Where to start.....
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You guys and gals sound like a bunch of whining fans, you'd think the BROWNS haven't won anything since LBJ was president and the preseason looks like crap so far.
.....oh wait that's largely true. Geezzz is this like the movie MAJOR LEAGUE only with the BROWNS in their place and nobody goes to the games anymore.
All we need now is a BROWNS version of Harry Doyle.
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Well I did like that movie plus Cleveland is a football town and probably always will be so we carry on.
And some of those Indians games with a few thousand fans we kind of fun actually plus after the movie the Indians started winning again. ...... yeah we need another movie in Cleveland about the BROWNS this time ! Hasn't been one since the Fortune Cookie in the 1960s right? (Forget the War Room it kinda stunk anyway.)
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Fuck the Steelers I wish they would all die in a plane crash.
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If I take any solace from this regime's approach, it is that despite 14 picks they did not try to fix everything in one off-season. Clearly this draft was dedicated to fixing the WR position.
That is different.
Maybe next year it's LBs...
As for "foundation"... TBD. Anything more optimistic is rose-colored thinking... not as rose-colored as those that thought Dwayne Bowe was the answer to our WR size deficit (and I can find you, if I need to), but still rose-colored.
And last I checked the last thing done before a foundation pour was leveling with sand...
... packed and framed to prevent shifting, but sand."When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If I take any solace from this regime's approach, it is that despite 14 picks they did not try to fix everything in one off-season. Clearly this draft was dedicated to fixing the WR position.
That is different.
Maybe next year it's LBs...
As for "foundation"... TBD. Anything more optimistic is rose-colored thinking... not as rose-colored as those that thought Dwayne Bowe was the answer to our WR size deficit (and I can find you, if I need to), but still rose-colored.
And last I checked the last thing done before a foundation pour was leveling with sand...
... packed and framed to prevent shifting, but sand.If I take any solace from this regime's approach, it is that despite 14 picks they did not try to fix everything in one off-season. Clearly this draft was dedicated to fixing the WR position.
That is different.
Maybe next year it's LBs...
As for "foundation"... TBD. Anything more optimistic is rose-colored thinking... not as rose-colored as those that thought Dwayne Bowe was the answer to our WR size deficit (and I can find you, if I need to), but still rose-colored.
And last I checked the last thing done before a foundation pour was leveling with sand...
... packed and framed to prevent shifting, but sand.Well said.
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Zombo said:
77Bengals ... he's a fucking Retard. He's very fucking patronizing ... fuck him. If these guys come in here and want to talk shit ... they will get a name change. That's their sentence. And I don't care if you think it's juvenile ... it's not changing.
Zombo
Oh really?
I don't recollect me "talking shit" much, and I can talk shit cause I could punk you all day long, lol
Unlike that little patronizing faggot, I pretty much stay out of threads dealing with the Browns, respecting the obvious fact that this is your board.
I rarely talk shit, I talk truth and you don't like hearing it. That's why I get the name change.
Isn't that right Zombo? Be honest now.
I've lived most my life near Cleveland, and most everyone I know or have worked with is a browns fan, and we get along just fine.
So "Why cant we just get along" here? lol
Oh really?
I don't recollect me "talking shit" much, and I can talk shit cause I could punk you all day long, lol
Unlike that little patronizing faggot, I pretty much stay out of threads dealing with the Browns, respecting the obvious fact that this is your board.
I rarely talk shit, I talk truth and you don't like hearing it. That's why I get the name change.
Isn't that right Zombo? Be honest now.
I've lived most my life near Cleveland, and most everyone I know or have worked with is a browns fan, and we get along just fine.
So "Why cant we just get along" here? lol
Shut up, asshole.
Z
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go back and watch. Kruger was being held badly, and no call. Again and again.
I suspect the wimpy refs aren't in shape, and want to let a lot of crap slide til the start
of the regular season - makes the games shorter.
No need Calsies. Jerry Sherk got held all the time and made the Pro Bowl in spite of it.
If you're the real thing there's no such thing as "yeah but I got held." Wattshisname gets held almost every play and he sees way more double teams than Kruger commands.
When the OT was holding the back of Kruger's jersey behind the shoulder pads, did you notice Kruger was standing straight up with his base/legs already forfeited while the OT maintained a lower pad height? There's your game over with Kruger. If he doesn't know this by now, we don't need to keep the record skipping with Wiley Coyote on the edge.
