick hitch, even the running the ball), and he has obvious big play potential. Something that our team sorely lacks.
Problem is, we could've really used what Treadwell and Doctson brought to the table as well. This was a ballsy pick, and the fans and media won't waste any time before letting Hue and Sashi have it if the other guys blow up. It might not be fair, but you know how it is.
Coaches tend to keep the guys they drafted over the previous holdovers, so I would expect several of the other guys to be cut before long. This will probably happen before the preseason which would give the departed players a chance to catch on with somebody else. Hue has already said he has an affinity for Terrell Pryor, so he'll have every chance to prove he can deliver. Can he run routes? Secure the ball? Run after the catch? Block? Become a red zone target? I like the fact that Hue is an offensive coach, and my HOPE is that Terrell can be more of a TE than a true WR. Remember what Eiffert was in the red zone for the Bengals? Yeah, I'd like about HALF of that from Pryor. He has the physical ability, and perhaps Barnidge can draw attention away from him.
Taylor Gabriel was a tremendous disappointment last season, and this after he showed so much promise his rookie season. He didn't get open, never made the big play, and just didn't get it done. I also believe he had a few killer drops, but I could be mistaken.
Andrew Hawkins wasn't the same either, and I'm not sure if it was because of injuries or what, but he just couldn't recapture the magic. He's small and no spring chicken. I would tab him and Gabriel as the most likely guys to be let go. Both our little guys MUST show something in OTA's in order to make the roster.
Also agree... or at least hope Gip is right about the continued move towards legalization.
One thing that has emerged is player use of THC as an aid in their weekly recovery from game days' inevitable sprains and pains.
Taylor Gabriel was a tremendous disappointment last season, and this after he showed so much promise his rookie season. He didn't get open, never made the big play, and just didn't get it done. I also believe he had a few killer drops, but I could be mistaken.Andrew Hawkins wasn't the same either, and I'm not sure if it was because of injuries or what, but he just couldn't recapture the magic. He's small and no spring chicken. I would tab him and Gabriel as the most likely guys to be let go. Both our little guys MUST show something in OTA's in order to make the roster.
Not sure about Gabe... feel he is simply not the talent we had believed, but I think Hawk really missed a #1 WR, which in 2014 was Miles Austin by default. Plus Hawk was the kind of quick, precise, short-area WR Hoyer needed to be effective.
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Garbriel - poor man's andrew hawkins. Keep one, but not both. I'm guessing he ends up odd man out (one of many probably) when it comes to roster cuts. Too many shifty slot guys around to keep him as well.
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Hawkins over Gabriel. Don't know if we keep both Hawk and Hartline ... if there is a lot of growth with Pryor, one of them is probably gone as well.
1. Coleman
2. Hartline 3. Hawkins 4. Gabriel
5. Moore 6. Pryor
7. Louis 8. Payton 9. Higgins
If we keep six then I need to cut one of row 2, one of row 3, and one of row four goes to IR or practice squad
1. Coleman
2. Hartline 3. Hawkins 4 Gabriel
4. Moore 5 Pryor
5. Louis 6. Payton 9 Higgins
Jennings in the mix too. I am keeping Moore for special teams, and he was OK as a receiver when he played too. Now if Pryor comes on, that would seemingly be curtains for another veteran, Hartline or Hawkins.
If we keep all the rookies and everyone stays healthy, it is a crowded house, perhaps only two veterans (rows 2 and 3) survive.
Z
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If I do the same as you Zombo, I put Pryor and Hartline in the same category, and probably Moore with Louis (who could be a good return guy).
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Going to go with this draft's youth... no reason not to. Plus a couple vets with concussion issues in 2015 are a reason to do so. So start with the new 4 plus 2... likely one of the taller persuasion and one of the diminutive variety.
Of the former...
- Big issue I see with Pryor is crispness of his cuts... harder for tall, lanky WRs and even harder for ones who are also long striders.
- Hartline might stick as the "veteran presence".
Of the latter...
- I think Gabe and Jennings are basically the same player, but Jennings to my eye seems more "electric".
- I don't see STs helping Moore enough as we have younger options.
- Missing half of 2015 does not bode well for Hawk.
