K'Waun Williams Cut
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Hue obviously has the final say, but this had to come up through Horton.
The stranger has a speculative point about the concussion risk, but it is not exactly far-fetched.
As for helping the coach win... if he was demoted to 2nd string, then the coach wasn't all that high on him.
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IMHO, a large part of why so many players are "all in" with Hue is that he (unlike a previous HC) doesn't go public with player issues/concerns. He keeps it in house & has the player's trust as a result. I, as usual, am not buying media speculation as fact. The fact is that Williams is suspended 2 games. Why? We may never know the whole story, but it is what it is, so GO BROWNS!
Mike
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IMHO, a large part of why so many players are "all in" with Hue is that he (unlike a previous HC) doesn't go public with player issues/concerns. He keeps it in house & has the player's trust as a result. I, as usual, am not buying media speculation as fact. The fact is that Williams is suspended 2 games. Why? We may never know the whole story, but it is what it is, so GO BROWNS!
Mike
IMHO, a large part of why so many players are "all in" with Hue is that he (unlike a previous HC) doesn't go public with player issues/concerns. He keeps it in house & has the player's trust as a result. I, as usual, am not buying media speculation as fact. The fact is that Williams is suspended 2 games. Why? We may never know the whole story, but it is what it is, so GO BROWNS!
Mike
Exactly!
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/08/browns_kwaun_williams_told_he.html
K'Waun Williams told he needs ankle surgery; will appeal Browns' suspension and fine
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Browns cornerback K'Waun Williams was told by a specialist today that he needs surgery to remove bone spurs from his right ankle "in order for him to perform as a professional,'' his agent told cleveland.com.As a result, Williams will appeal his two-game suspension and one-game fine by the Browns."We will appeal the suspension and fine through the NFLPA,'' Krakower said.The fine amounts to more than $35,000 or 1/17th of his $600,000 salary.A league source said Williams left the Green Bay game Friday night claiming he was going to retire and then came back the next day saying his ankle was injured.But a source close to Williams said the nickelback made the team aware on Friday night that the sore ankle was the reason he couldn't play.Williams had the second opinion on the ankle at the Cleveland Clinic Wednesday at about 5 p.m.NFL Network reported that Williams opted not to play because nickelback Jamar Taylor was starting ahead of him, but the source told cleveland.com that was untrue.The source said Williams was still ailing from the ankle injury first suffered while defending Rashard Higgins on a pass from Robert Griffin III in the Orange and Browns scrimmage at Ohio State. He was seen by a trainer after coming up limping that day and received treatment the day before the Packers game.More to come soon. -
This is a bad look for the browns. He said he wasn't feeling right and the coaching staff say they giving him a full workload in a preseason game. Alot of leaked info here to make K'waun look bad. Coaching staff and medical staff need to make this right.
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well now don't you all hue huggers feel like asses?
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well now don't you all hue huggers feel like asses?
I wouldn't put this squarely on the head coach, they do need look into the medical staff that cleared him. They didn't believe in his injury he was complaining about and instead of going out of house to figure out what was ailing him, they just lead or allowed the coaching staff to believe he was faking an injury. That's not a doctor they need around.
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Stop rooting against the guy, Mik.
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What are the facts? From where did the "facts" come?...A source? Mary Kay? NFL.com? (who reported our signing Jordan Cameron when he signed with Miami?) PLEASE!
We don't know crap, yet you guys continue to grant credibility to known gossip mongers! They may be right, but we don't know yet & has anyone heard of HIPPA?
Mike
IN DORSEY I TRUST -
when he walked in and said he was going to retire...
that says a lot. Ankle or no ankle, the cleveland clinic may have said the
ankle was fine.
We don't know.
But "I'm going to retire" after the GB game? That wasn't over the ankle - that was over
him being po'd about losing playing time. Oh, and btw, it was multiple instances of breaking
team rules. As in, more than one team rule.
That indicates he is an attitude problem over something. There's more to the story.
Come on. Seriously.
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Could have been a case of him just joking around. "Man this ankle hurts so f'ing bad I'm retiring." Then a big game of telephone gets played and people think he was serious.
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when he walked in and said he was going to retire...
that says a lot. Ankle or no ankle, the cleveland clinic may have said the
ankle was fine.
We don't know.
But "I'm going to retire" after the GB game? That wasn't over the ankle - that was over
him being po'd about losing playing time. Oh, and btw, it was multiple instances of breaking
team rules. As in, more than one team rule.
That indicates he is an attitude problem over something. There's more to the story.
Come on. Seriously.
when he walked in and said he was going to retire...
that says a lot. Ankle or no ankle, the cleveland clinic may have said the
ankle was fine.
We don't know.
But "I'm going to retire" after the GB game? That wasn't over the ankle - that was over
him being po'd about losing playing time. Oh, and btw, it was multiple instances of breaking
team rules. As in, more than one team rule.
