Where the Hunt begins on Defense at Training Camp
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Is Ogbah going to be an LB....or a DE.....or more likely...a Hybrid?
Is Ogbah going to be an LB....or a DE.....or more likely...a Hybrid?
Elephant spot. He'll be coached on playing a 2pt LB spot. However I'm sure he'll be brought along slowly so I'd expect him to get looks at the 3pt as well.
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Good topic.
Really like the idea of you mentioning Hortons defense. I believe there will be some surprises come Aug of who's on the roster and who isn't.
What is intriguing about the defense is the safety position. You guys know more about the Browns than I do so I'll continue reading.
One Post From the Truth said:
Good topic.
Really like the idea of you mentioning Hortons defense. I believe there will be some surprises come Aug of who's on the roster and who isn't.
What is intriguing about the defense is the safety position. You guys know more about the Browns than I do so I'll continue reading.
Thanks! Don't worry about how much you know or don't know - that never stops Ghoolie. He must think the day he finally gets something right - the mods are going to give him a new pair of blue jeans with the front pockets cut out so he can take inventory every time he thinks about Ben Roethlisberger.
Interesting point about Safety being a position of intrigue for you. If Horton got his NFL Diploma from the LeBeau Institute of Defense - Safety will definitely be a position to watch. TJ Ward made the Pro Bowl here in 2013 when Horton was the DC. Back in Pittsburgh, Pollyneedsahaircut used to frequent Pro Bowls in a zone blitz scheme that counted on him to be their gridiron chess Queen attacking from anywhere, advertised or unadvertised.
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One Post From the Truth said:
Good topic.
Really like the idea of you mentioning Hortons defense. I believe there will be some surprises come Aug of who's on the roster and who isn't.
What is intriguing about the defense is the safety position. You guys know more about the Browns than I do so I'll continue reading.
Thanks! Don't worry about how much you know or don't know - that never stops Ghoolie. He must think the day he finally gets something right - the mods are going to give him a new pair of blue jeans with the front pockets cut out so he can take inventory every time he thinks about Ben Roethlisberger.
Interesting point about Safety being a position of intrigue for you. If Horton got his NFL Diploma from the LeBeau Institute of Defense - Safety will definitely be a position to watch. TJ Ward made the Pro Bowl here in 2013 when Horton was the DC. Back in Pittsburgh, Pollyneedsahaircut used to frequent Pro Bowls in a zone blitz scheme that counted on him to be their gridiron chess Queen attacking from anywhere, advertised or unadvertised.
The Browns Safety position is so young. I was looking for them to pick up a vet during FA. Either a star emerges or they get burnt. Better have some pressure is all I can say.Thanks! Don't worry about how much you know or don't know - that never stops Ghoolie. He must think the day he finally gets something right - the mods are going to give him a new pair of blue jeans with the front pockets cut out so he can take inventory every time he thinks about Ben Roethlisberger.
Interesting point about Safety being a position of intrigue for you. If Horton got his NFL Diploma from the LeBeau Institute of Defense - Safety will definitely be a position to watch. TJ Ward made the Pro Bowl here in 2013 when Horton was the DC. Back in Pittsburgh, Pollyneedsahaircut used to frequent Pro Bowls in a zone blitz scheme that counted on him to be their gridiron chess Queen attacking from anywhere, advertised or unadvertised.
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The Browns Safety position is so young. I was looking for them to pick up a vet during FA. Either a star emerges or they get burnt. Better have some pressure is all I can say.Thanks! Don't worry about how much you know or don't know - that never stops Ghoolie. He must think the day he finally gets something right - the mods are going to give him a new pair of blue jeans with the front pockets cut out so he can take inventory every time he thinks about Ben Roethlisberger.
Interesting point about Safety being a position of intrigue for you. If Horton got his NFL Diploma from the LeBeau Institute of Defense - Safety will definitely be a position to watch. TJ Ward made the Pro Bowl here in 2013 when Horton was the DC. Back in Pittsburgh, Pollyneedsahaircut used to frequent Pro Bowls in a zone blitz scheme that counted on him to be their gridiron chess Queen attacking from anywhere, advertised or unadvertised.
One Post From the Truth said:
The Browns Safety position is so young. I was looking for them to pick up a vet during FA. Either a star emerges or they get burnt. Better have some pressure is all I can say.
They signed a 26 year old veteran Free Safety - Rahim Moore. That doesn't change the experience level at Strong Safety though.
