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  • Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but I do seem to recall plenty of people saying things like "other countries need to take the lead" and "why should we always be the world police" - now that might be happening, people are still complaining?

    @gftchris said:

    Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but I do seem to recall plenty of people saying things like "other countries need to take the lead" and "why should we always be the world police" - now that might be happening, people are still complaining?

    People aren't complaining, they're voting for Trump enthusiastically who talks about everybody not paying their fair share and cooperating with Russia.

  • Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but I do seem to recall plenty of people saying things like "other countries need to take the lead" and "why should we always be the world police" - now that might be happening, people are still complaining?

    @gftchris said:

    Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but I do seem to recall plenty of people saying things like "other countries need to take the lead" and "why should we always be the world police" - now that might be happening, people are still complaining?

    Ironically that was one of the sociological points in A Clockwork Orange.

    Breakdown of English society and spread of Russian influence. The younger generation adding more and more Russian words to their slang? (Ohio natives in East Ohio wearing Steelers shirt?) Anyway if Americans are tired being the world's policeman then someone else will step up.

    Personally I prefer to be a world power. Not everyone agrees.

    WSS

  • It's possible to be a world power without always resorting to military interventions.

  • Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but I do seem to recall plenty of people saying things like "other countries need to take the lead" and "why should we always be the world police" - now that might be happening, people are still complaining?

    @gftchris said:

    Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but I do seem to recall plenty of people saying things like "other countries need to take the lead" and "why should we always be the world police" - now that might be happening, people are still complaining?

    Stuart

    I actually can agree with other countries taking the lead, and am glad Russia did what it did....but part of my point in the OP was strictly about the kid gloves approach our military is being forced to take evident by the stark contrast in kills between Russia and the U.S.

    God forbid Israel takes the lead to you liberals though, you get your panties all knotted up even when they defend themselves.

  • Stuart

    An interesting video on why America should be the worlds policeman.

  • It's possible to be a world power without always resorting to military interventions.

    @gftchris said:

    It's possible to be a world power without always resorting to military interventions.

    Always?

    I suppose. But as you know I don't like using terms like always or never.

    But military superiority is good to have when you need it.

    WSS

  • So RT is basically CNN or the New York Times?

    πŸ™‚

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So RT is basically CNN or the New York Times?

    πŸ™‚

    WSS

    Think more like Al Jazeera but I get where you are going haha.

  • We shouldn't be the world's police. There are only a few instances of the locals being keen on us protecting them. Thus, fuck them. Become a U.S. citizen and we will protect you.

  • We can support our allies, but basically none of our NATO allies pay the 2% GDP requirement on self defense.

    They need to be willing to help themselves

  • It is indeed, but it's not always necessary to use it for people to know it. In this case, you can let other countries take some of the slack. The US and (and the UK in part) have been leading this fight for too long. And yes, our hands have been tied somewhat by our civility, by which, as has been pointed out the russians are not constrained. Perhaps now Daesh will start attacking Russia? Perhaps not, they have a lot in common after all.

  • It is indeed, but it's not always necessary to use it for people to know it. In this case, you can let other countries take some of the slack. The US and (and the UK in part) have been leading this fight for too long. And yes, our hands have been tied somewhat by our civility, by which, as has been pointed out the russians are not constrained. Perhaps now Daesh will start attacking Russia? Perhaps not, they have a lot in common after all.

    @gftchris said:

    Perhaps now Daesh will start attacking Russia? Perhaps not, they have a lot in common after all.

    It's pretty dumb to compare Isis to Russia, tbh. Russians have a strong nationalist sense and despite being tough/brutal they tend to do what they think is best for their country/people.

    If they try to attack the Russian homeland they'll get shut the fuck down, they'll get given free housing, food, and health care from the US and European countries as they plan their attacks on our homeland.

    But the fact is there's been far more terrorist attacks in Europe lately and those are the countries using the pussy green environment-friendly warfare. As well as giving them housing and all that stuff.

  • What I meant by the comparison is the dictatorial, no tolerance for anything remotely different, plus very anti gay/equality/whatever.

    Vodka of course is a big separator.

  • We can support our allies, but basically none of our NATO allies pay the 2% GDP requirement on self defense.

    They need to be willing to help themselves

    @bbedward said:

    We can support our allies, but basically none of our NATO allies pay the 2% GDP requirement on self defense.

    They need to be willing to help themselves

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

    There's the UK at 2%, and, um, South Korea's the only country I'd called first world on there, and they have their own noisy neighbours to worry about.

  • I love how people piss on anything russian until its something that again fits some kind of preconceived narrative.

