Top 10 Browns players....
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Cowboys sign Manziel.... lol would that be a story....
I sincerely hope we don't trade Mccown to Dallas now. Then we'd be sooo F#$%ed if RG3 goes down.
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He's a simple exercise.....who...."based upon NFL production"....are our best players???
Cause Im trying to make a list of the top 10.....and cant......
Lets look at the 3 obvious "best players".....
1) Joe Thomas....everyones favorite....proven NFL star....but an OL who can only help so much
2) Josh Gordon....and amazing talent....man amongst boys....who has personal demons...
3) Andy Lee.....a punter (nuff said)
Now.....who are the other 7?????......hmmmmmmmm.....
4) Joe Haden?.....oft injured....basically missed last year....1 concussion away from retirement?
5) RGIII ?......Oft injured....didnt even play last year....one tackle away from retirement?
6) Pryor?.....WR with exactly 1 catch in the NFL?.....
7) Bitonio?.....the ONLY other OL who is NFL caliber....?
Barnidge....a slow one year wonder, who barely played for 6-7 seasons, then suddenly is a star?9) Dont even know who 9 is....Traymon?....cause staff has him on the bench....
10)....anyone?......
Seriously....can someone name them?....because NO ONE stands out....not a one.....scrubs(all of em)
He's a simple exercise.....who...."based upon NFL production"....are our best players???
Cause Im trying to make a list of the top 10.....and cant......
Lets look at the 3 obvious "best players".....
1) Joe Thomas....everyones favorite....proven NFL star....but an OL who can only help so much
2) Josh Gordon....and amazing talent....man amongst boys....who has personal demons...
3) Andy Lee.....a punter (nuff said)
Now.....who are the other 7?????......hmmmmmmmm.....
4) Joe Haden?.....oft injured....basically missed last year....1 concussion away from retirement?
5) RGIII ?......Oft injured....didnt even play last year....one tackle away from retirement?
6) Pryor?.....WR with exactly 1 catch in the NFL?.....
7) Bitonio?.....the ONLY other OL who is NFL caliber....?
Barnidge....a slow one year wonder, who barely played for 6-7 seasons, then suddenly is a star?9) Dont even know who 9 is....Traymon?....cause staff has him on the bench....
10)....anyone?......
Seriously....can someone name them?....because NO ONE stands out....not a one.....scrubs(all of em)
yep, oh wait you forgot Dominate Danny Shelton
pro-football-reference as reliable as Pro Football Focus
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I have high hopes for Nassib. I see a very fast, athletic guy who can be built to a fine edge by a really good strength & conditioning coach. Might take a year or two, but the base building block is there. But for him and Ogbah both, we need a 4-3, not a 3-4.
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I have high hopes for Nassib. I see a very fast, athletic guy who can be built to a fine edge by a really good strength & conditioning coach. Might take a year or two, but the base building block is there. But for him and Ogbah both, we need a 4-3, not a 3-4.
I have high hopes for Nassib. I see a very fast, athletic guy who can be built to a fine edge by a really good strength & conditioning coach. Might take a year or two, but the base building block is there. But for him and Ogbah both, we need a 4-3, not a 3-4.
That's what I see, a guy with a high motor and a nose for the football.
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I like Nassib.....picked him in the mock and am glad we got him, "if" we decide to go 4-3(like AG mentioned).....a real likeable fella he is(Nassib).....love his enthusiasm and the way he gets all fired up, etc.....but, he needs a LOT of work to be a complete player. I see a lot of deficiencies, which I think he will work out.....Ive mentioned he had 2 easy sacks(which he did), BUT, the GOOD news is that he closed the door, when given the opportunity.....Mingo and Krugs would have missed the tackle or over ran the point of attack or simply not close fast enough to seal the deal....so, to Nassibs credit, when the door opened, he burst through it.....
Seems the Browns LOVE 4-3 DE's who they will then ask to play 3-4 LB positions.....Mingo, Kruger, Orchard, Armonty and Ogbah are all traditional DE's being wedged into LB roles that diminish their skills and hurt our team.....and then, we take DT's and turn them into ends.....blech...
Horton is a key here, because he loves the ole DE to OLB conversion.....did it with Kruger & Mingo and, NOW, is messing with Ogbah......no likey....let Ogbah play ONE FUCKING POSTION and learn it.....stop messing with what makes these guys good....