Someone brought up moving Mingo to Safety before. That can be a bad idea and it can be a good idea. The worry with putting him in the back tier of defense is he's not a very good tackler for a few reasons: 1) he's got the instincts of a raccoon crossing a highway at night time, 2) has piss poor fundamentals (partly from playing through a painful shoulder injury and partly from not being in enough control to square up to form tackle people, 3) he doesn't always keep his head up in pursuit often leading to over-pursuit or vulnerability to change of direction. A lot of his issues can be solved with coaching, repetition, and weekly preparation for tendencies...
The positive is he's got long levers to go with his 6'4" frame and ideal fitness which could all come in handy in coverage. He's always hustling, which shows me a work ethic an innovative mind coordinating our defense might be able to tap. Oh yeah, back to a zone blitz scheme that likes to blitz it's Strong Safety in a variety of ways ranging from x-stunts to delayed x-stunts to an anticipated vulnerable gap of a protection up front your central intelligence/coaching staff identified preparing for an offense's tendency. One of the best blitzes I ever saw from Mingo was a delayed x stunt from the outside and as soon as the OG locked up on someone - Mingo closed at the speed of light and sacked the QB.
Why all that? I thought I remembered hearing Horton say he had a different plan for Mingo this year than he had the last time. It could be that kind of thinking outside the box that puts Mingo at SS. The Dick LeBeau defense not only loves to blitz the SS, but he also likes his SS to camp out in the box after the snap.
On the other hand, Mingo finally bulked up to about 260 lbs this off-season so he might have Taylor Mays'd himself out of any thoughts of playing Safety. Stay tuned...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Is Ogbah going to be an LB....or a DE.....or more likely...a Hybrid?
Elephant spot. He'll be coached on playing a 2pt LB spot. However I'm sure he'll be brought along slowly so I'd expect him to get looks at the 3pt as well.
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One Post From the Truth said:
The Browns Safety position is so young. I was looking for them to pick up a vet during FA. Either a star emerges or they get burnt. Better have some pressure is all I can say.
They signed a 26 year old veteran Free Safety - Rahim Moore. That doesn't change the experience level at Strong Safety though.
Someone brought up moving Mingo to Safety before. That can be a bad idea and it can be a good idea. The worry with putting him in the back tier of defense is he's not a very good tackler for a few reasons: 1) he's got the instincts of a raccoon crossing a highway at night time, 2) has piss poor fundamentals (partly from playing through a painful shoulder injury and partly from not being in enough control to square up to form tackle people, 3) he doesn't always keep his head up in pursuit often leading to over-pursuit or vulnerability to change of direction. A lot of his issues can be solved with coaching, repetition, and weekly preparation for tendencies...
The positive is he's got long levers to go with his 6'4" frame and ideal fitness which could all come in handy in coverage. He's always hustling, which shows me a work ethic an innovative mind coordinating our defense might be able to tap. Oh yeah, back to a zone blitz scheme that likes to blitz it's Strong Safety in a variety of ways ranging from x-stunts to delayed x-stunts to an anticipated vulnerable gap of a protection up front your central intelligence/coaching staff identified preparing for an offense's tendency. One of the best blitzes I ever saw from Mingo was a delayed x stunt from the outside and as soon as the OG locked up on someone - Mingo closed at the speed of light and sacked the QB.
Why all that? I thought I remembered hearing Horton say he had a different plan for Mingo this year than he had the last time. It could be that kind of thinking outside the box that puts Mingo at SS. The Dick LeBeau defense not only loves to blitz the SS, but he also likes his SS to camp out in the box after the snap.
On the other hand, Mingo finally bulked up to about 260 lbs this off-season so he might have Taylor Mays'd himself out of any thoughts of playing Safety. Stay tuned...
If Mingo plays anywhere in the secondary ill be watching that's for sure. Lol ya you may be right he just might be going there.They signed a 26 year old veteran Free Safety - Rahim Moore. That doesn't change the experience level at Strong Safety though.
Someone brought up moving Mingo to Safety before. That can be a bad idea and it can be a good idea. The worry with putting him in the back tier of defense is he's not a very good tackler for a few reasons: 1) he's got the instincts of a raccoon crossing a highway at night time, 2) has piss poor fundamentals (partly from playing through a painful shoulder injury and partly from not being in enough control to square up to form tackle people, 3) he doesn't always keep his head up in pursuit often leading to over-pursuit or vulnerability to change of direction. A lot of his issues can be solved with coaching, repetition, and weekly preparation for tendencies...
