Updated Depth Chart - Bucs game
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Notes/Questions on the Depth chart/team:
1. To me, it seems that besides Nassib, the best performing rookie so far this year has been Kindred. Anyone agree?
2. WTF is going on with Armonty Bryant. He is listed as backup DE.....but is anyone counting on him. Still no word from the league on suspension?
3. Gordon listed as 4th string? I guess he has a lot to prove to this coaching staff.
4. They have Coleman as our #1 punt returner. Is he supposed to get a crack at doing that before the regular season starts?
5. Seth DeValve, 7th string TE. 7th string. I didn't know that a team could actually go down to a 7th string.
Notes/Questions on the Depth chart/team:
1. To me, it seems that besides Nassib, the best performing rookie so far this year has been Kindred. Anyone agree?
2. WTF is going on with Armonty Bryant. He is listed as backup DE.....but is anyone counting on him. Still no word from the league on suspension?
3. Gordon listed as 4th string? I guess he has a lot to prove to this coaching staff.
4. They have Coleman as our #1 punt returner. Is he supposed to get a crack at doing that before the regular season starts?
5. Seth DeValve, 7th string TE. 7th string. I didn't know that a team could actually go down to a 7th string.
1. I agree.
2. No.
3. Hes with the 1s. And hes gone for the first 4 games. Cant take away valuable reps for the other guys. But how in the heck is Moore ahead of him? Haha
4. I hope hes just a receiver.
5. I had high hopes for this guy. Has shown nothing to make this roster.
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Notes/Questions on the Depth chart/team:
1. To me, it seems that besides Nassib, the best performing rookie so far this year has been Kindred. Anyone agree?
2. WTF is going on with Armonty Bryant. He is listed as backup DE.....but is anyone counting on him. Still no word from the league on suspension?
3. Gordon listed as 4th string? I guess he has a lot to prove to this coaching staff.
4. They have Coleman as our #1 punt returner. Is he supposed to get a crack at doing that before the regular season starts?
5. Seth DeValve, 7th string TE. 7th string. I didn't know that a team could actually go down to a 7th string.
Notes/Questions on the Depth chart/team:
1. To me, it seems that besides Nassib, the best performing rookie so far this year has been Kindred. Anyone agree?
Haven't seen Coleman (either) yet, I suspect and hope he'll be our best performing rookie. But yes, Nassib and Kindred have looked solid against the 2s.
2. WTF is going on with Armonty Bryant. He is listed as backup DE.....but is anyone counting on him. Still no word from the league on suspension?
He was suspended for the first four games, in about March. Not sure where you got the idea there was no word.
As for contribution - we'll see. He's shown flashes and we'll be short at DE, so who knows, but if he doesn't break out this year he'll be gone.
3. Gordon listed as 4th string? I guess he has a lot to prove to this coaching staff.
As said, he's working with the 1s
4. They have Coleman as our #1 punt returner. Is he supposed to get a crack at doing that before the regular season starts?
Yes, that's the plan
5. Seth DeValve, 7th string TE. 7th string. I didn't know that a team could actually go down to a 7th string.
We'll see. He's 'only' a 4th round pick, but that could still be a solid contributor. Let's hope he's doing something we're unaware of. I know he was injured at some point.
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Josh Gordon is now receiving first team reps, which isn't totally shocking. Hue Jackson needs to see what he looks like against the first team defense, and also what he brings to the table with the starting offense. It shouldn't come as a surprise to hear that Joe Haden said Gordon looks just like he used to, except he's a little bigger. This is something that Browns fans have dreamed of for so long. Josh Gordon on the field, torturing people. Apparently he abused Justin Gilbert (no surprise), and also caught a TD on Patterson.
The main thing for Josh is to obviously adhere to his conditions, but to also have fun and feel included. If he feels that he has friends and people care about him, I believe he'll have a better chance of silencing the demons. I never thought Josh was a "bad guy", so I hope for so many reasons that this is it for him. What he can do on the field is rare, and many of us remember his abilities all to well. He does things in an easy fashion, and he's silky smooth. Oh, and he's big. Very big. With long arms and an explosive first step.
Lord I want him on our team...for a long time.
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Devalve was injured up until a week more ago, so he is behind. His major input may not come until next year.
I don't why people think Marlon Moore is a joke or something, not only is he our top special teamer, but he proved last year to be a tough receiver when given a chance.
Z
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Devalve was injured up until a week more ago, so he is behind. His major input may not come until next year.
I don't why people think Marlon Moore is a joke or something, not only is he our top special teamer, but he proved last year to be a tough receiver when given a chance.
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Zombo said:
Devalve was injured up until a week more ago, so he is behind. His major input may not come until next year.