No need Calsies. Jerry Sherk got held all the time and made the Pro Bowl in spite of it.
If you're the real thing there's no such thing as "yeah but I got held." Wattshisname gets held almost every play and he sees way more double teams than Kruger commands.
When the OT was holding the back of Kruger's jersey behind the shoulder pads, did you notice Kruger was standing straight up with his base/legs already forfeited while the OT maintained a lower pad height? There's your game over with Kruger. If he doesn't know this by now, we don't need to keep the record skipping with Wiley Coyote on the edge.
hahasies - I figured you might notice more than I did. But Jerry Sherk and Wattsamattay University graduate
J.J. "rhino" Wattsies played for good defenses. Not all players are the same.
Speaking of Jerry Sherk, one of my favorite Browns players of all time...this is a great article about Sherk and Dieken, etc,
and the violence of the game.....
http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index.ssf/2013/10/former_cleveland_browns_doug_d.html
Kruger had a great year in 2014. Back in the day, he was a lb with the ratbirds, bulked up, and played poorly in
their 3-4. To compare him to Jerry Sherk back in the day, and J.J. Wattsamatta is pretty funny.
He may have lost a step...or not. We'll find out this season. But he had his armed locked up badly, with no
referee calling it. You go back and watch, dangit. Anyways, Kruger says they are making mistakes, but
they just need to work those out. It's refreshing to hear so many Browns players think so highly of
their coaches. That right there is a step in a winning direction.
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btw, J.J. Watt - herniated disc - might not be ready for the regular season...
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well Cal....we were watching different games then....
The game I watched had Tampa Bay scoring on their first 5 drives and racking up 250 yds in the first half(against our ones)....thats right.....250 yards.....NOTHING was "shut down".....cept our D.....
THEN.....the 2nd and 3rd stringers came in for the second half and played better......but that first team?.....whoa, they were bad...
New linebackers?.....what new linebackers?......Thomas?.....cause he aint doing too much so far.....Orchard(a guy I have big hopes for) has been invisible over 3 games (2 tackles and an assist).....Kruger?...hahahaha....(zero tackles and 4 assist)......and Kirksey, who IS playing well.....the one and only....
And, based upon the Mingo trade, the FO is holding hope for Schobert, who has shown very little and appears to be easily neutralized......4 tackles in his first game, then only 2 tackles in 2 weeks.......
So.....not seeing ANY good linebacker play either.....less Kirksey(and Alexander).....
well Cal....we were watching different games then....
The game I watched had Tampa Bay scoring on their first 5 drives and racking up 250 yds in the first half(against our ones)....thats right.....250 yards.....NOTHING was "shut down".....cept our D.....
THEN.....the 2nd and 3rd stringers came in for the second half and played better......but that first team?.....whoa, they were bad...
New linebackers?.....what new linebackers?......Thomas?.....cause he aint doing too much so far.....Orchard(a guy I have big hopes for) has been invisible over 3 games (2 tackles and an assist).....Kruger?...hahahaha....(zero tackles and 4 assist)......and Kirksey, who IS playing well.....the one and only....
And, based upon the Mingo trade, the FO is holding hope for Schobert, who has shown very little and appears to be easily neutralized......4 tackles in his first game, then only 2 tackles in 2 weeks.......
So.....not seeing ANY good linebacker play either.....less Kirksey(and Alexander).....
Tank Carder maybe in his best TCamp Mud, with Kirksey. Tank played well at GB. We will need all the surprises than Cracker Jacks on D. Scooby & Alexander may decide next game, Who Sticks? Orch missed big on a score at TB..
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Does anybody realize that our first 6 picks from last year are starting this year?
I know the team sucks....so some wouldnt be elsewhere(Erving? Cooper?)....but we ALL still have high hopes and good expectations for Cooper. Orchard, Campbell, Shelton & Duke....right?
And Crow, Bitonio and Kirksey are developing into some pretty damn good players....right?.....
So....thats a lot of starters for just 2 "Browns" drafts.....
Does anybody realize that our first 6 picks from last year are starting this year?
I know the team sucks....so some wouldnt be elsewhere(Erving? Cooper?)....but we ALL still have high hopes and good expectations for Cooper. Orchard, Campbell, Shelton & Duke....right?
