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  • @oldbrownsfan said:

    Socialism has destroyed Venezuela. There shouldn't even be an argument there.

    How Socialism Has Destroyed Venezuela

    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/how-socialism-has-destroyed-venezuela

    Yes yes and i can find numerous stating how capitalism destroyed zimbabwe and argentina blah blah blah i take all that with the same grain of salt. Ive lived long enough now to inteinsically understand most fatal flaws of humans....capitalism or socialism matters next to nothing.

    @clevfan4life said:

    Yes yes and i can find numerous stating how capitalism destroyed zimbabwe and argentina

    You can? Let's see 'em.

    WSS

  • @oldbrownsfan said:

    Socialism has destroyed Venezuela. There shouldn't even be an argument there.

    How Socialism Has Destroyed Venezuela

    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/how-socialism-has-destroyed-venezuela

    Yes yes and i can find numerous stating how capitalism destroyed zimbabwe and argentina blah blah blah i take all that with the same grain of salt. Ive lived long enough now to inteinsically understand most fatal flaws of humans....capitalism or socialism matters next to nothing.

    Posted Yesterday, 07:00 PM

    Clevfan4life, on 11 Aug 2016 - 6:51 PM, said:snapback.png

    @clevfan4life said:

    Yes yes and i can find numerous stating how capitalism destroyed zimbabwe and argentina


    You can? Let's see 'em.
    WSS

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    oh, boy, this should be good.... ! Go ahead, Cleve, make our hay.

  • Karl Marx understood the evils of capitalism when he said that the proletariat will rise up against the bourgeoisie. We can't disagree that we are seeing that today with politicians running on "income inequality" and fast food workers wanting $15 an hour, and sit-ins like Occupy Wall Street and millennials wanting more pay with very little experience and irrelevant liberal arts degrees. Marx believed that capitalism creates an imbalance of classes, and to some degree he was right. But Socialism/Communism has shown, historically, they don't work either. I don't know if a mix of democratic socialism is the fix either.

    What capitalism does foster is growth, invention and ingenuity and the ability for an individual to succeed. Capitalism also aligns itself more so with our constitution. But how do we fix some of the actual extremes that Marx' predicts while keeping our constitution in tact and making sure that property and individual pursuit of life, liberty and happiness are not infringed, while, supporting those that are in honest need of help, financially, employment, etc., while decreasing the numbers of those that are habitual, lifetime, welfare recipients?

    I look forward to reading honest solutions.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    Yes yes and i can find numerous stating how capitalism destroyed zimbabwe and argentina

    You can? Let's see 'em.

    WSS

  • Posted Yesterday, 07:00 PM

    Clevfan4life, on 11 Aug 2016 - 6:51 PM, said:snapback.png

    @clevfan4life said:

    Yes yes and i can find numerous stating how capitalism destroyed zimbabwe and argentina


    You can? Let's see 'em.
    WSS

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    oh, boy, this should be good.... ! Go ahead, Cleve, make our hay.

    @calfoxwc said:

    Posted Yesterday, 07:00 PM

    Clevfan4life, on 11 Aug 2016 - 6:51 PM, said:snapback.png

    You can? Let's see 'em.

    WSS

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    oh, boy, this should be good.... ! Go ahead, Cleve, make our hay.

    http://en.internationalism.org/wr/315/zimbabwe

  • Experience sometimes is the best teacher. After living through the horrible economy of Jimmy Carter and seeing Reagan after him have an economic boom that lasted for many years after he left office the answer is really simple. Get government off the backs of the people, lower taxes and turn the American people loose. It works amazingly well.

    A booming economy is the cure for all the ills and not government micromanagement. With a booming economy you have recruiters in college wooing graduates instead of grads coming out of college with no job prospects. With a booming economy employers treat employees better and pay them better. They see those employees and new employees as valuable assets instead of today as employers are looking at more at what it will cost them to hire new employees.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Posted Yesterday, 07:00 PM

    Clevfan4life, on 11 Aug 2016 - 6:51 PM, said:snapback.png

    You can? Let's see 'em.