I seem to remember someone here wanting to trade Hawk after his "breakout" year in 2014. Damn that guy is prescient...
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One thing to remember for Pryor is his familiarity with Hue Jackson's offense and ability to be an emergency QB. I'm betting if he makes the roster we only carry 2 QBs, Griffin and Kessler. It would also mean probably seven receivers.
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One thing to remember for Pryor is his familiarity with Hue Jackson's offense and ability to be an emergency QB. I'm betting if he makes the roster we only carry 2 QBs, Griffin and Kessler. It would also mean probably seven receivers.
Well he has spoken highly of Pryor in the past. I wonder why his quarterback Whispering skills failed in that particular instance.One thing to remember for Pryor is his familiarity with Hue Jackson's offense and ability to be an emergency QB. I'm betting if he makes the roster we only carry 2 QBs, Griffin and Kessler. It would also mean probably seven receivers.
WSS
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Well he has spoken highly of Pryor in the past. I wonder why his quarterback Whispering skills failed in that particular instance.One thing to remember for Pryor is his familiarity with Hue Jackson's offense and ability to be an emergency QB. I'm betting if he makes the roster we only carry 2 QBs, Griffin and Kessler. It would also mean probably seven receivers.
WSS
Well he has spoken highly of Pryor in the past. I wonder why his quarterback Whispering skills failed in that particular instance.
WSS
Perhaps Pryor's downturn at the QB spot came after Jackson left the Raiders. I think that is the case.
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VesnaKociper said:
I know you guys hate it when I talk football, but bear with me, then I will go back to blending football with Ghoulardi and pissing you pussies off.
I am also one who believe pot is a an absolutely banal, idiotic, meaningless substance to even give a flying fuck about. I never used it, although I took I hit maybe 3 times in my life. I smoke cigars, so it isn't like I am some fucking prude. I just don't think pot is a big deal. A lot of my college buddies were pot heads and not one of them "gateway'd into more powerful drugs.
Even if Gordon played for the Steelers, I would view this as him getting fucked.
There is absolutely no correlation between a man's recreational activities and his job. This fucking nation has gone nuts with liberal political correctness.
Liberal? They are the ones trying to get the stuff legalized. It is the reactionary, rightwing, redneck Retards who are holding back legalization and imposing these absurd workplace rules for people whom it doesn't matter. Its not like these guys are airline pilots, bus drivers, emts, cops, etc. all of which is understandable. These are entertainers.
Maybe we should ban Ty Cobb and Ruth for being known drunks? What about a guy who cheats on his wife? I am sure the NFL is full of those. I hope many who fuck Godells whore wife. But I digress.
I find the entire drug thing to be hypocrisy. There is no way any athlete in the NFL can compete without enhancing drugs. Steroids are no longer needed as you can get a direct injection of T, which is the point of steroids.
Let these mother fuckers play football. Let them juice, let them get high, let them fuck each other in the ass until their homosexual, perverted cocks rot off. Who cares? They get paid to play football.
Otherwise I pretty much agree with you.
I said it before and will say it again. The ancient Romans had professional sports down to perfection. The Gladiator got riches, accolades, pussy and respect. Once he got slow and old, he became sport and drew cheers as he took his turn getting fucked up. Caesar never asked a gladiator to represent the city.
Let Gordon play.
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Well he has spoken highly of Pryor in the past. I wonder why his quarterback Whispering skills failed in that particular instance.
WSS
Perhaps Pryor's downturn at the QB spot came after Jackson left the Raiders. I think that is the case.
Perhaps Pryor's downturn at the QB spot came after Jackson left the Raiders. I think that is the case.
Not likely since Pryor has never taken a snap for Hue... either as OC or HC.
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Perhaps Pryor's downturn at the QB spot came after Jackson left the Raiders. I think that is the case.
Not likely since Pryor has never taken a snap for Hue... either as OC or HC.
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OK, I knew that Hue was HC for the Raiders and that Pryor played for the Raiders. Wasn't sure what the timing was on that.
Pryor was on the roster all year, but was red-shirted behind Campbell/Palmer with the the legendary Kyle Boller as the #2.
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