I don't why people think Marlon Moore is a joke or something, not only is he our top special teamer, but he proved last year to be a tough receiver when given a chance.
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By now he should be at least serviceable at his route running, and though he may not be super fast or big, he can probably be a viable slot receiver in a pinch. A poor man's poor man's poor man's wes welker, I guess.
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Glad to see Telfer listed as the #2 TE.. here's hoping Hue wakes up and sees every TE as more NFL-ready than our current FB's..
K'waun couldn't be any further down the depth chart.
No way Nassib is behind Hayden at this point.. Look for Hayden to be released sometime soon..
Still think Scooby and Alexander should both be listed ahead of the bottom-of-the-52-caliber backup LB's named Carder and Tuggle.. The issue is that we know Carder/Tuggle's ceilings, and the back-of-52 slots should (IMHO) be reserved for players who have growth potential. Those guys do not..
How is Gilbert still a #2 CB?
Who is this Dan France character, and why aren't Bailey/Drango being groomed to at least be backups to both..
Jennings and Moore and Gabriel.. thanks, but goodbye.
Mostert is a KR.. because he has the most drops?
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Glad to see Telfer listed as the #2 TE.. here's hoping Hue wakes up and sees every TE as more NFL-ready than our current FB's..
K'waun couldn't be any further down the depth chart.
No way Nassib is behind Hayden at this point.. Look for Hayden to be released sometime soon..
Still think Scooby and Alexander should both be listed ahead of the bottom-of-the-52-caliber backup LB's named Carder and Tuggle.. The issue is that we know Carder/Tuggle's ceilings, and the back-of-52 slots should (IMHO) be reserved for players who have growth potential. Those guys do not..
How is Gilbert still a #2 CB?
Who is this Dan France character, and why aren't Bailey/Drango being groomed to at least be backups to both..
Jennings and Moore and Gabriel.. thanks, but goodbye.
Mostert is a KR.. because he has the most drops?
Glad to see Telfer listed as the #2 TE.. here's hoping Hue wakes up and sees every TE as more NFL-ready than our current FB's..
K'waun couldn't be any further down the depth chart.
No way Nassib is behind Hayden at this point.. Look for Hayden to be released sometime soon..
Still think Scooby and Alexander should both be listed ahead of the bottom-of-the-52-caliber backup LB's named Carder and Tuggle.. The issue is that we know Carder/Tuggle's ceilings, and the back-of-52 slots should (IMHO) be reserved for players who have growth potential. Those guys do not..
How is Gilbert still a #2 CB?
Who is this Dan France character, and why aren't Bailey/Drango being groomed to at least be backups to both..
Jennings and Moore and Gabriel.. thanks, but goodbye.
Mostert is a KR.. because he has the most drops?
You just cut our two best special teamers, Carder and Moore.
Z
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Glad to see Telfer listed as the #2 TE.. here's hoping Hue wakes up and sees every TE as more NFL-ready than our current FB's..
K'waun couldn't be any further down the depth chart.
No way Nassib is behind Hayden at this point.. Look for Hayden to be released sometime soon..
Still think Scooby and Alexander should both be listed ahead of the bottom-of-the-52-caliber backup LB's named Carder and Tuggle.. The issue is that we know Carder/Tuggle's ceilings, and the back-of-52 slots should (IMHO) be reserved for players who have growth potential. Those guys do not..
How is Gilbert still a #2 CB?
Who is this Dan France character, and why aren't Bailey/Drango being groomed to at least be backups to both..
Jennings and Moore and Gabriel.. thanks, but goodbye.
Mostert is a KR.. because he has the most drops?
You just cut our two best special teamers, Carder and Moore.
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Zombo said:
You just cut our two best special teamers, Carder and Moore.
Z
Not really that heartbroken.
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Hayden and Nassib play two different positions. Hayden is an end in our base and inside in sub packages.
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Notes/Questions on the Depth chart/team:
1. To me, it seems that besides Nassib, the best performing rookie so far this year has been Kindred. Anyone agree?
2. WTF is going on with Armonty Bryant. He is listed as backup DE.....but is anyone counting on him. Still no word from the league on suspension?
3. Gordon listed as 4th string? I guess he has a lot to prove to this coaching staff.
4. They have Coleman as our #1 punt returner. Is he supposed to get a crack at doing that before the regular season starts?
5. Seth DeValve, 7th string TE. 7th string. I didn't know that a team could actually go down to a 7th string.
Notes/Questions on the Depth chart/team:
1. To me, it seems that besides Nassib, the best performing rookie so far this year has been Kindred. Anyone agree?
2. WTF is going on with Armonty Bryant. He is listed as backup DE.....but is anyone counting on him. Still no word from the league on suspension?