    WSS

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    oh, boy, this should be good.... ! Go ahead, Cleve, make our hay.

    http://en.internationalism.org/wr/315/zimbabwe

    @clevfan4life said:

    I would say that isn't so much the economic system as it is that Zimbabwe is ruled by a strong man piece of shit. Mugabe regularly stole private property to "give it back to the people". That is why the farms and mines went into the shitter.

  • Reagan blew upour currency. It was a ride that could never last forever. Im tired of people giving him credit for doing things with basically blank checks handed to him. We're still paying formtje excesses of the 80's and none of u seemto get it. You whine about govt spending constantly though

  • Reagan blew upour currency. It was a ride that could never last forever. Im tired of people giving him credit for doing things with basically blank checks handed to him. We're still paying formtje excesses of the 80's and none of u seemto get it. You whine about govt spending constantly though

    @clevfan4life said:

    Reagan blew upour currency. It was a ride that could never last forever. Im tired of people giving him credit for doing things with basically blank checks handed to him. We're still paying formtje excesses of the 80's and none of u seemto get it. You whine about govt spending constantly though

    Did you read about Reagan Cleve or did you live through it? Did you live through the economic mess of the Carter years and see and experience what happened under Reagan? And don't forget Reagan was working with a democratic congress and he was only able to get tax cuts through by not cutting spending.

    We are almost 20 trillion in debt today with half of that coming from Obama's term alone. What do we have to show for all of Obama's spending? A powerful military..nope...a booming economy...nope... job creation...nope...our infrastructure rebuilt...nope

    As for Zimbabwe Cleve without even googling anything I can tell you Mugabe over there forced out thousands of prosperous white farmers from their farms solely because they were white and gave that land many times to his cronies who knew nothing about farming and the land went to waste....add to that the incompetence and corruption of Mugabe and you have the mess he created over there

  • Reagan blew upour currency. It was a ride that could never last forever. Im tired of people giving him credit for doing things with basically blank checks handed to him. We're still paying formtje excesses of the 80's and none of u seemto get it. You whine about govt spending constantly though

    @clevfan4life said:

    Reagan blew upour currency. It was a ride that could never last forever. Im tired of people giving him credit for doing things with basically blank checks handed to him. We're still paying formtje excesses of the 80's and none of u seemto get it. You whine about govt spending constantly though

    "None of u"....hey now.

    I don't get weak in the knees and swoon every time I hear Reagan's name. I know full well that the borrowing has been going on for awhile.

  • More Anti-Small Business Job Killing Policies Coming From Obama Administration

    Maybe someday politicians in Washington will read the U.S. Census data that show small businesses are responsible for over 90% of the net new jobs in America and finally understand anti-small business policies are economic suicide.

    http://www.redstate.com/diary/lloydchapman/2016/08/12/anti-small-business-job-killing-policies-coming-obama-administration/

  • @clevfan4life said:

    Reagan blew upour currency. It was a ride that could never last forever. Im tired of people giving him credit for doing things with basically blank checks handed to him. We're still paying formtje excesses of the 80's and none of u seemto get it. You whine about govt spending constantly though

    "None of u"....hey now.

    I don't get weak in the knees and swoon every time I hear Reagan's name. I know full well that the borrowing has been going on for awhile.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    "None of u"....hey now.

    I don't get weak in the knees and swoon every time I hear Reagan's name. I know full well that the borrowing has been going on for awhile.

    Ok good u get it, at least one of you understands.

  • But if mugabe was socialist and forced out all those white farmers the reason for zimbabwe's collapse would be socialism and very little do with who's farming what.

    And this is my point. Mismanagement is mismanagement. socialism and capitalism is a continuum in any case. There is no pure socialist or capitalist country on tje planet. We're about as capitalist as there is and we've got major problems. Is that a slight against capitalism or did we mismanage our versionif it? Was the incessant commoditization of everything good for us? Wr're the most obese people on the planet so i can assure you the commoditization of our food chain is directly redponsible for that. I know alot of u will scoff but think about that as ur shoving ur midmorning snack down the piehole cause if u dont eat every 2-3 hours u get dizzy. Thats not natural for humans....