The positive is he's got long levers to go with his 6'4" frame and ideal fitness which could all come in handy in coverage. He's always hustling, which shows me a work ethic an innovative mind coordinating our defense might be able to tap. Oh yeah, back to a zone blitz scheme that likes to blitz it's Strong Safety in a variety of ways ranging from x-stunts to delayed x-stunts to an anticipated vulnerable gap of a protection up front your central intelligence/coaching staff identified preparing for an offense's tendency. One of the best blitzes I ever saw from Mingo was a delayed x stunt from the outside and as soon as the OG locked up on someone - Mingo closed at the speed of light and sacked the QB.
Why all that? I thought I remembered hearing Horton say he had a different plan for Mingo this year than he had the last time. It could be that kind of thinking outside the box that puts Mingo at SS. The Dick LeBeau defense not only loves to blitz the SS, but he also likes his SS to camp out in the box after the snap.
On the other hand, Mingo finally bulked up to about 260 lbs this off-season so he might have Taylor Mays'd himself out of any thoughts of playing Safety. Stay tuned...
I think Mingo needs stability so if they do put him back there keep him back there. Mingo has been thru a lot of different coaches. Of course I say "back there" in reference to where SS would usually play but with Horton its a new deal.
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1) he's got the instincts of a raccoon crossing a highway at night time, Flugels
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It's a smart thing I waited til AFTER I drank my gulp of ice tea for my keyboard's sake !
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Here's a look at our roster on Defense heading into training camp where we can expect good competition for starting jobs, situational roles, and active roster spots. I'll apologize in advance for the crappy job I did with specifying what roles I see for some guys.
Defensive Line:
Danny Shelton DT/NT
Jamie Meder DT/NT
John Hughes III DT
Xavier Cooper DE/5 Tech
Desmond Bryant DE/5 Tech
Carl Nassib DE
Dylan Wynn DE
Nile Lawrence-Stample DL
Rose Kyle DL
Cam Johnson DL
Linebacker:
Demario Davis ILB
Christian Kirksey ILB
Scooby Ruh-Wright ILB/OLB - They are already talking about using him on STs
Joe Schobert OLB/ILB - I'm also hearing about a potential role on STs with him
Nate Orchard OLB
Emmanuel Ogbah OLB
Barkevious Mingo OLB
Paul Kruger OLB
Tank Carder ILB - Good special teams player with upside on trial
Armonty Bryant OLB - Very disappointed in the trouble he couldn't resist off the field
Dominique Alexander LB
Justin Tuggle LB
Jackson Jeffcoat LB
Defensive Backs:
Joe Haden CB
Tramon Williams CB
K'Wuan Williams CB
Jamar Taylor CB
Justin Gilbert CB - Offers STs ability. How will he respond to changes and experience as a Corner?
Pierre Desir CB
Charles Gaines CB
Ibraheim Campbell SS
Jordan Poyer FS
Don Jones FS
Rahim Moore S
Derrick Kindred S
A.J. Stamps DB
Tim Scott DB
Eric Patterson DB
If I left anyone out or kept somebody on that's already departed - please let me know. Since the goal here in the doldrums of summer is discussion - here's some questions you can feel free to answer as many as you want or share something else on your mind.
Any positions excite you in particular?
What players are you most intrigued by?
Do any names make you think - I forgot about him, glad he's still here?
A lot of our DBs and LBs can crack in as STs players - who do you want us to keep an eye on?
Do we have enough "big men that can run and little guys that can hit" for Horton Hears a Hue?
What guys do you think will respond best to Horton's scheme?
It'll be fun to see what guys benefit most from their 1st year of experience on the field and via offseason conditioning. Who do you think will fall into this category?
Do we have the ingredients to hurry more passers and create more turnovers?
How do you think our front 7 will be at stopping the run?
How do you think our LB Corps will be at dropping into their coverage zones on time to be effective?
I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts about the Defense...
Here's a look at our roster on Defense heading into training camp where we can expect good competition for starting jobs, situational roles, and active roster spots. I'll apologize in advance for the crappy job I did with specifying what roles I see for some guys.