And Crow, Bitonio and Kirksey are developing into some pretty damn good players....right?.....
So....thats a lot of starters for just 2 "Browns" drafts.....
Mud,one of the worst things about getting into my 50s is I wear old man glasses when I gots to read; and I just don't have the short term memory when I gots to remember things as recently as the 2014 and 2015 drafts. The good news is your buddy Flugel knows he gots to Google so here's our 2014 and 2015 drafts:
Picks from 2015 NFL Draft(* = Junior; ** = Sophomore; *** = Freshman)
1 12 Danny Shelton DT Washington 6' 2" 340 1 19 Cameron Erving OT Florida State 6' 5" 315 2 51 Nate Orchard DE Utah 6' 3" 250 3 77 Duke Johnson* RB Miami 5' 9" 205 3 96 Xavier Cooper* DT Washington State 6' 4" 300 4 115 Ibraheim Campbell S Northwestern 5' 10" 210 4 123 Vince Mayle WR Washington State 6' 2" 220 6 189 Charles Gaines* CB Louisville 5' 10" 180 6 195 Malcolm Johnson TE Mississippi State 6' 2" 231 6 198 Randall Telfer TE USC 6' 4" 250 7 219 Hayes Pullard OLB USC 6' 0" 235 7 241 Ifo Ekpre-Olomu CB Oregon 5' 9" 195
Picks from 2014 NFL Draft (* = Junior; ** = Sophomore; *** = Freshman)1 8 Justin Gilbert CB Oklahoma State 6' 0" 202 1 22 Johnny Manziel** QB Texas A&M 6' 0" 207 2 35 Joel Bitonio OT Nevada 6' 4" 315 3 71 Christian Kirksey ILB Iowa 6' 2" 233 3 94 Terrance West* RB Towson 5' 9" 225 4 127 Pierre Desir CB Lindenwood University 6' 1" 191If Shelton and Erving can consistently be average in 2016 - it's quite an improvement from both first rounders. It sounds like a lot of us were excited about Orchard pre and post draft and when he finally got enough reps to where we could evaluate his performance - we were not disappointed with how he closed the 2015 season.
Duke Johnson was very exciting and we haven't seen a tremendous amount of him in this pre-season that everyone can't wait to make conclusions from.
Before I get to the rest here's something to keep in mind. When we used to be good in the 80s we'd start quality guys like Cody Riesen from round 7, Doug Dieken was in round 6 in the 70s still starting well into the 80s, Mike Baab was from round 4, Paul Farren who started at 4 different positions in round 12, Brian Brennan in round 4, Reggie Langhorne in round 7, Felix Wright undrafted, Earnest Byner in round 10, Brian Sipe in round 13 (the only MVP we've had at QB in the last 40-50 years), Thane Gash round 7, Herman Fontenot undrafted. Even when we went to the playoffs in the 90s we had undrafted LT Tony (T-Bone) Jones starting and undrafted RT Orlando Brown starting games during the stretch our 11 win team ran through fronts like Philly and Dallas.
Anyway, these are the 2015 guys Farmer looked to from round 3 to the end of the 2015 draft: Cooper, Campbell, Mayle (gone), Gaines, Malc Johnson, Telfer, Pullard (gone), Ekpre-Olomu (gone). Seems like a lot of wishful thinking and bare cupboards beneficiaries if we're being honest. Cooper flashes once in a while but I thought he'd be better. Maybe getting more reps prods that along some. We'll see.
In 2014, what competent GM with Khalil Mack on his door step - doesn't find out about the most recent work ethic of Justin Gilbert? Farmer didn't know what either guy projected so here we are wondering why we're stuck on pause with Wiley Coyote Kruger on 1 edge of our 34 always losing contain while never tackling anyone or sacking QBs. He can even drop off into coverage without whining about what he signed up for. If I'm the owner of this franchise, I gotta ask "you mean to tell me you didn't have the first clue of what Mack is capable of?"
Then, we get to the Johnny Manziel pick from our front office. As fans, we can mess this projection up. As a well paid NFL GM, you have to know there's red flags all the rest of the NFL is seeing but you and at least question why. The irony of a gotta have LBer like Mack and a QB that needs to be researched thoroughly for character/red flags actually showed up in the movie Draft Day about how the Cleveland Browns need to change fortunes at the draft. It was like Heaven above giving Ray Farmer the signs that divine intervention finally wants to help this franchise (providing this front office was awake and doing what they were supposed to be doing). The ego of Ray Farmer said "I got your signs right here so tell St Peter to salt my Peter."