That indicates he is an attitude problem over something. There's more to the story.
Come on. Seriously.
the rest of the cleveland.com article had more. Could be he doesn't like it here and wants out. In the last year of his contract too. if the 49ers want him? Adios.
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when he walked in and said he was going to retire...
that says a lot. Ankle or no ankle, the cleveland clinic may have said the
ankle was fine.
We don't know.
But "I'm going to retire" after the GB game? That wasn't over the ankle - that was over
him being po'd about losing playing time. Oh, and btw, it was multiple instances of breaking
team rules. As in, more than one team rule.
That indicates he is an attitude problem over something. There's more to the story.
Come on. Seriously.
the rest of the cleveland.com article had more. Could be he doesn't like it here and wants out. In the last year of his contract too. if the 49ers want him? Adios.
the rest of the cleveland.com article had more. Could be he doesn't like it here and wants out. In the last year of his contract too. if the 49ers want him? Adios.
I wonder, if it is bone spurs, why did he keep it a secret, apparently?, right up until he
was playing in a practice game, and THEN say he can't go anymore?
And, it was -multiple breaking of rules- per whoever made the report.
Here's another thing I wonder...if he had had surgery in the off season to fix the bone spurs? he isn't getting paid, right?
(or not, I don't know). But maybe if he waits until the season starts, after the trade deadline, after the draft...
during the season.... and he reports it then... he gets paid for games even though he can't play?
I don't know how all that works,.... just wondering, ya?
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Bone spurs don't develop over night, dude should've been a pro and had it taken care of in the off season.
Don't be too quick to judge. I've had bone spurs before and didn't even know it untill I injured something else. Shoulder. Had em twice and the 1st time it was a torn labrum and bone spurs. 2nd was a rotor tear and bone spurs. Neither time did the bone spurs even hurt until I tore something else. He might not even realised something was wrong until they looked. He's probablly just running with the story now.Bone spurs don't develop over night, dude should've been a pro and had it taken care of in the off season.
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"The Cleveland Browns have suspended cornerback K'Waun Williams for two weeks and fined him for multiple violations of team rules."
How does an ankle problem make a player violate multiple team rules?
Did he wait right up til gametime vs GB to let them know he wasn't able to play? When
his ankle was hurt the week before? There's more to this story....
Just a guess - but needing surgery for bone spurs didn't just happen at that scrimmage at OSU.
It's possible he was going for one more paid season on a problem ankle, and couldn't hide it anymore.
Or, didn't want to.
HEY! Somethin ain't "accordion" to Hoyle, here, boys.
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What are the facts? From where did the "facts" come?...A source? Mary Kay? NFL.com? (who reported our signing Jordan Cameron when he signed with Miami?) PLEASE!
We don't know crap, yet you guys continue to grant credibility to known gossip mongers! They may be right, but we don't know yet & has anyone heard of HIPPA?
Mike
What are the facts? From where did the "facts" come?...A source? Mary Kay? NFL.com? (who reported our signing Jordan Cameron when he signed with Miami?) PLEASE!
We don't know crap, yet you guys continue to grant credibility to known gossip mongers! They may be right, but we don't know yet & has anyone heard of HIPPA?
Mike
As with almost all of this stuff, the truth is in the middle. The Browns would not have overtly suspended the dude for having a known bum ankle, don't be morons.
I see the scenario being something like this: Williams says he can play, realizes in the GB game he can't. Already feeling the pressure from Taylor and his potential depth chart demotion, he's probably pissed at the scenario. The Browns coaches probably fan the fire with a type of comment like "we understand you're hurt, but if taylor keeps getting the reps and you can't he is sure to be starting week 1". Williams gets pissy at that, says fine I'll retire or some crap like that and storms off.
The next day the guy realizes that was nothing short of stupid so he comes back around but has to "prove" he's pretty banged up and doesn't want to get shown up. Queue him not returning to the team, etc and thus the 2 week fine.
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Don't be too quick to judge. I've had bone spurs before and didn't even know it untill I injured something else. Shoulder. Had em twice and the 1st time it was a torn labrum and bone spurs. 2nd was a rotor tear and bone spurs. Neither time did the bone spurs even hurt until I tore something else. He might not even realised something was wrong until they looked. He's probablly just running with the story now.Bone spurs don't develop over night, dude should've been a pro and had it taken care of in the off season.
Don't be too quick to judge. I've had bone spurs before and didn't even know it untill I injured something else. Shoulder. Had em twice and the 1st time it was a torn labrum and bone spurs. 2nd was a rotor tear and bone spurs. Neither time did the bone spurs even hurt until I tore something else. He might not even realised something was wrong until they looked. He's probablly just running with the story now.
... and the injuries you suffered may have been due to compensating for the underlying condition.
Even if "aware" there's always the hope that "rest" will produce the cure. I put off my shoulder for nearly two years in that hope. But turns out torn labrums don't respond to rest.
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