Defensive Line:
Danny Shelton DT/NT
Jamie Meder DT/NT CAMP BATTLE 1 spot
John Hughes III DT CAMP BATTLE 1 spot
Xavier Cooper DE/5 Tech
Desmond Bryant DE/5 Tech
Carl Nassib DE
Nile Lawrence-Stample DL CAMP BATTLE Winner or PS
Linebacker: BEST LIST IN A LONG WHILE-BEST DAWG FIGHTER'S WINS
Demario Davis ILB
Christian Kirksey ILB
Scooby Ruh-Wright ILB/OLB
Joe Schobert OLB/ILB
Nate Orchard OLB
Emmanuel Ogbah OLB
Barkevious Mingo OLB
Paul Kruger OLB
Tank Carder ILB
Armonty Bryant OLB
Dominique Alexander LB
Justin Tuggle LB
Jackson Jeffcoat LB
Defensive Backs:SHORT,SHORT, TO DAMN SHORT. WHEN WILL WE GET A CLUE OUR DIVISION HAS TALL WR'S & TE'S. HOBBITS & SMURFS DON"T BELONG HERE EITHER
Joe Haden CB
Tramon Williams CB
K'Wuan Williams CB
Jamar Taylor CB-TRADE FROM MIAMI not bad
Justin Gilbert CB -NEW KO RULE & LOCATION OF WON"T HELP ROSTER SPOT. CAN"T CATCH A PUNT NEITHER. BETTER BALL OUT AT CB
Pierre Desir CB
Charles Gaines CB-WE UPGRADED HIS STATUS TO OUT
Ibraheim Campbell SS-BIG YEAR
Jordan Poyer FS-GOOD SIZE & TACKLER. LIKE HIM AT S
Don Jones FS
Rahim Moore S-TEXANS RELEASED HIM CAUSE OF MISSED TACKLES
Derrick Kindred S-HERE"S YOUR NEW MARLON MOORE ON ST
A.J. Stamps DB-WATCH THIS KID A S ALSO,BETTER SIZE
Tim Scott DB
Eric Patterson DB-NOT BAD AT RAMS NOR PATS
If I left anyone out or kept somebody on that's already departed - please let me know. Since the goal here in the doldrums of summer is discussion - here's some questions you can feel free to answer as many as you want or share something else on your mind.
Any positions excite you in particular? LB BATTLES
What players are you most intrigued by? OGBAH, THAT SIZE CAN"T RUN THAT FAST.PROOF IT
Do any names make you think - I forgot about him, glad he's still here? JOSH GORDON-WHAT A TALENT TO WASTE-SHOWTIME OR DOPETIME
A lot of our DBs and LBs can crack in as STs players - who do you want us to keep an eye on? KINDRED & SCOOBY
Do we have enough "big men that can run and little guys that can hit" for Horton Hears a Hue?WATCH BIG NILE STAMPLE & JACKSON JEFFCOAT CAN PLAY IF HEALTHY
What guys do you think will respond best to Horton's scheme? OGBAH & NASSIB WILL PLAY MEET AT THE QB in time.
It'll be fun to see what guys benefit most from their 1st year of experience on the field and via offseason conditioning. Who do you think will fall into this category?SHELTON
Do we have the ingredients to hurry more passers and create more turnovers?SACK FUMBLES YES,DON'T TRUST A DB IN LONG TERM COVERAGE EVER
How do you think our front 7 will be at stopping the run?STOP OVER PURSUIT & 1ST CONTACT TACKLE. RECIPE THAT KILLS THE LONG ONE THAT KILLS US WEEKLY
How do you think our LB Corps will be at dropping into their coverage zones on time to be effective?IF A OLD THOMAS DAVIS & KUEGLEY CAN. WHY NOT US
I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts about the Defense...
Most interesting questions your wife won't ask you all week
Bless ya Flug, YES honey i was cleaning The Man Cave 
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
You're such a ham Gumbo.
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Here's a look at our roster on Defense heading into training camp where we can expect good competition for starting jobs, situational roles, and active roster spots. I'll apologize in advance for the crappy job I did with specifying what roles I see for some guys.