3. Gordon listed as 4th string? I guess he has a lot to prove to this coaching staff.
4. They have Coleman as our #1 punt returner. Is he supposed to get a crack at doing that before the regular season starts?
5. Seth DeValve, 7th string TE. 7th string. I didn't know that a team could actually go down to a 7th string.
Wasnt Armonty Bryant injured last year..?
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Notes/Questions on the Depth chart/team:
1. To me, it seems that besides Nassib, the best performing rookie so far this year has been Kindred. Anyone agree?
2. WTF is going on with Armonty Bryant. He is listed as backup DE.....but is anyone counting on him. Still no word from the league on suspension?
3. Gordon listed as 4th string? I guess he has a lot to prove to this coaching staff.
4. They have Coleman as our #1 punt returner. Is he supposed to get a crack at doing that before the regular season starts?
5. Seth DeValve, 7th string TE. 7th string. I didn't know that a team could actually go down to a 7th string.
Wasnt Armonty Bryant injured last year..?
Wasnt Armonty Bryant injured last year..?
Maybe, but that is not his problem now. I think he was suspended for PEDs for the first 4 upcoming games.....and then there is the other gun/drug issue that he has. He may not be here at all this year.
Anyone have a status report? He is/was one of our best DL.
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Glad to see Telfer listed as the #2 TE.. here's hoping Hue wakes up and sees every TE as more NFL-ready than our current FB's..
K'waun couldn't be any further down the depth chart.
No way Nassib is behind Hayden at this point.. Look for Hayden to be released sometime soon..
Still think Scooby and Alexander should both be listed ahead of the bottom-of-the-52-caliber backup LB's named Carder and Tuggle.. The issue is that we know Carder/Tuggle's ceilings, and the back-of-52 slots should (IMHO) be reserved for players who have growth potential. Those guys do not..
How is Gilbert still a #2 CB?
Who is this Dan France character, and why aren't Bailey/Drango being groomed to at least be backups to both..
Jennings and Moore and Gabriel.. thanks, but goodbye.
Mostert is a KR.. because he has the most drops?
You just cut our two best special teamers, Carder and Moore.
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Zombo said:
You just cut our two best special teamers, Carder and Moore.
And I'd do it again.. Neither are capable backups. They have shown repeatedly they cannot play the game at an NFL level.
Carder/Moore may be decent at ST, but you can't afford roster spots for purely ST players when your starters aren't good enough. When we don't have a good roster, you have to take a shot at a developmental/"potential" player who may become a baller. Or, at least, starter-level..
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Jamar Taylor given a chance to unseat Tra mon Williams as starting CB.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/08/browns_cornerback_jamar_taylor.html
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Zombo said:
Jamar Taylor given a chance to unseat Tra mon Williams as starting CB.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/08/browns_cornerback_jamar_taylor.html
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No surprise there- T Williams was pretty mediocre last year. I expect the other K Williams to be traded for a sack of seeds.
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Zombo said:
Jamar Taylor given a chance to unseat Tra mon Williams as starting CB.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/08/browns_cornerback_jamar_taylor.html
Z
No surprise there- T Williams was pretty mediocre last year. I expect the other K Williams to be traded for a sack of seeds.
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Glad to see Telfer listed as the #2 TE.. here's hoping Hue wakes up and sees every TE as more NFL-ready than our current FB's..
K'waun couldn't be any further down the depth chart.
No way Nassib is behind Hayden at this point.. Look for Hayden to be released sometime soon..
Still think Scooby and Alexander should both be listed ahead of the bottom-of-the-52-caliber backup LB's named Carder and Tuggle.. The issue is that we know Carder/Tuggle's ceilings, and the back-of-52 slots should (IMHO) be reserved for players who have growth potential. Those guys do not..
How is Gilbert still a #2 CB?
Who is this Dan France character, and why aren't Bailey/Drango being groomed to at least be backups to both..
Jennings and Moore and Gabriel.. thanks, but goodbye.
Mostert is a KR.. because he has the most drops?
Glad to see Telfer listed as the #2 TE.. here's hoping Hue wakes up and sees every TE as more NFL-ready than our current FB's..
No way Nassib is behind Hayden at this point.. Look for Hayden to be released sometime soon..
Who is this Dan France character, and why aren't Bailey/Drango being groomed to at least be backups to both..
So would Tefler be glad as he presently the #3.
Nassib is situational for the present. Another 10-20 pound of muscle and he'll start. Right now he struggles vs. the run.
France shocked me Week 2. Actually looked like he belonged out there... not used to seeing that in our Joe T. back-ups.
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Zombo said:
You just cut our two best special teamers, Carder and Moore.
And I'd do it again.. Neither are capable backups. They have shown repeatedly they cannot play the game at an NFL level.
