Browns lose Desmond Bryant for the season
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Question for all of you. Are any of you planning to attend open practices before the pre-season gets started?
It would be nice to get reports back on whether we are seeing more of the 4-3 like most of us feel fits best for our current players.
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Question for all of you. Are any of you planning to attend open practices before the pre-season gets started?
It would be nice to get reports back on whether we are seeing more of the 4-3 like most of us feel fits best for our current players.
Question for all of you. Are any of you planning to attend open practices before the pre-season gets started?
It would be nice to get reports back on whether we are seeing more of the 4-3 like most of us feel fits best for our current players.
I'll be there for the 31st.
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Question for all of you. Are any of you planning to attend open practices before the pre-season gets started?
It would be nice to get reports back on whether we are seeing more of the 4-3 like most of us feel fits best for our current players.
I'll be there for the 31st.
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Question for all of you. Are any of you planning to attend open practices before the pre-season gets started?
It would be nice to get reports back on whether we are seeing more of the 4-3 like most of us feel fits best for our current players.
I'll be there for the 31st.
I'll be there for the 31st.
Check out the SS & FS plan. 8 man battle, maybe we don't miss Whitner? Last depth chart I got was FS-Poyer,R.Moore,Don Jones,E. Patterson & AJ Stamps..SS-Campbell, Tim Scott & D. Kindred..I like tall trees that lay some wood..
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Check out the SS & FS plan. 8 man battle, maybe we don't miss Whitner? Last depth chart I got was FS-Poyer,R.Moore,Don Jones,E. Patterson & AJ Stamps..SS-Campbell, Tim Scott & D. Kindred..I like tall trees that lay some wood..
My guess it's Campbell at SS, with an open battle between Poyer and Moore at FS.
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I hope not Mud.
Horton was fond of hybrid fronts when he arrived here the first time. I think injuries up front limited how many down linemen he went with as well as taking guys out of their comfort zones to play in unfamiliar spaces. If we can be more fortunate with injuries - I could see us having some luck with 4 man fronts. That means our guys on the edge don't have to waste time pondering do I rush or drop challenging their explosion out of snap and playing fast immediately there after. Inside, Hughes can play more effective with 2 gap in a smaller space while teaming with Shelton or Meder.
As I said a couple posts ago, I'm not a big fan of our marriage to the 5 techniques over the years. I'd at least like to see it less frequently. I think we have the personnel to hurry a passer more easily out of a 4 man front than we would out of a 3 man fronts we've gagged on. I don't want our rookie edge rushers to feel like the comedian's puppy named Stay. Paralysis from over-analysis vrs sic em? I gots to go with sic em.
Right....Id say, now more than ever, we have personnel that best fits a 4-3......we have a ton of 4-3 DE's we are trying to morph into OLB's.....and we have a wealth of interior DT's, we are using as DE's and we have a shortage of versatile LB's, which we are spinning our wheels on with guys like Kruger, Bryant & Mingo.....so, why force ALL these guys to play out of position????......
Id use a 4 man front, something like.........A. Bryant...Shelton...Meder...ogbah.....backed by Kirksey...Davis and Orchard......
And back them up with a rotation of...........Nassib....Hughes...Cooper...Kruger....backed by Schobert..Wright....Mingo.....
And, looking at this....even with only 3, you can still see the weakness of LB and the strength on DL.....
But the Browns will jam those DE's into the OLB position(diminishing their skills) and creating situations where our DE's turned OLB's cannot make the play, cover the TE or slot, catch the RB in the flat, etc.....
Simply put...use what you got.....and adjust the system to the talent. So far, that aint happening(with Horton or Pettine)....
Mud & Flug you both bring up great points. Now with Des out, Why do we continue the Ogbah move to LB? His career was build at DE.. If we line 3. I like Hughes,Shelton & Ogbah. With not additions we go to camp with Meder & Lawrence Staple (PS maybe, but a run stuffier) both at 320 will rotate Shelton at nose. Last updated depth chart I have seen is RDE-Hughes,Ogbah & Dylan Wynn. LDE-X.Cooper, C. Nassib & Kyle Rose. ROLB- Orchard, A. Bryant, Jackson Jeffcoat & Cam Johnson. RILB-Dmario Davis, Carder & Scooby. LOLB- Kruger, Mingo & Schobert. RILB- Kirksey, Tuggle & D. Alexander. Somehow Ogbah needs to stay home at DE R or L imo..