Love Bitonio in spite of his soph slump d/t a former QB coach suddenly in charge of implementing blocking schemes intertwining ZBS with the blocking schemes Oakland used despite being advised the ZBS doesn't work well if it's part timed. I like Kirksey a lot too. However, the last coaching staff gave up on Terrence West and Pierre Desir feeling like they were justified in doing so.1 is gone while the other is lucky we have bare cupboards IMO. Crow was a great find in the land of the undrafted as was K'Wuan Williams (despite his lack of durability). Taylor Gabriel looks like a hard working kid that's hard to root against but 1 TD in 2 regular seasons tells me we should choose between him and our other midget (Hawkins) for the little men without TDs role in our WR Corps/offense. After that bubble screen in St Louis last year - he looked like he had Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome the rest of the season hearing footsteps and dropping passes way more frequently. We haven't really used him much in our return game and he offers us no ability to cover punts or kickoffs. He's right where you'd expect him to be hoping the worst WR Corps from 2015 still has room before it's CFL time on wider fields.
Every time I see opponents liking their chops to bullseye Gilbert and enjoy Kruger - I think of the Khalil Mack that Ray Farmer wasn't thinking of at all. The guy was on the door step of a team that has sucked forever at rushing the passer and Farmer gave that a Kung Fu kick to the very thankful Oakland Raiders. That's an epic screw up. Farmer doesn't just suck - he swallows!
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I have been a long time football fan having started out watching the Browns on the old black and white television with my dad back in the 60's. After coming to the Browns forum I realized there are some people who post here who really know the game and the x' and o's, the drafts, the front office and intricate details. So I won't argue any points on details but just generally speaking aren't we being way too pessimistic about the new restart? Three games into the pre season seems awful early to throw in the towel. You need to give it some time. I know we have had lots of time to improve the club since 99 and we haven't come close to getting the job done but you cannot lay all that on the new people who are just now trying to rebuild the club.
I have been a long time football fan having started out watching the Browns on the old black and white television with my dad back in the 60's. After coming to the Browns forum I realized there are some people who post here who really know the game and the x' and o's, the drafts, the front office and intricate details. So I won't argue any points on details but just generally speaking aren't we being way too pessimistic about the new restart? Three games into the pre season seems awful early to throw in the towel. You need to give it some time. I know we have had lots of time to improve the club since 99 and we haven't come close to getting the job done but you cannot lay all that on the new people who are just now trying to rebuild the club.
OBF- I'm not throwing in the towel- but me and Mud are calling like we see it. Right now, that Browns are a total disaster, and they're going to need to improve drastically if they want to have some hope of winning a game. With the starters in- we plain got killed. If Griffin is going to be the savior, well- the blocking has to improve 100% or he's not going to last more than a couple of games before he heads to permanent IR with another blown out knee.
And, much as Im not a fan of our new FO choices or their first draft, I do want them to succeed....and will wait(cause I have no other choice) to see how it pans out.....and like I did with Pettine and Farmer, I will pray they stay for a while, cause Im done with resets...
So....I will cheer and pray.....I will wait to see what Chachi and his boys do.....BUT, dammit, Im gonna call it like I see it and let Chachi know when I dont like the choices.....and, for me, it doesnt take 5 games, or a season or a year to assess what is happening......its a fluid thing and, no matter if it's preseason or not, shitty play and shitty players stand out.....
There are 32 teams playing preseason football.....32 teams assessing 2nd and 3rd team players.....32 teams not game planning......32 teams using vanilla schemes.....32 teams not showing their best cards......and ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, so far we are 32nd on Defense and 3ist on offense......THAT is a FACT jack...(Jack?.....another guy we shoulda drafted )
So Z- If you want to buy into the latest regime change, fine. All my optimism got drained out around two back. Young team with room to grow? Maybe. A team that currently looks as inept as the Lions team that went 0-16? Yep.
So give me some reason to believe that Sashi and DePodesta actually know what they're doing before I get on the Sunshine train.