Carder/Moore may be decent at ST, but you can't afford roster spots for purely ST players when your starters aren't good enough. When we don't have a good roster, you have to take a shot at a developmental/"potential" player who may become a baller. Or, at least, starter-level..
And I'd do it again.. Neither are capable backups. They have shown repeatedly they cannot play the game at an NFL level.
Carder/Moore may be decent at ST, but you can't afford roster spots for purely ST players when your starters aren't good enough. When we don't have a good roster, you have to take a shot at a developmental/"potential" player who may become a baller. Or, at least, starter-level..
They aren't decent special teamers they are very good special teamers ... which is why they have lasted.
And Moore can fill in at WR OK as well. Carder isn't much of a Linebacker, but who is? Tuggle? Scooby?
You've got your starters, key backups and guys you have invested high draft picks in. Then the last five or six guys make it on special teams.
If we have future starter-level guys on the bottom 5 or six roster spots who can also excel on special teams, I will be excited to see Carder and Moore go. I don't think that is the case.
Even the New Englands and Pittsburghs of the world keep special team studs over projects. Projects will lose you games.
Zombo
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And I'd do it again.. Neither are capable backups. They have shown repeatedly they cannot play the game at an NFL level.
Carder/Moore may be decent at ST, but you can't afford roster spots for purely ST players when your starters aren't good enough. When we don't have a good roster, you have to take a shot at a developmental/"potential" player who may become a baller. Or, at least, starter-level..
They aren't decent special teamers they are very good special teamers ... which is why they have lasted.
And Moore can fill in at WR OK as well. Carder isn't much of a Linebacker, but who is? Tuggle? Scooby?
You've got your starters, key backups and guys you have invested high draft picks in. Then the last five or six guys make it on special teams.
If we have future starter-level guys on the bottom 5 or six roster spots who can also excel on special teams, I will be excited to see Carder and Moore go. I don't think that is the case.
Even the New Englands and Pittsburghs of the world keep special team studs over projects. Projects will lose you games.
Zombo
Zombo said:
They aren't decent special teamers they are very good special teamers ... which is why they have lasted.
And Moore can fill in at WR OK as well. Carder isn't much of a Linebacker, but who is? Tuggle? Scooby?
You've got your starters, key backups and guys you have invested high draft picks in. Then the last five or six guys make it on special teams.
If we have future starter-level guys on the bottom 5 or six roster spots who can also excel on special teams, I will be excited to see Carder and Moore go. I don't think that is the case.
Even the New Englands and Pittsburghs of the world keep special team studs over projects. Projects will lose you games.
Zombo
Key is "their guys". The current Browns FO is clearly more invested in "their guys"...as are most new FOs, and they want to see "their guys" make the team, over "the previous guy's guys).....especially if the previous guys guys were really not all that and a bag of chips.
The Browns FO is rebuilding. They have done it with the QBs, a lot of the rest of the offense, and the defense. Not sure why STs should be sacrosanct.
I just want them to get someone that can return a fucking kick.
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Zombo said:
They aren't decent special teamers they are very good special teamers ... which is why they have lasted.
And Moore can fill in at WR OK as well. Carder isn't much of a Linebacker, but who is? Tuggle? Scooby?
You've got your starters, key backups and guys you have invested high draft picks in. Then the last five or six guys make it on special teams.
If we have future starter-level guys on the bottom 5 or six roster spots who can also excel on special teams, I will be excited to see Carder and Moore go. I don't think that is the case.
Even the New Englands and Pittsburghs of the world keep special team studs over projects. Projects will lose you games.
Zombo
Key is "their guys". The current Browns FO is clearly more invested in "their guys"...as are most new FOs, and they want to see "their guys" make the team, over "the previous guy's guys).....especially if the previous guys guys were really not all that and a bag of chips.
The Browns FO is rebuilding. They have done it with the QBs, a lot of the rest of the offense, and the defense. Not sure why STs should be sacrosanct.
I just want them to get someone that can return a fucking kick.
Key is "their guys". The current Browns FO is clearly more invested in "their guys"...as are most new FOs, and they want to see "their guys" make the team, over "the previous guy's guys).....especially if the previous guys guys were really not all that and a bag of chips.
The Browns FO is rebuilding. They have done it with the QBs, a lot of the rest of the offense, and the defense. Not sure why STs should be sacrosanct.
I just want them to get someone that can return a fucking kick.
We kept the same special teams coach, and Tabor has had a lot of say on other rosters, guess we'll have to see on this one.
Kick returners look good: Mozart as KR and Coleman PR
Mozart runs a 4.3 40 and has a 27.9 Kick return average in the NFL on 19 returns, pretty good sample size
Zombo
Zombo
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