And, if he stays, lets get A. Bryant back to DE.....and, if we MUST keep him, do the same with Kruger.....these 2 aint OLB's. Point blank.
My money is on Poyer...
Right....Id say, now more than ever, we have personnel that best fits a 4-3......we have a ton of 4-3 DE's we are trying to morph into OLB's.....and we have a wealth of interior DT's, we are using as DE's and we have a shortage of versatile LB's, which we are spinning our wheels on with guys like Kruger, Bryant & Mingo.....so, why force ALL these guys to play out of position????......
Id use a 4 man front, something like.........A. Bryant...Shelton...Meder...ogbah.....backed by Kirksey...Davis and Orchard......
And back them up with a rotation of...........Nassib....Hughes...Cooper...Kruger....backed by Schobert..Wright....Mingo.....
Might as well sprinkle in some 5-2 sets while we're at it...
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Also known as.. every play that A.Bryant and Mingo are the ends of the line..
Saying "This DE goes to 11, see, and so I shall call him Rover" doesn't make it not a 5-2..
You've got to wonder how you could have 5-2 personnel on the field and still not shut down the run. Oh Cleveland.
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Bryant Officially moved to season-ending DL
TE David Reeves signed.
http://www.neosportsinsiders.com/cleveland-browns-place-desmond-bryant-nfi-sign-te-david-reeves/
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Bryant Officially moved to season-ending DL
TE David Reeves signed.
http://www.neosportsinsiders.com/cleveland-browns-place-desmond-bryant-nfi-sign-te-david-reeves/
Zombo said:
TE David Reeves signed.
http://www.neosportsinsiders.com/cleveland-browns-place-desmond-bryant-nfi-sign-te-david-reeves/
Oh. Oh. Harvard guys got a eye on a Dukie..Don't mind this addition at all with Devalve questionable. With coach David Cutcliff at Duke, you don't block, you don't play. This is another good move along with Nick Hayden..
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Having this conversation yet again is tedious. How long have you been a football fan and you don't know this?
Don't be stupid. Defensive Ends rush the passer. It is a primary requirement of the position.
If you are a fucking defensive end you rush the fucking passer. What is it about that YOU don't fucking understand?
I don't care if it is a fucking 4-3 or a 3-4....that is what DEs do. I have known this since like 1960. Do you not yet know this simple fact about football?
Do OLBs ALSO have responsibility to rush the passer? Certainly.
But look at this list of the 25 career leaders in sacks.
1Bruce Smith200.01985-20032TM
2Reggie White198.01985-20003TM
3Kevin Greene160.01985-19994TM
4Chris Doleman150.51985-19993TM
5Michael Strahan141.51993-2007nyg
6Jason Taylor139.51997-20113TM
7Richard Dent137.51983-19974TM
John Randle137.51990-20032TM
9Julius Peppers136.02002-20153TM
Jared Allen136.02004-20154TM11
DeMarcus Ware134.52005-20152TM
12John Abraham133.52000-20143TM
13Lawrence Taylor132.51981-1993nyg
Leslie O'Neal132.51986-19993TM
15Rickey Jackson128.01981-19952TM
16Derrick Thomas126.51989-1999kan
17Simeon Rice122.01996-20074TM
18Clyde Simmons121.51986-20005TM
19Dwight Freeney119.52002-20153TM
20Robert Mathis118.02003-2015clt
21Sean Jones113.01984-19963TM
22Greg Townsend109.51983-19972TM
23Pat Swilling107.51986-19983TM
24Terrell Suggs106.52003-2015rav
25Trace Armstrong106.01989-20033TM2
2/3rds to 3/4ths are guys that played the DE position. This just since 1982 when the stat was created. Guys like Jones and Eller don't actually show up here.
