Will McCown be given the chance to beat out RG III?
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Gee whiz Tommy!
Sure, I guess it's possible that your third-string UFA winds up being the MVP of the league.
I just mentioned it since you were the most recent commenter on the kid Kama even though he gets a good deal of airtime around here.
And it doesn't hurt to Hope. We can also hope that RG3 is better and less of an asshole than before and the Josh McCown finally breaks through.
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Let's put this back into context. I only wrote about why I feel Shaw has a future here.
It's okay if you don't like Connor Shaw. I'm sure you won't be the only one that feels that way.
Let's put this back into context. I only wrote about why I feel Shaw has a future here.
It's okay if you don't like Connor Shaw. I'm sure you won't be the only one that feels that way.
2014--Season finale against Ravens finished game despite dislocated finger & bruised kidney..2015--Has reconstruction surgery on broken Thumb on throwing hand in preseason game with Skins. 2016--Could be the return of Drago Jr. returns.. Got to root for this guy. Later Austin 'Powers' Davis Return
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Ken Dorsey's only 35!
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VesnaKociper said:
Flugs.............. Connor Shaw is the guy who should be getting all the snaps. He have no idea what his potential is............ it is already a given that RG3 and McCown will never in their lives be winners. Your comments on Shaw IMHO are not aggressive enough. If I am the king, Shaw is out front and the job woudl be his to lose. Why fuck around with the two dildos rated ahead of him? They have no fucking upside.
Idiotic FO.
Apparently someone saw a similar style offense used for RG3 that was once used for Joe Theisman in Washington. Out of pocket passing for a 6' Heisman Trophy Winner that rarely ever spent time in a cup protection pass scheme. Theisman began in Canada while RG3 was a Rookie of the Year.
Sometimes really good QBs like Steve Young get sentenced to the wrong offense, coaching staff and surrounding talent in Tampa. Doug Williams also had that issue before Joe Gibbs said this QB doesn't need to be rewired - he just needs a compatible system. Same thing happened to Steve Young. And all the teams more worried about Joe Montana's arm strength coming out of ND got to see what all that turned into in the perfect system.
I think with RG3 it's more a case the offense changed from what he was most compatible with to what he is least compatible with more than RG3 just waking up a crummy football player 1 day. I've been wrong before though...
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Some posters have made valid points about previous QB's that failed to succeed under other coaches and systems, but then found success. How about Rich Gannon? That guy didn't enjoy a ton of success until he went to the Raiders, and then he was all world and even won the MVP (and SHOULD have gone to the Superbowl). Like somebody said, take a look at Steve Young, and a host of other players that needed a fresh start to really shine.
Will that happen to RG III? I'd say the odds are against it, but it's worth mentioning previous players who found success in the middle parts or later stages of their careers.
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I'm still still to wrap my head around, "Connor Shaw should be our starter."
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Connor Shaw reminds me a lot of Colt McCoy; both are very hard workers who are willing to put the team on their backs, but neither will wow you with their arm strength. I was impressed with Connor Shaw in college and I liked what I saw of him in the Ravens game. I think he's a way better option than Austin Davis but I think our FO is sold on RG3 for now, it's RG3's job to lose.
I like McCown, but I have a feeling he will be used as trade bait once the season starts. I don't see this FO hanging on to an aging veteran, even though I think McCown is the better leader and accomplished a lot last year considering what he had to work with.
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Some posters have made valid points about previous QB's that failed to succeed under other coaches and systems, but then found success. How about Rich Gannon? That guy didn't enjoy a ton of success until he went to the Raiders, and then he was all world and even won the MVP (and SHOULD have gone to the Superbowl). Like somebody said, take a look at Steve Young, and a host of other players that needed a fresh start to really shine.
Will that happen to RG III? I'd say the odds are against it, but it's worth mentioning previous players who found success in the middle parts or later stages of their careers.
How about Rich Gannon?
To all those that may have a Rich Gannon poster on their walls
. McCown maybe the closest thing to the guy but never played with any real talent. Also Josh is missing the mental part of Gannon's game. Play with passion & gutsy mentality. But be smart with it too.. EDIT--While we our speaking QB's, Rumors have it Wentz may go Red shirt year 1.Might this be the best Kessler plan? I see it in Philly as a plan to keep Philly fans week 1 with us from booing whiny ass Bradford off the field. But how does Redshirt Kessler work for us? Just throwing it out their 
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You can't red shirt a player in the pros, that's college where you can weasel out an extra year of eligibility. I think once you sign you're on the clock whether you play or not.
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You can't red shirt a player in the pros, that's college where you can weasel out an extra year of eligibility. I think once you sign you're on the clock whether you play or not.
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You can't red shirt a player in the pros, that's college where you can weasel out an extra year of eligibility. I think once you sign you're on the clock whether you play or not.
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Correct WSS. Philly using red shirt in wrong terms. In real words, Going to bury Wentz on 53 man roster but make him inactive each week. But can still practice full season & Camp with preseason games. Avoids Wavier Wire to PS. We shall see how Hue values his guy Kessler. Only QB of 5 with PS eligibility.
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I'm very interested to see how Kessler performs in training camp, and of course, in the preseason. Something tells me he's a very hard worker, and his accuracy isn't something that can be taught. What we don't know is how he'll handle pressure, pick up the offense, and respond after he takes some real NFL hits. Can he read the defenses and know where to go with the ball? Can he quickly learn the intricacies of the offensive language? And we know that he doesn't have an elite arm, but is it strong enough to get the job done?