Hope Horty is reading this and, eventually, learns from his mistakes....so far?.....not so much....
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Cowboys sign Manziel.... lol would that be a story....
I sincerely hope we don't trade Mccown to Dallas now. Then we'd be sooo F#$%ed if RG3 goes down.
I sincerely hope we don't trade Mccown to Dallas now. Then we'd be sooo F#$%ed if RG3 goes down.
Exactly what I was alluding to with the phone call. Besides fulfilling my prophecy, it makes sense. McC's value may never be higher.
Realistically any games he might win for us will make no difference to our payoff chances. Add that he's an old QB in the last year of his contract and it's a no-brainer... IMO.
Seems the Browns LOVE 4-3 DE's who they will then ask to play 3-4 LB positions...
... or 3-4 DE.
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Per Pro-Football-Reference's AV ratings:
- JT (96)
- Joe Haden (40)
- John Greco (21)
- Paul Kruger (21)
- Des Bryant (20)
- RG3 (20)
- Josh Gordon (19)
- Barkevious Mingo (11)
- Joel Bitonio (10)
- Gary Barnidge (9)
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/career-av.htm
HA! Take that!
This list actually gets worse #6 is Robert Griffith the SS not RG3. You can slide John Hughes III into the # 10 slot 1 of 5 Browns that have played 4+ seasons with the team.Per Pro-Football-Reference's AV ratings:
- JT (96)
- Joe Haden (40)
- John Greco (21)
- Paul Kruger (21)
- Des Bryant (20)
- RG3 (20)
- Josh Gordon (19)
- Barkevious Mingo (11)
- Joel Bitonio (10)
- Gary Barnidge (9)
HA! Take that!
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Jamie Meder had some decent plays during preseason, and Terrelle Pryor has some potential. I'd add them to my "top 10 Browns players" list, not a very impressive list but hey, maybe it's all part of the new regime's grand strategy to save all their winning plays and strategies for the regular season
I'd also put RG3 on there, he's been under tons of pressure from the leaky O-line and still managed to stay in the pocket and make some throws, plus it looks like he finally learned how to slide. I'd add Isaiah Crowell for now, can't think of any other standout players based on this preseason. This is just going by the 3 preseason games, not based on any type of regular-season NFL production.I'm really hoping Cameron Irving and Danny Shelton step it up in their respective positions, both lines are weak. Defense has looked shitty all 3 games. Time will tell, there are a bunch of rookies with potential to save this team from going 0-16.
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Wow, scary on that list only recent player JT cracks the top 25, oh look where Kosar and other QBs fit in.
And look carefully shows where you go to build a championship contending team.
1 Clay Matthews 1978 1993 232 ROLB 124
2 Jim Brown 1957 1965 118 FB 122
3 Dick Schafrath 1959 1971 176 LT 115
4 Gene Hickerson 1958 1973 202 RG 111
5 Leroy Kelly 1964 1973 136 RB 102
6 Joe Thomas 2007 2015 144 LT 96
7 Doug Dieken 1971 1984 203 LT 92
8 Brian Sipe 1974 1983 125 QB 88
9 Gary Collins 1962 1971 127 FL 87
10 Hanford Dixon 1981 1989 131 RCB 80
11 Frank Ryan 1962 1968 84 QB 80
12 Jim Houston 1960 1972 177 LLB 78
13 Michael Perry 1988 1994 109 RDT 78
14 Greg Pruitt 1973 1981 118 RB 78
15 Cody Risien 1979 1989 146 RT 78
16 Clarence Scott 1971 1983 186 LCB 78
17 Ozzie Newsome 1978 1990 198 TE 77
18 Walter Johnson 1965 1976 168 LDT 76
19 Bernie Kosar 1985 1993 108 QB 75
20 Paul Warfield 1964 1977 97 WR 75
21 Frank Minnifield 1984 1992 122 LCB 71
22 Don Cockroft 1968 1980 188 K 69
23 Jerry Sherk 1970 1981 147 RDT 68
24 Thom Darden 1972 1981 128 FS 64
25 Mike Pruitt 1976 1984 124 FB 64
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
The next 25 just FYI.....