Defensive Line:
Danny Shelton DT/NT
Jamie Meder DT/NT CAMP BATTLE 1 spot
John Hughes III DT CAMP BATTLE 1 spot
Xavier Cooper DE/5 Tech
Desmond Bryant DE/5 Tech
Carl Nassib DE
Nile Lawrence-Stample DL CAMP BATTLE Winner or PS
Linebacker: BEST LIST IN A LONG WHILE-BEST DAWG FIGHTER'S WINS
Demario Davis ILB
Christian Kirksey ILB
Scooby Ruh-Wright ILB/OLB
Joe Schobert OLB/ILB
Nate Orchard OLB
Emmanuel Ogbah OLB
Barkevious Mingo OLB
Paul Kruger OLB
Tank Carder ILB
Armonty Bryant OLB
Dominique Alexander LB
Justin Tuggle LB
Jackson Jeffcoat LB
Defensive Backs:SHORT,SHORT, TO DAMN SHORT. WHEN WILL WE GET A CLUE OUR DIVISION HAS TALL WR'S & TE'S. HOBBITS & SMURFS DON"T BELONG HERE EITHER
Joe Haden CB
Tramon Williams CB
K'Wuan Williams CB
Jamar Taylor CB-TRADE FROM MIAMI not bad
Justin Gilbert CB -NEW KO RULE & LOCATION OF WON"T HELP ROSTER SPOT. CAN"T CATCH A PUNT NEITHER. BETTER BALL OUT AT CB
Pierre Desir CB
Charles Gaines CB-WE UPGRADED HIS STATUS TO OUT
Ibraheim Campbell SS-BIG YEAR
Jordan Poyer FS-GOOD SIZE & TACKLER. LIKE HIM AT S
Don Jones FS
Rahim Moore S-TEXANS RELEASED HIM CAUSE OF MISSED TACKLES
Derrick Kindred S-HERE"S YOUR NEW MARLON MOORE ON ST
A.J. Stamps DB-WATCH THIS KID A S ALSO,BETTER SIZE
Tim Scott DB
Eric Patterson DB-NOT BAD AT RAMS NOR PATS
If I left anyone out or kept somebody on that's already departed - please let me know. Since the goal here in the doldrums of summer is discussion - here's some questions you can feel free to answer as many as you want or share something else on your mind.
Any positions excite you in particular? LB BATTLES
What players are you most intrigued by? OGBAH, THAT SIZE CAN"T RUN THAT FAST.PROOF IT
Do any names make you think - I forgot about him, glad he's still here? JOSH GORDON-WHAT A TALENT TO WASTE-SHOWTIME OR DOPETIME
A lot of our DBs and LBs can crack in as STs players - who do you want us to keep an eye on? KINDRED & SCOOBY
Do we have enough "big men that can run and little guys that can hit" for Horton Hears a Hue?WATCH BIG NILE STAMPLE & JACKSON JEFFCOAT CAN PLAY IF HEALTHY
What guys do you think will respond best to Horton's scheme? OGBAH & NASSIB WILL PLAY MEET AT THE QB in time.
It'll be fun to see what guys benefit most from their 1st year of experience on the field and via offseason conditioning. Who do you think will fall into this category?SHELTON
Do we have the ingredients to hurry more passers and create more turnovers?SACK FUMBLES YES,DON'T TRUST A DB IN LONG TERM COVERAGE EVER
How do you think our front 7 will be at stopping the run?STOP OVER PURSUIT & 1ST CONTACT TACKLE. RECIPE THAT KILLS THE LONG ONE THAT KILLS US WEEKLY
How do you think our LB Corps will be at dropping into their coverage zones on time to be effective?IF A OLD THOMAS DAVIS & KUEGLEY CAN. WHY NOT US
I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts about the Defense...
Most interesting questions your wife won't ask you all week
Bless ya Flug, YES honey i was cleaning The Man Cave Most interesting questions your wife won't ask you all week
Bless ya Flug, YES honey i was cleaning The Man Cave Great job with that Gumby. Did I ever tell you what the 2 most important words after "I do" are? "Yes dear."
Do you want to know another potential pleasant surprise joining our rookie LB class? Dominique Alexander, may sound more like a female stripper but he's actually our undrafted ILB out of Oklahoma - the 3rd highest rated ILB in Lindy's Draft Guide.
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Most interesting questions your wife won't ask you all week
Bless ya Flug, YES honey i was cleaning The Man Cave Great job with that Gumby. Did I ever tell you what the 2 most important words after "I do" are? "Yes dear."
Do you want to know another potential pleasant surprise joining our rookie LB class? Dominique Alexander, may sound more like a female stripper but he's actually our undrafted ILB out of Oklahoma - the 3rd highest rated ILB in Lindy's Draft Guide.
Great job with that Gumby. Did I ever tell you what the 2 most important words after "I do" are? "Yes dear."
Do you want to know another potential pleasant surprise joining our rookie LB class? Dominique Alexander, may sound more like a female stripper but he's actually our undrafted ILB out of Oklahoma - the 3rd highest rated ILB in Lindy's Draft Guide.
Put the damn ball on the Tee & let's Go..Camp in July & August is like Christmas opening new gifts. These bitches our still wrapped
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A Happy Wife is a Happy Life. And a Happy Football team is a group of guys who love the game,
are smart and talented, and want to WIN, with no soap opera crap, from players or anybody else.
