Top 5 Rivalries
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In general Steelers are enemy #1 among Brown, Ravens, and Bengals fans..
In general a Steeler fans ranking would go something like this.
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Cowboys
4. Pats
5. Browns
Reluctant to even put the Browns on the list though. Sad fact is they aren't respected enough to even hate.
In general Steelers are enemy #1 among Brown, Ravens, and Bengals fans..
In general a Steeler fans ranking would go something like this.
Reluctant to even put the Browns on the list though. Sad fact is they aren't respected enough to even hate.Yup... Historically success determined the "enemies" factor and competitiveness the rivalry factor...
... but in the age of the internet fans of other teams wandering into another "camp" can skew things.
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In general Steelers are enemy #1 among Brown, Ravens, and Bengals fans..
In general a Steeler fans ranking would go something like this.
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Cowboys
4. Pats
5. Browns
Reluctant to even put the Browns on the list though. Sad fact is they aren't respected enough to even hate.
In general Steelers are enemy #1 among Brown, Ravens, and Bengals fans..
In general a Steeler fans ranking would go something like this.
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Cowboys
4. Pats
5. Browns
Reluctant to even put the Browns on the list though. Sad fact is they aren't respected enough to even hate.
That can change instantaneously. See this Sporting New site. I has the Browns/Steelers and Browns/Bengals as two of the top ten rivalries in the NFL. Also has Steeler/Ravens
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In general Steelers are enemy #1 among Brown, Ravens, and Bengals fans..
In general a Steeler fans ranking would go something like this.
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Cowboys
4. Pats
5. Browns
Reluctant to even put the Browns on the list though. Sad fact is they aren't respected enough to even hate.
Raiders vs Steelers was great in the 70s.
You guys vs the Pats is probably like Browns-Broncos. broncos have our number, Pats have yours.
Raiders vs Steelers was great in the 70s.
You guys vs the Pats is probably like Browns-Broncos. broncos have our number, Pats have yours.
I am of the opinion that just because 2 teams are good at the same time, that does not make a real rivalry.
Browns/Broncos....not really....just a product of 3 matchups in AFC title games.
Steelers/Pats? No...same thing....if that is the case then the Pats have a rivalry with the Ravens as well.
I mean, what if in the next 5 years the Browns and the Jaguars became so good that they would meet in a couple of AFC title games....would that make an instantaneous rivalry? Not really.
The Broncos are still on the Browns list because that is the most recent teams we have had to butt heads with on a consitent basis in postseason play.
As someone noted, Browns once met the Cowboys in the playoffs 3 years in a row.....and while perhaps in his mind that still remains a big rivalry.....I think he is alone in that factor.
Browns once met both Lions and Rams on a consistent basis. Rams used to be in Cleveland. Should that be a factor? That was a big rivalry then....should it still be? Not really.
No, I think the proximity rivalries are probably the best. In that respect then, the NFL misses out. Could you see biannual meetings of the Jets/Giants? 49ers/Raiders? Redskins/Ravens? Cowboys/Texans? Miami/Tampa?
These would be premier rivalries if they were allowed to happen.
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I don't know Gip, I think great rivalries happen over a period of hotly contested games. Raiders-Steelers, and Raiders-Dolphins were truly great games when I was a kid. When Stabler was falling down, and flipped that pass to Clarence Davis, it ended the Dolphins run of greatness.
People may disagree with me, but I'd say the best NFL rivalries are Browns-Steelers, Bears-Packers, Raiders-Chiefs, Saints-Falcons, Raiders-Chargers, Cowboys-Redskins.
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I don't know Gip, I think great rivalries happen over a period of hotly contested games. Raiders-Steelers, and Raiders-Dolphins were truly great games when I was a kid. When Stabler was falling down, and flipped that pass to Clarence Davis, it ended the Dolphins run of greatness.
People may disagree with me, but I'd say the best NFL rivalries are Browns-Steelers, Bears-Packers, Raiders-Chiefs, Saints-Falcons, Raiders-Chargers, Cowboys-Redskins.
I don't know Gip, I think great rivalries happen over a period of hotly contested games. Raiders-Steelers, and Raiders-Dolphins were truly great games when I was a kid. When Stabler was falling down, and flipped that pass to Clarence Davis, it ended the Dolphins run of greatness.