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who didn't bust on the JF fans when they first got here? i spent plenty of time typing pages of hate their way out of some stoopid rhyme or reason. really did kinda hope that would have worked out even though i had/have no like for the kid except as a human being. meanwhile these guys are aces. except for one fan who is long been forgotten who i won't mention his name....good things came out of the aggie fanbase and would love to hang with anyone of them.
nobody here wants to be 'right' when shit doesn't work with these players and coaches. think it's easy being the grump who lives in the alley with big furry mitts always finding something to bitch about? just seen it too many times and i'll call it out whether it be right or wrong.
saw holmgren as a franchise killer when he came in and IMHO i see hue standing in the shadows behind that fuckin fat fuck. nothing so far to prove me right or wrong. hue seems like a nice guy. just don't get all the hooplah and the band marchin down the street in his honor already. mediocre HC in OAK. coached QBs, not entire teams previous to that. all afc north guys? palmer. nothing. dalton. nothing. flacco. nothing.
why do we have to go after a guy to be coach with no freakin championship rings? as axe has said. hire polian. or hire mike wolf. proven. spend the money and get gruden or parcells or cowher out of retirement and on the sidelines HERE.
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and btw, for all the QB whispering this guy has supposed to have done, why can't he whisper: "don't throw a pick 6"?
guess he missed that one or he's not that good cuz each and every one of these guys he's 'whispered' to is the ultimate lose the game in the 4th with a killer interception.
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If I take any solace from this regime's approach, it is that despite 14 picks they did not try to fix everything in one off-season. Clearly this draft was dedicated to fixing the WR position.
That is different.
Maybe next year it's LBs...
As for "foundation"... TBD. Anything more optimistic is rose-colored thinking... not as rose-colored as those that thought Dwayne Bowe was the answer to our WR size deficit (and I can find you, if I need to), but still rose-colored.
And last I checked the last thing done before a foundation pour was leveling with sand...
... packed and framed to prevent shifting, but sand.If I take any solace from this regime's approach, it is that despite 14 picks they did not try to fix everything in one off-season. Clearly this draft was dedicated to fixing the WR position.
I am glad they decided (finally after Farmer's ridiculous stance) to address WR as well, but they went a bit overboard with at least a couple they could have picked up either much later or as UFAs. I suspect a number of them will now be cut.
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Browns cut Kruger!
Browns cut Kruger!
Doesn't quite have the ring of "Down goes Frazier," but it's still Monday morning.
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I have been a long time football fan having started out watching the Browns on the old black and white television with my dad back in the 60's. After coming to the Browns forum I realized there are some people who post here who really know the game and the x' and o's, the drafts, the front office and intricate details. So I won't argue any points on details but just generally speaking aren't we being way too pessimistic about the new restart? Three games into the pre season seems awful early to throw in the towel. You need to give it some time. I know we have had lots of time to improve the club since 99 and we haven't come close to getting the job done but you cannot lay all that on the new people who are just now trying to rebuild the club.
OBF- I'm not throwing in the towel- but me and Mud are calling like we see it. Right now, that Browns are a total disaster, and they're going to need to improve drastically if they want to have some hope of winning a game. With the starters in- we plain got killed. If Griffin is going to be the savior, well- the blocking has to improve 100% or he's not going to last more than a couple of games before he heads to permanent IR with another blown out knee.
And, much as Im not a fan of our new FO choices or their first draft, I do want them to succeed....and will wait(cause I have no other choice) to see how it pans out.....and like I did with Pettine and Farmer, I will pray they stay for a while, cause Im done with resets...
So....I will cheer and pray.....I will wait to see what Chachi and his boys do.....BUT, dammit, Im gonna call it like I see it and let Chachi know when I dont like the choices.....and, for me, it doesnt take 5 games, or a season or a year to assess what is happening......its a fluid thing and, no matter if it's preseason or not, shitty play and shitty players stand out.....
There are 32 teams playing preseason football.....32 teams assessing 2nd and 3rd team players.....32 teams not game planning......32 teams using vanilla schemes.....32 teams not showing their best cards......and ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, so far we are 32nd on Defense and 3ist on offense......THAT is a FACT jack...(Jack?.....another guy we shoulda drafted )
So Z- If you want to buy into the latest regime change, fine. All my optimism got drained out around two back. Young team with room to grow? Maybe. A team that currently looks as inept as the Lions team that went 0-16? Yep.
So give me some reason to believe that Sashi and DePodesta actually know what they're doing before I get on the Sunshine train.