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A Happy Wife is a Happy Life. And a Happy Football team is a group of guys who love the game,
are smart and talented, and want to WIN, with no soap opera crap, from players or anybody else.
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One Post From the Truth said:
The Browns Safety position is so young. I was looking for them to pick up a vet during FA. Either a star emerges or they get burnt. Better have some pressure is all I can say.
They signed a 26 year old veteran Free Safety - Rahim Moore. That doesn't change the experience level at Strong Safety though.
Someone brought up moving Mingo to Safety before. That can be a bad idea and it can be a good idea. The worry with putting him in the back tier of defense is he's not a very good tackler for a few reasons: 1) he's got the instincts of a raccoon crossing a highway at night time, 2) has piss poor fundamentals (partly from playing through a painful shoulder injury and partly from not being in enough control to square up to form tackle people, 3) he doesn't always keep his head up in pursuit often leading to over-pursuit or vulnerability to change of direction. A lot of his issues can be solved with coaching, repetition, and weekly preparation for tendencies...
The positive is he's got long levers to go with his 6'4" frame and ideal fitness which could all come in handy in coverage. He's always hustling, which shows me a work ethic an innovative mind coordinating our defense might be able to tap. Oh yeah, back to a zone blitz scheme that likes to blitz it's Strong Safety in a variety of ways ranging from x-stunts to delayed x-stunts to an anticipated vulnerable gap of a protection up front your central intelligence/coaching staff identified preparing for an offense's tendency. One of the best blitzes I ever saw from Mingo was a delayed x stunt from the outside and as soon as the OG locked up on someone - Mingo closed at the speed of light and sacked the QB.
Why all that? I thought I remembered hearing Horton say he had a different plan for Mingo this year than he had the last time. It could be that kind of thinking outside the box that puts Mingo at SS. The Dick LeBeau defense not only loves to blitz the SS, but he also likes his SS to camp out in the box after the snap.
On the other hand, Mingo finally bulked up to about 260 lbs this off-season so he might have Taylor Mays'd himself out of any thoughts of playing Safety. Stay tuned...
They signed a 26 year old veteran Free Safety - Rahim Moore. That doesn't change the experience level at Strong Safety though.
Someone brought up moving Mingo to Safety before. That can be a bad idea and it can be a good idea. The worry with putting him in the back tier of defense is he's not a very good tackler for a few reasons: 1) he's got the instincts of a raccoon crossing a highway at night time, 2) has piss poor fundamentals (partly from playing through a painful shoulder injury and partly from not being in enough control to square up to form tackle people, 3) he doesn't always keep his head up in pursuit often leading to over-pursuit or vulnerability to change of direction. A lot of his issues can be solved with coaching, repetition, and weekly preparation for tendencies...
The positive is he's got long levers to go with his 6'4" frame and ideal fitness which could all come in handy in coverage. He's always hustling, which shows me a work ethic an innovative mind coordinating our defense might be able to tap. Oh yeah, back to a zone blitz scheme that likes to blitz it's Strong Safety in a variety of ways ranging from x-stunts to delayed x-stunts to an anticipated vulnerable gap of a protection up front your central intelligence/coaching staff identified preparing for an offense's tendency. One of the best blitzes I ever saw from Mingo was a delayed x stunt from the outside and as soon as the OG locked up on someone - Mingo closed at the speed of light and sacked the QB.
Why all that? I thought I remembered hearing Horton say he had a different plan for Mingo this year than he had the last time. It could be that kind of thinking outside the box that puts Mingo at SS. The Dick LeBeau defense not only loves to blitz the SS, but he also likes his SS to camp out in the box after the snap.
On the other hand, Mingo finally bulked up to about 260 lbs this off-season so he might have Taylor Mays'd himself out of any thoughts of playing Safety. Stay tuned...
Mingo anywhere in the secondary would be nothing short of an unimaginable disaster.
As for 'strong safety'... keep in mind there really isn't such a thing with Horton. The backend DB's in his defense are to be interchangeable (per his own words)
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They signed a 26 year old veteran Free Safety - Rahim Moore. That doesn't change the experience level at Strong Safety though.
Someone brought up moving Mingo to Safety before. That can be a bad idea and it can be a good idea. The worry with putting him in the back tier of defense is he's not a very good tackler for a few reasons: 1) he's got the instincts of a raccoon crossing a highway at night time, 2) has piss poor fundamentals (partly from playing through a painful shoulder injury and partly from not being in enough control to square up to form tackle people, 3) he doesn't always keep his head up in pursuit often leading to over-pursuit or vulnerability to change of direction. A lot of his issues can be solved with coaching, repetition, and weekly preparation for tendencies...