Same here:
1 Clay Matthews 1978 1993 232 ROLB 124 14 205 1 36 0 24 1 13 29 1 62.0 1430 0
2 Michael Dean Perry 1988 1994 109 RDT 78 10 0 7 14 1 51.5 470 10
3 Rob Burnett 1990 1995 93 LDE 44 2 0 7 9 0 40.5 305 28
4 Carl Hairston 1984 1989 92 RDE 41 0 0 3 0 0 37.5
5 Reggie Camp 1983 1987 70 LDE 32 0 0 2 0 0 35.0
6 Anthony Pleasant 1990 1995 94 RDE 37 9 0 1 4 0 33.5 273 24 1
7 Chip Banks 1982 1986 73 LOLB 55 5 117 1 65 0 0 0 6 17 0 27.5
8 Kamerion Wimbley 2006 2009 63 ROLB 29 1 2 0 2 4 6 0 3 1 0 26.5 183 65
9 Jabaal Sheard 2011 2014 61 DE 29 0 0 0 0 12 7 0 2 5 0 23.0 122 68
10 Kenard Lang 2002 2005 62 LDE 28 2 71 0 71 8 3 0 1 8 0 22.5 155 53
11 Jamir Miller 1999 2001 47 LLB 28 2 0 0 0 14 4 0 0 0 0 22.5 238 62
12 Paul Kruger 2013 2015 48 DE 21 0 0 0 0 9 6 0 1 0 0 18.0 78 49
13 Courtney Brown 2000 2004 47 LDE 24 0 0 0 0 8 6 0 6 26 1 17.0 135 35
8 of Browns top 13 sackers have been DEs. 4 have been OLBs.....one was a DT.
So, tell me again how it is that you have rewritten the history of football by putting primary emphasis for pass rushing on LBs and not on DEs?
Don't be stupid. Defensive Ends rush the passer. It is a primary requirement of the position.
If you are a fucking defensive end you rush the fucking passer. What is it about that YOU don't fucking understand?
I don't care if it is a fucking 4-3 or a 3-4....that is what DEs do. I have known this since like 1960. Do you not yet know this simple fact about football?
Do OLBs ALSO have responsibility to rush the passer? Certainly.
But look at this list of the 25 career leaders in sacks.
1Bruce Smith200.01985-20032TM
2Reggie White198.01985-20003TM
3Kevin Greene160.01985-19994TM
4Chris Doleman150.51985-19993TM
5Michael Strahan141.51993-2007nyg
6Jason Taylor139.51997-20113TM
7Richard Dent137.51983-19974TM
John Randle137.51990-20032TM
9Julius Peppers136.02002-20153TM
Jared Allen136.02004-20154TM11
DeMarcus Ware134.52005-20152TM
12John Abraham133.52000-20143TM
13Lawrence Taylor132.51981-1993nyg
Leslie O'Neal132.51986-19993TM
15Rickey Jackson128.01981-19952TM
16Derrick Thomas126.51989-1999kan
17Simeon Rice122.01996-20074TM
18Clyde Simmons121.51986-20005TM
19Dwight Freeney119.52002-20153TM
20Robert Mathis118.02003-2015clt
21Sean Jones113.01984-19963TM
22Greg Townsend109.51983-19972TM
23Pat Swilling107.51986-19983TM
24Terrell Suggs106.52003-2015rav
25Trace Armstrong106.01989-20033TM2
So, tell me again how it is that you have rewritten the history of football by putting primary emphasis for pass rushing on LBs and not on DEs?
This might be somewhat relevant considering where Ray Horton got most of his training and ideologies as a coach under Dick LeBeau - how many 5 techniques from Pittsburgh made that list? Not even Brett Keisel? Doesn't surprise me. When LeBeau was there - the OLBs like James Harrison, LaMarr Woodley, Joey Porter, Jason Gildon, Kevin Greene, Greg Lloyd, Chad Brown usually were the designated pass rushers. Sometimes the 5 techniques would get a nice little biscuit upfield if Pittsburgh slanted to the wide side of the field or strength of formation.
Last time here, Horton said he wanted to use hybrid fronts but an injury volume up front had him using 3 man fronts most of the time while kicking Taylor and Rubin out of inside comfort zones to 5 techniques neither seemed well wired for. This time, our personnel seems best suited for 4 man fronts especially with our best 5 technique out for the year. It'll be interesting to see what he does with our Defense.
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