OBF- I'm not throwing in the towel- but me and Mud are calling like we see it. Right now, that Browns are a total disaster, and they're going to need to improve drastically if they want to have some hope of winning a game. With the starters in- we plain got killed. If Griffin is going to be the savior, well- the blocking has to improve 100% or he's not going to last more than a couple of games before he heads to permanent IR with another blown out knee.
So Z- If you want to buy into the latest regime change, fine. All my optimism got drained out around two back. Young team with room to grow? Maybe. A team that currently looks as inept as the Lions team that went 0-16? Yep.
So give me some reason to believe that Sashi and DePodesta actually know what they're doing before I get on the Sunshine train.
They hired the top coach on the market and he's busy clearing out the dead timber so th enew trees can grow, so there's that.
Zombo
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A little late to the game but good stuff as always there Mr. Mud. Honestly, the thing I think some people don't want to accept that I did months ago is this will be a LOOONG season of browns football. For once, I actually appreciated the brass calling it for what it is. They've basically said since the draft that this year was all about young guys taking lumps and hopefully molding into a cohesive unit. We dropped guys like Whitner and Kruger (which I know Mud and I can jive on) who on a great team can contribute (maybe) but on a true rebuilding team do nothing but take reps away from potential long-term starters. The Browns will be a position by week 6-7 I imagine where 75% of the starters will be guys with less than 3 years NFL experience. But you know what? That's okay. This the first time I've felt the Browns are doing this right and the way it has to be done. Stop filling in holes with decent but not great vets for the sake of winning a game or two more and being 5-11 instead of 3-13. Get the guys who you think are the future the reps early and often and let the bumps occur now instead of two years later when the investment hasn't paid off.
I get it for you older folks, I really do. I think it is pretty well known here that I'm a younger gentlemen in his mid (soon to be late) 20's so the misery isn't as set-in as you guys. But as noted, this is definitely going to be an "enjoy the ride" type of season. Hopefully these guys can show towards the back-end of the season that the team has a real future and not one of "I can't wait to see this same crap next season". Honestly, that's all we can do right? At least this rebuild is being done with 10,000 pounds of TNT as opposed to a gallon of gas.
P.S.-Will never agree with you Pettine Mud but we've had that convo once or twice.
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A little late to the game but good stuff as always there Mr. Mud. Honestly, the thing I think some people don't want to accept that I did months ago is this will be a LOOONG season of browns football. For once, I actually appreciated the brass calling it for what it is. They've basically said since the draft that this year was all about young guys taking lumps and hopefully molding into a cohesive unit. We dropped guys like Whitner and Kruger (which I know Mud and I can jive on) who on a great team can contribute (maybe) but on a true rebuilding team do nothing but take reps away from potential long-term starters. The Browns will be a position by week 6-7 I imagine where 75% of the starters will be guys with less than 3 years NFL experience. But you know what? That's okay. This the first time I've felt the Browns are doing this right and the way it has to be done. Stop filling in holes with decent but not great vets for the sake of winning a game or two more and being 5-11 instead of 3-13. Get the guys who you think are the future the reps early and often and let the bumps occur now instead of two years later when the investment hasn't paid off.
I get it for you older folks, I really do. I think it is pretty well known here that I'm a younger gentlemen in his mid (soon to be late) 20's so the misery isn't as set-in as you guys. But as noted, this is definitely going to be an "enjoy the ride" type of season. Hopefully these guys can show towards the back-end of the season that the team has a real future and not one of "I can't wait to see this same crap next season". Honestly, that's all we can do right? At least this rebuild is being done with 10,000 pounds of TNT as opposed to a gallon of gas.
P.S.-Will never agree with you Pettine Mud but we've had that convo once or twice.
I get it for you older folks, I really do. I think it is pretty well known here that I'm a younger gentlemen in his mid (soon to be late) 20's so the misery isn't as set-in as you guys. But as noted, this is definitely going to be an "enjoy the ride" type of season. Hopefully these guys can show towards the back-end of the season that the team has a real future and not one of "I can't wait to see this same crap next season". Honestly, that's all we can do right? At least this rebuild is being done with 10,000 pounds of TNT as opposed to a gallon of gas.
Yup- there's guys like me and The Gipper who are running out of "wait till next year" fast. That doesn't mean I don't at least want to see a team that looks like they know what they're doing- and at least so far in this preseason- it doesn't.