So, you would be one to buy into the great Buffalo/Jacksonville Rivalry....if it were to come to pass that those teams were good at the same time and met in the playoffs a few times? Sorry, I don't buy it.
People may disagree with me, but I'd say the best NFL rivalries are Browns-Steelers, Bears-Packers, Raiders-Chiefs, Saints-Falcons, Raiders-Chargers, Cowboys-Redskins.
Those are big intradivisional rivalries based on some sort of geographic connection....except Dallas/Washington....which has the Cowboys and Indians thing going for it. So they at least make some sense.
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I don't know Gip, I think great rivalries happen over a period of hotly contested games. Raiders-Steelers, and Raiders-Dolphins were truly great games when I was a kid. When Stabler was falling down, and flipped that pass to Clarence Davis, it ended the Dolphins run of greatness.
People may disagree with me, but I'd say the best NFL rivalries are Browns-Steelers, Bears-Packers, Raiders-Chiefs, Saints-Falcons, Raiders-Chargers, Cowboys-Redskins.
I don't know Gip, I think great rivalries happen over a period of hotly contested games. Raiders-Steelers, and Raiders-Dolphins were truly great games when I was a kid. When Stabler was falling down, and flipped that pass to Clarence Davis, it ended the Dolphins run of greatness.
People may disagree with me, but I'd say the best NFL rivalries are Browns-Steelers, Bears-Packers, Raiders-Chiefs, Saints-Falcons, Raiders-Chargers, Cowboys-Redskins.
Agree... division alignments set the stage, but playoff clashes cinch rivalries... and to meet there you have to successful.
Saints-Falcons is only one I don't see in your "divisional rivals" list. I'd be prone to sub in the 'Boys-Giants... another divisional one. One developing one is the Seahawks-Cards, but the clock on the Cards' side may be ticking on its development.
Odd that the Pats don't have a divisional one that springs to mind... too dominant I guess. Only Pats rival that comes to mind is the Colts because of their semi-recent playoff clashes.
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I don't know Gip, I think great rivalries happen over a period of hotly contested games. Raiders-Steelers, and Raiders-Dolphins were truly great games when I was a kid. When Stabler was falling down, and flipped that pass to Clarence Davis, it ended the Dolphins run of greatness.
People may disagree with me, but I'd say the best NFL rivalries are Browns-Steelers, Bears-Packers, Raiders-Chiefs, Saints-Falcons, Raiders-Chargers, Cowboys-Redskins.
Agree... division alignments set the stage, but playoff clashes cinch rivalries... and to meet there you have to successful.
Saints-Falcons is only one I don't see in your "divisional rivals" list. I'd be prone to sub in the 'Boys-Giants... another divisional one. One developing one is the Seahawks-Cards, but the clock on the Cards' side may be ticking on its development.
Odd that the Pats don't have a divisional one that springs to mind... too dominant I guess. Only Pats rival that comes to mind is the Colts because of their semi-recent playoff clashes.
Agree... division alignments set the stage, but playoff clashes cinch rivalries... and to meet there you have to successful.
Saints-Falcons is only one I don't see in your "divisional rivals" list. I'd be prone to sub in the 'Boys-Giants... another divisional one. One developing one is the Seahawks-Cards, but the clock on the Cards' side may be ticking on its development.
Odd that the Pats don't have a divisional one that springs to mind... too dominant I guess. Only Pats rival that comes to mind is the Colts because of their semi-recent playoff clashes.
The Jets believe that they are a rival of the Pats. Before Brady and BB arrived that was a pretty even up rivalry. But, its like the Browns/Steelers, one side has been overly dominant lately.
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I don't know Gip, I think great rivalries happen over a period of hotly contested games. Raiders-Steelers, and Raiders-Dolphins were truly great games when I was a kid. When Stabler was falling down, and flipped that pass to Clarence Davis, it ended the Dolphins run of greatness.
People may disagree with me, but I'd say the best NFL rivalries are Browns-Steelers, Bears-Packers, Raiders-Chiefs, Saints-Falcons, Raiders-Chargers, Cowboys-Redskins.
Agree... division alignments set the stage, but playoff clashes cinch rivalries... and to meet there you have to successful.
Saints-Falcons is only one I don't see in your "divisional rivals" list. I'd be prone to sub in the 'Boys-Giants... another divisional one. One developing one is the Seahawks-Cards, but the clock on the Cards' side may be ticking on its development.