The positive is he's got long levers to go with his 6'4" frame and ideal fitness which could all come in handy in coverage. He's always hustling, which shows me a work ethic an innovative mind coordinating our defense might be able to tap. Oh yeah, back to a zone blitz scheme that likes to blitz it's Strong Safety in a variety of ways ranging from x-stunts to delayed x-stunts to an anticipated vulnerable gap of a protection up front your central intelligence/coaching staff identified preparing for an offense's tendency. One of the best blitzes I ever saw from Mingo was a delayed x stunt from the outside and as soon as the OG locked up on someone - Mingo closed at the speed of light and sacked the QB.
Why all that? I thought I remembered hearing Horton say he had a different plan for Mingo this year than he had the last time. It could be that kind of thinking outside the box that puts Mingo at SS. The Dick LeBeau defense not only loves to blitz the SS, but he also likes his SS to camp out in the box after the snap.
On the other hand, Mingo finally bulked up to about 260 lbs this off-season so he might have Taylor Mays'd himself out of any thoughts of playing Safety. Stay tuned...
Mingo anywhere in the secondary would be nothing short of an unimaginable disaster.
As for 'strong safety'... keep in mind there really isn't such a thing with Horton. The backend DB's in his defense are to be interchangeable (per his own words)
As for 'strong safety'... keep in mind there really isn't such a thing with Horton. The backend DB's in his defense are to be interchangeable (per his own words)
I did keep that in mind. Horton keeps his SS cheating up in the box on the occasions he isn't blitzing the SS.
Otherwise, having a guy with bad instincts and suspect tackling skills in the back tier at a more conventional type of Safety could be a disaster. I don't think they would have wanted him bulked up over 260 lbs if the plan was in the back tier though.
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Here's a look at our roster on Defense heading into training camp where we can expect good competition for starting jobs, situational roles, and active roster spots. I'll apologize in advance for the crappy job I did with specifying what roles I see for some guys.
Defensive Line:
Danny Shelton DT/NT
Jamie Meder DT/NT
John Hughes III DT
Xavier Cooper DE/5 Tech
Desmond Bryant DE/5 Tech
Carl Nassib DE
Dylan Wynn DE
Nile Lawrence-Stample DL
Rose Kyle DL
Cam Johnson DL
Linebacker:
Demario Davis ILB
Christian Kirksey ILB
Scooby Ruh-Wright ILB/OLB - They are already talking about using him on STs
Joe Schobert OLB/ILB - I'm also hearing about a potential role on STs with him
Nate Orchard OLB
Emmanuel Ogbah OLB
Barkevious Mingo OLB
Paul Kruger OLB
Tank Carder ILB - Good special teams player with upside on trial
Armonty Bryant OLB - Very disappointed in the trouble he couldn't resist off the field
Dominique Alexander LB
Justin Tuggle LB
Jackson Jeffcoat LB
Defensive Backs:
Joe Haden CB
Tramon Williams CB
K'Wuan Williams CB
Jamar Taylor CB
Justin Gilbert CB - Offers STs ability. How will he respond to changes and experience as a Corner?
Pierre Desir CB
Charles Gaines CB
Ibraheim Campbell SS
Jordan Poyer FS
Don Jones FS
Rahim Moore S
Derrick Kindred S
A.J. Stamps DB
Tim Scott DB
Eric Patterson DB
If I left anyone out or kept somebody on that's already departed - please let me know. Since the goal here in the doldrums of summer is discussion - here's some questions you can feel free to answer as many as you want or share something else on your mind.
Any positions excite you in particular?
What players are you most intrigued by?
Do any names make you think - I forgot about him, glad he's still here?
A lot of our DBs and LBs can crack in as STs players - who do you want us to keep an eye on?
Do we have enough "big men that can run and little guys that can hit" for Horton Hears a Hue?
What guys do you think will respond best to Horton's scheme?
It'll be fun to see what guys benefit most from their 1st year of experience on the field and via offseason conditioning. Who do you think will fall into this category?
Do we have the ingredients to hurry more passers and create more turnovers?
How do you think our front 7 will be at stopping the run?
How do you think our LB Corps will be at dropping into their coverage zones on time to be effective?
I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts about the Defense...