    #warriordietftw

  • But if mugabe was socialist and forced out all those white farmers the reason for zimbabwe's collapse would be socialism and very little do with who's farming what.

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    Mugabe is a socialist.

    Mugabe returns to socialism

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/16/zimbabwe.andrewmeldrum

  • But if mugabe was socialist and forced out all those white farmers the reason for zimbabwe's collapse would be socialism and very little do with who's farming what.

    And this is my point. Mismanagement is mismanagement. socialism and capitalism is a continuum in any case. There is no pure socialist or capitalist country on tje planet. We're about as capitalist as there is and we've got major problems. Is that a slight against capitalism or did we mismanage our versionif it? Was the incessant commoditization of everything good for us? Wr're the most obese people on the planet so i can assure you the commoditization of our food chain is directly redponsible for that. I know alot of u will scoff but think about that as ur shoving ur midmorning snack down the piehole cause if u dont eat every 2-3 hours u get dizzy. Thats not natural for humans....

    #warriordietftw

    @clevfan4life said:

    But if mugabe was socialist and forced out all those white farmers the reason for zimbabwe's collapse would be socialism and very little do with who's farming what.

    And this is my point. Mismanagement is mismanagement. socialism and capitalism is a continuum in any case. There is no pure socialist or capitalist country on tje planet. We're about as capitalist as there is and we've got major problems. Is that a slight against capitalism or did we mismanage our versionif it? Was the incessant commoditization of everything good for us? Wr're the most obese people on the planet so i can assure you the commoditization of our food chain is directly redponsible for that. I know alot of u will scoff but think about that as ur shoving ur midmorning snack down the piehole cause if u dont eat every 2-3 hours u get dizzy. Thats not natural for humans....

    #warriordietftw

    So your issue with capitalism is fat people and you are using it as an advertisement for fasting?

  • @clevfan4life said:

    http://www.marxist.com/zimbabwe-failure-capitalism.htm

    Yeah Cleve that's the one I put up there. From an avowed Marxist website...

    And bold move there pimping Mugabe.

    😉

    WSS

  • PS call me racist but Africa is simply fucked up. You can probably find successful socialism in some Scandinavian areas. I mean if that's the route you want to go.

    WSS

  • @clevfan4life said:

    http://www.marxist.com/zimbabwe-failure-capitalism.htm

    Yeah Cleve that's the one I put up there. From an avowed Marxist website...

    And bold move there pimping Mugabe.

    😉

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Yeah Cleve that's the one I put up there. From an avowed Marxist website...

    And bold move there pimping Mugabe.

    😉

    WSS

    Well now remember wjat my contention was that you challenged me on....you said i couldnt find any articles. I couldnt give a rats fuck about the content of these links, some of its right some of its wrong im sure. And whete the fuck did i pimp mugabe? Do you know how pimping is used in a sentence properly?
  • @westside-steve said:

    Yeah Cleve that's the one I put up there. From an avowed Marxist website...

    And bold move there pimping Mugabe.

    😉

    WSS

    Well now remember wjat my contention was that you challenged me on....you said i couldnt find any articles. I couldnt give a rats fuck about the content of these links, some of its right some of its wrong im sure. And whete the fuck did i pimp mugabe? Do you know how pimping is used in a sentence properly?

    @clevfan4life said:

    Well now remember wjat my contention was that you challenged me on....you said i couldnt find any articles. I couldnt give a rats fuck about the content of these links, some of its right some of its wrong im sure. And whete the fuck did i pimp mugabe? Do you know how pimping is used in a sentence properly?

    Yes Einstein Mugabi is now a socialist. One of yours. 🙂

    And since you seem to be reading challenged I said go ahead and post them. Not that their warrant some hard left sites that extol the virtues of Marxism.

    WSS