Odd that the Pats don't have a divisional one that springs to mind... too dominant I guess. Only Pats rival that comes to mind is the Colts because of their semi-recent playoff clashes.
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Agree... division alignments set the stage, but playoff clashes cinch rivalries... and to meet there you have to successful.
Saints-Falcons is only one I don't see in your "divisional rivals" list. I'd be prone to sub in the 'Boys-Giants... another divisional one. One developing one is the Seahawks-Cards, but the clock on the Cards' side may be ticking on its development.
Odd that the Pats don't have a divisional one that springs to mind... too dominant I guess. Only Pats rival that comes to mind is the Colts because of their semi-recent playoff clashes.
The Jets believe that they are a rival of the Pats. Before Brady and BB arrived that was a pretty even up rivalry. But, its like the Browns/Steelers, one side has been overly dominant lately.
But, its like the Browns/Steelers, one side has been overly dominant lately.
lol..yeah "lately". ...as in approaching 3 decades.
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In general Steelers are enemy #1 among Brown, Ravens, and Bengals fans..
In general a Steeler fans ranking would go something like this.
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Cowboys
4. Pats
5. Browns
Reluctant to even put the Browns on the list though. Sad fact is they aren't respected enough to even hate.
That can change instantaneously. See this Sporting New site. I has the Browns/Steelers and Browns/Bengals as two of the top ten rivalries in the NFL. Also has Steeler/Ravens
That can change instantaneously. See this Sporting New site. I has the Browns/Steelers and Browns/Bengals as two of the top ten rivalries in the NFL. Also has Steeler/Ravens
Yep, can change in an instant...that last Steeler Bengals playoff fiasco proved that.
Vontage Burthdefect and company now at the top many Steeler fans "most hated" list.
No doubt Steelers-Browns once one of the greatest rivalries...but that rivalry went with the old browns to Baltimore.
The series is 24-20 and they beat the fuck out of each other. Should be like that here. Modell gave your colors back, but couldn't give back the rivalry. He stole a lot.
You are an old fart...do you remember the incident when Jack Lambert paid a visit to the browns locker room after a game in Cleveland?
I think it had something to do with his on field altercation with Brian Sipe. ...his "QB should wear dresses" quote came out of that.
I cant find any story about that on the net. That 70's rivalry was something else.
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That can change instantaneously. See this Sporting New site. I has the Browns/Steelers and Browns/Bengals as two of the top ten rivalries in the NFL. Also has Steeler/Ravens
Yep, can change in an instant...that last Steeler Bengals playoff fiasco proved that.
Vontage Burthdefect and company now at the top many Steeler fans "most hated" list.
No doubt Steelers-Browns once one of the greatest rivalries...but that rivalry went with the old browns to Baltimore.
The series is 24-20 and they beat the fuck out of each other. Should be like that here. Modell gave your colors back, but couldn't give back the rivalry. He stole a lot.
You are an old fart...do you remember the incident when Jack Lambert paid a visit to the browns locker room after a game in Cleveland?
I think it had something to do with his on field altercation with Brian Sipe. ...his "QB should wear dresses" quote came out of that.
I cant find any story about that on the net. That 70's rivalry was something else.
Vontage Burthdefect...
Not bad... but lay off the "old fart" stuff... junior...
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That can change instantaneously. See this Sporting New site. I has the Browns/Steelers and Browns/Bengals as two of the top ten rivalries in the NFL. Also has Steeler/Ravens
Yep, can change in an instant...that last Steeler Bengals playoff fiasco proved that.
Vontage Burthdefect and company now at the top many Steeler fans "most hated" list.
No doubt Steelers-Browns once one of the greatest rivalries...but that rivalry went with the old browns to Baltimore.
The series is 24-20 and they beat the fuck out of each other. Should be like that here. Modell gave your colors back, but couldn't give back the rivalry. He stole a lot.
You are an old fart...do you remember the incident when Jack Lambert paid a visit to the browns locker room after a game in Cleveland?
I think it had something to do with his on field altercation with Brian Sipe. ...his "QB should wear dresses" quote came out of that.
I cant find any story about that on the net. That 70's rivalry was something else.
Yep, can change in an instant...that last Steeler Bengals playoff fiasco proved that.
Vontage Burthdefect and company now at the top many Steeler fans "most hated" list.
You are an old fart...do you remember the incident when Jack Lambert paid a visit to the browns locker room after a game in Cleveland?