    Russia probably is killing alot of people in syria. Is carpet bombing neighborhoods where theres a few isis giys the right call? It just causes more shit down the road. I frankly would let russia have the middle east. Give em that shitcake. I hate everybody in tjat whole region

  • @bbedward said:

    We can support our allies, but basically none of our NATO allies pay the 2% GDP requirement on self defense.

    They need to be willing to help themselves

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

    There's the UK at 2%, and, um, South Korea's the only country I'd called first world on there, and they have their own noisy neighbours to worry about.

    @gftchris said:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

    There's the UK at 2%, and, um, South Korea's the only country I'd called first world on there, and they have their own noisy neighbours to worry about.

    The point still stands - we invest a lot in Japan and Germany and such, for really nothing and they bend us over in trade.

    The US has a lot of problems - old infrastructure, lots of people out of work, lots of people without health care, people who can't afford education. We spend too much on being the world's police, maybe you guys can turn to Russia for some help πŸ˜‰

    @clevfan4life said:

    I love how people piss on anything russian until its something that again fits some kind of preconceived narrative.

    Russia probably is killing alot of people in syria. Is carpet bombing neighborhoods where theres a few isis giys the right call? It just causes more shit down the road. I frankly would let russia have the middle east. Give em that shitcake. I hate everybody in tjat whole region

    That would be ideal. We needed to stop fucking around over there like 30 years ago.

    We don't give 3 fucks about it except for any of them having nuclear capability and getting taken over by Jihadists or whatever - Europe cares much more about it since they're across the pond.

    The only reason we're fighting Assad (and Russia by proxy) in Syria is because Europe wants the Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline to reduce their reliance on Russia.

  • England can just pay everyone in mayo. " here matey have some condiments that's what you deserve for getting us out of two world wars!"

  • @gftchris said:

    It's possible to be a world power without always resorting to military interventions.

    Always?

    I suppose. But as you know I don't like using terms like always or never.

    But military superiority is good to have when you need it.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Always?

    I suppose. But as you know I don't like using terms like always or never.

    But military superiority is good to have when you need it.

    WSS

    In a six month span the US, under the Paul Ryan/Obama budget agreement added another trillion to the national debt. Remember when, at the height of the Iraq adventure we were adding 500 billion in a year and the Democrats were screaming that it was "criminal" (including then Senator Obama)

    We add a trillion dollars in debt in six months time, while the IRS is taking in record amount of tax collection money two years in a row.

    We have things to fix if we want to keep presenting such a big military.

    Or we could trim the military along with other things.....

  • @westside-steve said:

    Always?

    I suppose. But as you know I don't like using terms like always or never.

    But military superiority is good to have when you need it.

    WSS

    In a six month span the US, under the Paul Ryan/Obama budget agreement added another trillion to the national debt. Remember when, at the height of the Iraq adventure we were adding 500 billion in a year and the Democrats were screaming that it was "criminal" (including then Senator Obama)

    We add a trillion dollars in debt in six months time, while the IRS is taking in record amount of tax collection money two years in a row.

    We have things to fix if we want to keep presenting such a big military.

    Or we could trim the military along with other things.....

    @mohican said:

    In a six month span the US, under the Paul Ryan/Obama budget agreement added another trillion to the national debt. Remember when, at the height of the Iraq adventure we were adding 500 billion in a year and the Democrats were screaming that it was "criminal" (including then Senator Obama)

    We add a trillion dollars in debt in six months time, while the IRS is taking in record amount of tax collection money two years in a row.

    We have things to fix if we want to keep presenting such a big military.

    Or we could trim the military along with other things.....

    Sources?

  • @westside-steve said:

    Always?

    I suppose. But as you know I don't like using terms like always or never.

    But military superiority is good to have when you need it.

    WSS

    In a six month span the US, under the Paul Ryan/Obama budget agreement added another trillion to the national debt. Remember when, at the height of the Iraq adventure we were adding 500 billion in a year and the Democrats were screaming that it was "criminal" (including then Senator Obama)

    We add a trillion dollars in debt in six months time, while the IRS is taking in record amount of tax collection money two years in a row.

    We have things to fix if we want to keep presenting such a big military.

    Or we could trim the military along with other things.....

    @mohican said:

    In a six month span the US, under the Paul Ryan/Obama budget agreement added another trillion to the national debt. Remember when, at the height of the Iraq adventure we were adding 500 billion in a year and the Democrats were screaming that it was "criminal" (including then Senator Obama)

    We add a trillion dollars in debt in six months time, while the IRS is taking in record amount of tax collection money two years in a row.

    We have things to fix if we want to keep presenting such a big military.

    Or we could trim the military along with other things.....

    Thats amazing. It really leads you to wonder what they're doing with it all. It cant be military and entitlements blah blah blah....theres something else going on,