It's safe to say I'm pretty eager to see just what our offense looks like. Obviously, coaches don't show TOO much in preseason, but we'll get a taste. For the most part, NFL preseason games are a complete waste of time, but there are moments that are worth evaluating. We'll get to see if RG III's footwork looks better, if he looks comfortable with the offense, if he has "happy feet", and how his throws look. Same goes for McCown. I expect him to look better, but HOW much better will he look? (of course, I could be wrong too). As the preseason progresses, I could see RG III move the ball down the field a little bit, but I definitely foresee him struggling in the red zone. The red zone is what separates decent QB's from good ones. I fully expect to see McCown score more TD's in the preseason than anybody.
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VesnaKociper said:
Flugs.............. Connor Shaw is the guy who should be getting all the snaps.
Idiotic FO.
I know Casey Casem isn't around any more so I'll give Connor's Shaws a shout out from ya Ghoolie. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtubevideoof+missyoubythelaw&view=detail&mid=2BB0F69F7653DA1645AB2BB0F69F7653DA1645AB&FORM=VIRE
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So you think that Sashi had spoken to the Rams and knew that they were taking Goff. ('cuz we'd already traded out of #2 prior to draft day)
It makes sense because we traded out of #2 after the Rams traded up to #1.
Sashi knew... He said so in an interview.
VesnaKociper said:
Steve, he's Black Tarkenton. It doesn't matter what offense he plays in, He is a run first QB.
Why does this horse-shit statement live on? Thought it was killed when we drafted JM...
Sir Francis was not a "running QB". He was a scrambling QB. He ran to buy time to throw as he played behind some of the worst OLs in the league. (Expansion Vikings and rebuilding NYGs)
I've made peace with the fact that the Geek Squad did not value the top of this draft's QB's. Orion
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That's a false conclusion, I think. They didn't not value them - the simple fact is, they couldn't afford
to take one of them, with all the needs they had to fill as far as their restructuring, to a point, their roster.
Don't not not not look now... but that's the definition of a "value" analysis.
Sir Francis was not a "running QB". He was a scrambling QB. He ran to buy time to throw as he played behind some of the worst OLs in the league. (Expansion Vikings and rebuilding NYGs)
Gotta agree with this......Id say a running QB is one who tries to gain positive yardage with his feet.....IE running backish.....
My memory of Fran was running circles in the backfield....buying time.....so he could throw.....
Cant say I remember many(any?) attempts to just grind out positive yards on the ground though.....
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It's nice to hear that RG III has been working on throwing the ball away and sliding. I've read that in several articles, and RG III has been throwing the ball over some fences just to prove a point. "Running QB's" don't last long, but there definitely is a way to be a running QB and survive. I think Russell Wilson is the very definition of this, and he's the master at escaping sacks and gaining positive yards without getting drilled.
By all accounts, RG III looks very fast. Word on the internet is that RG III was so overwhelmingly impressive at his Browns workout that Hue Jackson and others basically wanted a deal done immediately. RG III is a guy that is going to look great without pads and without any pressure. He throws that super tight spiral and he's very quick. But can he use that quickness to buy more time to throw? Will our receivers have any experience in playing with a QB that scrambles around and extends plays? I know that sounds silly, but apparently it takes some getting used to. Manziel was the king of this, but we don't have that many receivers left from last year, and the only one that is going to play a lot is probably Hawkins. I don't expect Gabriel to make the squad, and Pryor doesn't count because he didn't practice the entire year.
From what I've read about Hue Jackson, his offense prefers to get the ball out of the QB's hands faster than just about any other team in the league. I heard some stats that measured the seconds from the hike to the pass, and the Bengals ranked towards the top in the league (I forget the source, I apologize). Getting the ball out quickly is all fine and dandy, but you must have a QB that knows where to go with the ball, AND you must have WR's that can immediately get open. It takes practice to get the timing down, and it takes more practice to get the cerebral part down.
My main concern about RG III lies between his ears. In my opinion, we're dealing with a guy with damaged confidence. I could be COMPLETELY wrong, but when you go from having a tremendous rookie season and being the darling of the league to someone that doesn't even dress out, I think it's safe to assume that his ego took a drastic lashing. Playing QB in Cleveland is NOT for the faint of heart, and I believe we can all agree on that. What's going to happen to RG III after he completely stinks it up in the first half of our first game? (not saying he WILL, just a hypothetical) Can RG III handle all of the "boos" that will no doubt come hurling down upon him after he turns in a real crap-fest of a game? Can he overcome the incessant media articles and hateful statements?
To me, THAT'S the biggest unknown with RG III, and to me, is the biggest reason we kept McCown on the roster. Physically, I think RG III is about as healthy as many QB's in the league. Sure, he's had some surgeries, but how many people HAVEN'T? To make matters worse, it's not like RG III is making his comeback on a team loaded with offensive or defensive talent. He's probably going to be down several scores in many games, and he's probably NOT going to have the luxury of a balanced attack. Teams will know that we're passing the ball, and he'll know that they're coming for him. We have a sense of how McCown can handle those situations, but RG III is an unknown. I truly root for the young man, but he's coming into a very difficult situation.
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