I think it had something to do with his on field altercation with Brian Sipe. ...his "QB should wear dresses" quote came out of that.
I cant find any story about that on the net. That 70's rivalry was something else.
From the "old far department".....
The incident came in 1978, in a game against the Browns when Lambert was called for a late hit on Cleveland quarterback Brian Sipe. It was a 15 yard roughing the passer penalty. Lambert was mobbed by the Browns bench, but he was not ejected. He was, though, called into NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle's office to explain his actions. A week after the incident, Lambert and the Steelers were playing on Monday Night Football and Lambert drew more attention to himself by complaining to a reporter about how quarterbacks get too much protection. His choice of expressing this disapproval, though, was stating, "Quarterbacks should wear dresses."
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That can change instantaneously. See this Sporting New site. I has the Browns/Steelers and Browns/Bengals as two of the top ten rivalries in the NFL. Also has Steeler/Ravens
Yep, can change in an instant...that last Steeler Bengals playoff fiasco proved that.
Vontage Burthdefect and company now at the top many Steeler fans "most hated" list.
No doubt Steelers-Browns once one of the greatest rivalries...but that rivalry went with the old browns to Baltimore.
The series is 24-20 and they beat the fuck out of each other. Should be like that here. Modell gave your colors back, but couldn't give back the rivalry. He stole a lot.
You are an old fart...do you remember the incident when Jack Lambert paid a visit to the browns locker room after a game in Cleveland?
I think it had something to do with his on field altercation with Brian Sipe. ...his "QB should wear dresses" quote came out of that.
I cant find any story about that on the net. That 70's rivalry was something else.
Yep, can change in an instant...that last Steeler Bengals playoff fiasco proved that.
Vontage Burthdefect and company now at the top many Steeler fans "most hated" list.
No doubt Steelers-Browns once one of the greatest rivalries...but that rivalry went with the old browns to Baltimore.
No, it didn't asshole. Nothing of the Browns went to Baltimore. The reason that Balt/Pitt has been a good rivalry has been because those teams have been fighting it out for supremacy in the division the last 15 or so years. It has nothing to do with the Browns rivalry. That is competiveness...pure and simple. Not history.
The series is 24-20 and they beat the fuck out of each other. Should be like that here. Modell gave your colors back, but couldn't give back the rivalry. He stole a lot.
Modell didn't do shit....but fuck up his team's finances, be forced to sell his team, and die.
The reason the Browns Steelers rivalry hasn't been so good lately is because the Browns have been poorly managed and poorly coached these last 17 years. Pure and simple....the Browns have sucked.
If the Browns, by odd chance were to sweep the Steelers this year (yes, unlikely) you would know that the rivalry is as big as it ever was.
You are an old fart...do you remember the incident when Jack Lambert paid a visit to the browns locker room after a game in Cleveland?
I think it had something to do with his on field altercation with Brian Sipe. ...his "QB should wear dresses" quote came out of that.
I cant find any story about that on the net. That 70's rivalry was something else.
I don't think that is the game where Lambert made that statement. Lambert "paying a visit to the Browns locker room, was nothing but him showing off, it accomplished nothing." And I am not sure why he would have been out for Sipe in the locker room. He got in his cheap shots on the field enough times.
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Yep, can change in an instant...that last Steeler Bengals playoff fiasco proved that.
Vontage Burthdefect and company now at the top many Steeler fans "most hated" list.
You are an old fart...do you remember the incident when Jack Lambert paid a visit to the browns locker room after a game in Cleveland?
I think it had something to do with his on field altercation with Brian Sipe. ...his "QB should wear dresses" quote came out of that.
I cant find any story about that on the net. That 70's rivalry was something else.
From the "old far department".....
The incident came in 1978, in a game against the Browns when Lambert was called for a late hit on Cleveland quarterback Brian Sipe. It was a 15 yard roughing the passer penalty. Lambert was mobbed by the Browns bench, but he was not ejected. He was, though, called into NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle's office to explain his actions. A week after the incident, Lambert and the Steelers were playing on Monday Night Football and Lambert drew more attention to himself by complaining to a reporter about how quarterbacks get too much protection. His choice of expressing this disapproval, though, was stating, "Quarterbacks should wear dresses."
From the "old far department".....