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A little late to the game but good stuff as always there Mr. Mud. Honestly, the thing I think some people don't want to accept that I did months ago is this will be a LOOONG season of browns football. For once, I actually appreciated the brass calling it for what it is. They've basically said since the draft that this year was all about young guys taking lumps and hopefully molding into a cohesive unit. We dropped guys like Whitner and Kruger (which I know Mud and I can jive on) who on a great team can contribute (maybe) but on a true rebuilding team do nothing but take reps away from potential long-term starters. The Browns will be a position by week 6-7 I imagine where 75% of the starters will be guys with less than 3 years NFL experience. But you know what? That's okay. This the first time I've felt the Browns are doing this right and the way it has to be done. Stop filling in holes with decent but not great vets for the sake of winning a game or two more and being 5-11 instead of 3-13. Get the guys who you think are the future the reps early and often and let the bumps occur now instead of two years later when the investment hasn't paid off.
I get it for you older folks, I really do. I think it is pretty well known here that I'm a younger gentlemen in his mid (soon to be late) 20's so the misery isn't as set-in as you guys. But as noted, this is definitely going to be an "enjoy the ride" type of season. Hopefully these guys can show towards the back-end of the season that the team has a real future and not one of "I can't wait to see this same crap next season". Honestly, that's all we can do right? At least this rebuild is being done with 10,000 pounds of TNT as opposed to a gallon of gas.
P.S.-Will never agree with you Pettine Mud but we've had that convo once or twice.
A little late to the game but good stuff as always there Mr. Mud. Honestly, the thing I think some people don't want to accept that I did months ago is this will be a LOOONG season of browns football. For once, I actually appreciated the brass calling it for what it is. They've basically said since the draft that this year was all about young guys taking lumps and hopefully molding into a cohesive unit. We dropped guys like Whitner and Kruger (which I know Mud and I can jive on) who on a great team can contribute (maybe) but on a true rebuilding team do nothing but take reps away from potential long-term starters. The Browns will be a position by week 6-7 I imagine where 75% of the starters will be guys with less than 3 years NFL experience. But you know what? That's okay. This the first time I've felt the Browns are doing this right and the way it has to be done. Stop filling in holes with decent but not great vets for the sake of winning a game or two more and being 5-11 instead of 3-13. Get the guys who you think are the future the reps early and often and let the bumps occur now instead of two years later when the investment hasn't paid off.
I get it for you older folks, I really do. I think it is pretty well known here that I'm a younger gentlemen in his mid (soon to be late) 20's so the misery isn't as set-in as you guys. But as noted, this is definitely going to be an "enjoy the ride" type of season. Hopefully these guys can show towards the back-end of the season that the team has a real future and not one of "I can't wait to see this same crap next season". Honestly, that's all we can do right? At least this rebuild is being done with 10,000 pounds of TNT as opposed to a gallon of gas.
P.S.-Will never agree with you Pettine Mud but we've had that convo once or twice.
It goes fast my man. The year of "The Fumble" - I was a 3rd year Freshman in college. Yeah, I took a couple classes between happy hours.
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A little late to the game but good stuff as always there Mr. Mud. Honestly, the thing I think some people don't want to accept that I did months ago is this will be a LOOONG season of browns football. For once, I actually appreciated the brass calling it for what it is. They've basically said since the draft that this year was all about young guys taking lumps and hopefully molding into a cohesive unit. We dropped guys like Whitner and Kruger (which I know Mud and I can jive on) who on a great team can contribute (maybe) but on a true rebuilding team do nothing but take reps away from potential long-term starters. The Browns will be a position by week 6-7 I imagine where 75% of the starters will be guys with less than 3 years NFL experience. But you know what? That's okay. This the first time I've felt the Browns are doing this right and the way it has to be done. Stop filling in holes with decent but not great vets for the sake of winning a game or two more and being 5-11 instead of 3-13. Get the guys who you think are the future the reps early and often and let the bumps occur now instead of two years later when the investment hasn't paid off.
I get it for you older folks, I really do. I think it is pretty well known here that I'm a younger gentlemen in his mid (soon to be late) 20's so the misery isn't as set-in as you guys. But as noted, this is definitely going to be an "enjoy the ride" type of season. Hopefully these guys can show towards the back-end of the season that the team has a real future and not one of "I can't wait to see this same crap next season". Honestly, that's all we can do right? At least this rebuild is being done with 10,000 pounds of TNT as opposed to a gallon of gas.