Here's a look at our roster on Defense heading into training camp where we can expect good competition for starting jobs, situational roles, and active roster spots. I'll apologize in advance for the crappy job I did with specifying what roles I see for some guys.
Defensive Line:
Danny Shelton DT/NT
Jamie Meder DT/NT
John Hughes III DT
Xavier Cooper DE/5 Tech
Desmond Bryant DE/5 Tech
Carl Nassib DE
Dylan Wynn DE
Nile Lawrence-Stample DL
Rose Kyle DL
Cam Johnson DL
Linebacker:
Demario Davis ILB
Christian Kirksey ILB
Scooby Ruh-Wright ILB/OLB - They are already talking about using him on STs
Joe Schobert OLB/ILB - I'm also hearing about a potential role on STs with him
Nate Orchard OLB
Emmanuel Ogbah OLB
Barkevious Mingo OLB
Paul Kruger OLB
Tank Carder ILB - Good special teams player with upside on trial
Armonty Bryant OLB - Very disappointed in the trouble he couldn't resist off the field
Dominique Alexander LB
Justin Tuggle LB
Jackson Jeffcoat LB
Defensive Backs:
Joe Haden CB
Tramon Williams CB
K'Wuan Williams CB
Jamar Taylor CB
Justin Gilbert CB - Offers STs ability. How will he respond to changes and experience as a Corner?
Pierre Desir CB
Charles Gaines CB
Ibraheim Campbell SS
Jordan Poyer FS
Don Jones FS
Rahim Moore S
Derrick Kindred S
A.J. Stamps DB
Tim Scott DB
Eric Patterson DB
If I left anyone out or kept somebody on that's already departed - please let me know. Since the goal here in the doldrums of summer is discussion - here's some questions you can feel free to answer as many as you want or share something else on your mind.
Any positions excite you in particular?
Yes, I really believe we may have a solid LB core for once. I was happy they drafted so many- Schobert and Scooby should push the vets.
What players are you most intrigued by?
Do any names make you think - I forgot about him, glad he's still here?
A lot of our DBs and LBs can crack in as STs players - who do you want us to keep an eye on?
Do we have enough "big men that can run and little guys that can hit" for Horton Hears a Hue?
What guys do you think will respond best to Horton's scheme?
It'll be fun to see what guys benefit most from their 1st year of experience on the field and via offseason conditioning. Who do you think will fall into this category?
Do we have the ingredients to hurry more passers and create more turnovers?
Yes. Hopefully immediately, but it may take a bit of time to develop.
How do you think our front 7 will be at stopping the run?
How do you think our LB Corps will be at dropping into their coverage zones on time to be effective?
I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts about the Defense...
So many new faces, and a new staff, but I like the plan. Horton's been around, with his experience I'm hopeful the D will produce. My only concern is with so much youth, will they grasp the scheme(s)?
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Safety:
- I'm OK with Poyer. He had some good starts in relief of Gipson.
- Mingo? Questionable agility for the position prior to latest bulk-up...
Ogbah:
- seems a natural to push Kruger for time, but also expect to see him opposite Krugs.
- have a feeling will see a lot of him in packages; seems ideal for rush/drop options out of sets where 9+ are in 2-point stances.
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Any positions excite you in particular?
Pass Rush - Orchard and Ogbah could be on to something special.
What players are you most intrigued by?
Ogbah, the new look Shelton and Nassib.
Do any names make you think - I forgot about him, glad he's still here?
Tramon Willams - as #2 corner he's solid.
A lot of our DBs and LBs can crack in as STs players - who do you want us to keep an eye on?
Schobert. Might not see much immediate playing time on D, but should do well on ST.
Do we have enough "big men that can run and little guys that can hit" for Horton Hears a Hue?
Probably not. We're a 3-13 team that lost/cut three of our better defenders.
What guys do you think will respond best to Horton's scheme?
Shelton, Mingo.
It'll be fun to see what guys benefit most from their 1st year of experience on the field and via offseason conditioning. Who do you think will fall into this category?
Orchard, Shelton
Do we have the ingredients to hurry more passers and create more turnovers?
More? Sure. Enough? ...
How do you think our front 7 will be at stopping the run?
Mediocre at best. But I'll take that after all this time.
How do you think our LB Corps will be at dropping into their coverage zones on time to be effective?
Decent.
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Dylynn winns back on tje roster?
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It will be fun to watch a defense evolve from one of the worst in the league to maybe average. Most want to see how the blend of old and new players evolves through the season. Can't play any worse so it should resemble a real D team for a change. Not sure I can say the same for the O.
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