The incident came in 1978, in a game against the Browns when Lambert was called for a late hit on Cleveland quarterback Brian Sipe. It was a 15 yard roughing the passer penalty. Lambert was mobbed by the Browns bench, but he was not ejected. He was, though, called into NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle's office to explain his actions. A week after the incident, Lambert and the Steelers were playing on Monday Night Football and Lambert drew more attention to himself by complaining to a reporter about how quarterbacks get too much protection. His choice of expressing this disapproval, though, was stating, "Quarterbacks should wear dresses."
Well, maybe that was the timing of it. I just know it did not immediately come after that game. Maybe a week or so later. As for Lambert's statement, things have only gone further and further to protect QBs. In this day and age for repeated offenses....like the repeated cheapshots Lambert took on Sipe, he could be suspended for mulitple games.
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Oh BTW the undersized Lambert who was surrounded by 10 other good players on defense had several other run ins with Sipe, ah some good memories all in all back then at the Ol' Muni.
Oh BTW the undersized Lambert who was surrounded by 10 other good players on defense had several other run ins with Sipe, ah some good memories all in all back then at the Ol' Muni.
Yes, Lambert was not the only cheapshot artist. Joe Greene was infamous for dirty play as well. And maybe a couple of others. A lot of those Steelers did not have that rep...Ham, Russell, etc.
James Harrison is simply the successor in interest to Lambert. LB from Akron Area high school, going to Kent St...then to Steelers to become a cheapshot artist. Oh Well.
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Oh BTW the undersized Lambert who was surrounded by 10 other good players on defense had several other run ins with Sipe, ah some good memories all in all back then at the Ol' Muni.
Yes, Lambert was not the only cheapshot artist. Joe Greene was infamous for dirty play as well. And maybe a couple of others. A lot of those Steelers did not have that rep...Ham, Russell, etc.
James Harrison is simply the successor in interest to Lambert. LB from Akron Area high school, going to Kent St...then to Steelers to become a cheapshot artist. Oh Well.
Oh yeah but don't go to a Pittsburgh bar and say that, sports myths tend to grow and get more glorious as years go by. Lambert was goofy looking without his false teeth in place but made for great posters.Yes, Lambert was not the only cheapshot artist. Joe Greene was infamous for dirty play as well. And maybe a couple of others. A lot of those Steelers did not have that rep...Ham, Russell, etc.
James Harrison is simply the successor...... Oh Well.
Yes he was a good player on a team with good athletes but it was during the cheap shot era and they were "super" at it. And yes they did have some really decent good players like Jack Ham, Andy Russell, Tony Dungy but they had some thugs remember the DL guy who was picked up for shooting at a police helicopter on the Ohio Turnpike? There's some trivia for you.
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Oh yeah but don't go to a Pittsburgh bar and say that, sports myths tend to grow and get more glorious as years go by. Lambert was goofy looking without his false teeth in place but made for great posters.Yes, Lambert was not the only cheapshot artist. Joe Greene was infamous for dirty play as well. And maybe a couple of others. A lot of those Steelers did not have that rep...Ham, Russell, etc.
James Harrison is simply the successor...... Oh Well.
Yes he was a good player on a team with good athletes but it was during the cheap shot era and they were "super" at it. And yes they did have some really decent good players like Jack Ham, Andy Russell, Tony Dungy but they had some thugs remember the DL guy who was picked up for shooting at a police helicopter on the Ohio Turnpike? There's some trivia for you.
Oh yeah but don't go to a Pittsburgh bar and say that, sports myths tend to grow and get more glorious as years go by. Lambert was goofy looking without his false teeth in place but made for great posters.
Well, if you win 4 titles in 6 years, your fans are going to forget/forgive something like dirty play.
The thing is, they were good enough to win...and did win, without the dirty play. They just also liked being dirty. I guess they felt they had to keep up with the Joneses that were their biggest threat to AFC predominance: the Raiders. Who were also dirty cheapshot artists.
Sort of a game of one upmanship, perhaps?
Yes he was a good player on a team with good athletes but it was during the cheap shot era and they were "super" at it. And yes they did have some really decent good players like Jack Ham, Andy Russell, Tony Dungy
Well, they had a lot of HOF players....Russell and Dungy not among them. (or if by decent, you mean respectful, not cheapshotters...yes those guys fit)
but they had some thugs remember the DL guy who was picked up for shooting at a police helicopter on the Ohio Turnpike? There's some trivia for you.
OK, I remember the incident. Can't recall the player. (White guy...Polish name?)
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