P.S.-Will never agree with you Pettine Mud but we've had that convo once or twice.
It goes fast my man. The year of "The Fumble" - I was a 3rd year Freshman in college. Yeah, I took a couple classes between happy hours.
It goes fast my man. The year of "The Fumble" - I was a 3rd year Freshman in college. Yeah, I took a couple classes between happy hours.
It's crazy to think before this year my dad, 57 years young, was alive for one Cleveland title and really didn't remember anyway at around 5 years old. The difference though for me is that I've had exactly two years (playoff year and 2007) to be excited about Browns football in my entire life. That might be just as sad really.
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A little late to the game but good stuff as always there Mr. Mud. Honestly, the thing I think some people don't want to accept that I did months ago is this will be a LOOONG season of browns football. For once, I actually appreciated the brass calling it for what it is. They've basically said since the draft that this year was all about young guys taking lumps and hopefully molding into a cohesive unit. We dropped guys like Whitner and Kruger (which I know Mud and I can jive on) who on a great team can contribute (maybe) but on a true rebuilding team do nothing but take reps away from potential long-term starters. The Browns will be a position by week 6-7 I imagine where 75% of the starters will be guys with less than 3 years NFL experience. But you know what? That's okay. This the first time I've felt the Browns are doing this right and the way it has to be done. Stop filling in holes with decent but not great vets for the sake of winning a game or two more and being 5-11 instead of 3-13. Get the guys who you think are the future the reps early and often and let the bumps occur now instead of two years later when the investment hasn't paid off.
I get it for you older folks, I really do. I think it is pretty well known here that I'm a younger gentlemen in his mid (soon to be late) 20's so the misery isn't as set-in as you guys. But as noted, this is definitely going to be an "enjoy the ride" type of season. Hopefully these guys can show towards the back-end of the season that the team has a real future and not one of "I can't wait to see this same crap next season". Honestly, that's all we can do right? At least this rebuild is being done with 10,000 pounds of TNT as opposed to a gallon of gas.
P.S.-Will never agree with you Pettine Mud but we've had that convo once or twice.
A little late to the game but good stuff as always there Mr. Mud. Honestly, the thing I think some people don't want to accept that I did months ago is this will be a LOOONG season of browns football. For once, I actually appreciated the brass calling it for what it is. They've basically said since the draft that this year was all about young guys taking lumps and hopefully molding into a cohesive unit. We dropped guys like Whitner and Kruger (which I know Mud and I can jive on) who on a great team can contribute (maybe) but on a true rebuilding team do nothing but take reps away from potential long-term starters. The Browns will be a position by week 6-7 I imagine where 75% of the starters will be guys with less than 3 years NFL experience. But you know what? That's okay. This the first time I've felt the Browns are doing this right and the way it has to be done. Stop filling in holes with decent but not great vets for the sake of winning a game or two more and being 5-11 instead of 3-13. Get the guys who you think are the future the reps early and often and let the bumps occur now instead of two years later when the investment hasn't paid off.
I get it for you older folks, I really do. I think it is pretty well known here that I'm a younger gentlemen in his mid (soon to be late) 20's so the misery isn't as set-in as you guys. But as noted, this is definitely going to be an "enjoy the ride" type of season. Hopefully these guys can show towards the back-end of the season that the team has a real future and not one of "I can't wait to see this same crap next season". Honestly, that's all we can do right? At least this rebuild is being done with 10,000 pounds of TNT as opposed to a gallon of gas.
P.S.-Will never agree with you Pettine Mud but we've had that convo once or twice.
I appreciate what your saying...I honestly do.....but you are assuming these young guys are gonna all be good and there is ZERO reason to believe that....MOST of them are mid to late picks, with a sprinkling of UDFA's and other teams cuts....there are only a FEW that even remotely show promise to be anything better than average(if that)....one, maybe two, who show all star potential...
So.....just because they are young, doesn't mean a damn thing......a lot of bad teams are full of young, middling and below average players.....
Honestly....this is gonna be a 5 year deal and I aint gonna participate much in it, cause Im tired of it.....at least Ill have my fall weekends back, for the first time in 40 years.....
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