26 Robert Jackson 1975 1985 160 RG 63
27 Tom DeLeone 1974 1984 149 C 61
28 Bob Golic 1982 1988 97 NT 60
29 Ernie Green 1962 1968 89 HB 60
Rk Player From To G Pos AV
30 John Morrow 1960 1966 90 C 59
31 John Wooten 1959 1967 122 LG 59
32 Charlie Hall 1971 1980 146 LLB 58
33 Mike Johnson 1986 1993 112 MLB 56
34 Milt Morin 1966 1975 129 TE 56
35 Chip Banks 1982 1986 73 LOLB 55
36 Dan Fike 1985 1992 112 RG 55
37 Bill Glass 1962 1968 94 RDE 55
38 Paul Wiggin 1957 1967 146 LDE 55
39 Mike Baab 1982 1991 114 C 53
40 D'Qwell Jackson 2006 2013 97 RILB 53
41 Reggie Rucker 1975 1981 103 WR 53
42 Kevin Mack 1985 1993 99 FB 52
43 Bernie Parrish 1959 1966 94 LCB 52
44 Earnest Byner 1984 1995 99 RB 51
45 Vince Costello 1957 1966 130 MLB 51
46 Tony Jones 1988 1995 109 LT 50
47 Orpheus Roye 2000 2007 113 LDE 49
48 Paul Farren 1983 1991 132 LT 47
49 Dick Ambrose 1975 1983 116 MLB 46
50 Monte Clark 1963 1969 89 RT 46
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Wow, scary on that list only recent player JT cracks the top 25, oh look where Kosar and other QBs fit in.
And look carefully shows where you go to build a championship contending team.
1 Clay Matthews 1978 1993 232 ROLB 124
2 Jim Brown 1957 1965 118 FB 122
3 Dick Schafrath 1959 1971 176 LT 115
4 Gene Hickerson 1958 1973 202 RG 111
5 Leroy Kelly 1964 1973 136 RB 102
6 Joe Thomas 2007 2015 144 LT 96
7 Doug Dieken 1971 1984 203 LT 92
8 Brian Sipe 1974 1983 125 QB 88
9 Gary Collins 1962 1971 127 FL 87
10 Hanford Dixon 1981 1989 131 RCB 80
11 Frank Ryan 1962 1968 84 QB 80
12 Jim Houston 1960 1972 177 LLB 78
13 Michael Perry 1988 1994 109 RDT 78
14 Greg Pruitt 1973 1981 118 RB 78
15 Cody Risien 1979 1989 146 RT 78
16 Clarence Scott 1971 1983 186 LCB 78
17 Ozzie Newsome 1978 1990 198 TE 77
18 Walter Johnson 1965 1976 168 LDT 76
19 Bernie Kosar 1985 1993 108 QB 75
20 Paul Warfield 1964 1977 97 WR 75
21 Frank Minnifield 1984 1992 122 LCB 71
22 Don Cockroft 1968 1980 188 K 69
23 Jerry Sherk 1970 1981 147 RDT 68
24 Thom Darden 1972 1981 128 FS 64
25 Mike Pruitt 1976 1984 124 FB 64
Wow, scary on that list only recent player JT cracks the top 25, oh look where Kosar and other QBs fit in.
And look carefully shows where you go to build a championship contending team.
1 Clay Matthews 1978 1993 232 ROLB 124
2 Jim Brown 1957 1965 118 FB 122
3 Dick Schafrath 1959 1971 176 LT 115
4 Gene Hickerson 1958 1973 202 RG 111
5 Leroy Kelly 1964 1973 136 RB 102
6 Joe Thomas 2007 2015 144 LT 96
7 Doug Dieken 1971 1984 203 LT 92
8 Brian Sipe 1974 1983 125 QB 88
9 Gary Collins 1962 1971 127 FL 87
10 Hanford Dixon 1981 1989 131 RCB 80
11 Frank Ryan 1962 1968 84 QB 80
12 Jim Houston 1960 1972 177 LLB 78
13 Michael Perry 1988 1994 109 RDT 78
14 Greg Pruitt 1973 1981 118 RB 78
15 Cody Risien 1979 1989 146 RT 78
16 Clarence Scott 1971 1983 186 LCB 78
17 Ozzie Newsome 1978 1990 198 TE 77
18 Walter Johnson 1965 1976 168 LDT 76
19 Bernie Kosar 1985 1993 108 QB 75
20 Paul Warfield 1964 1977 97 WR 75
21 Frank Minnifield 1984 1992 122 LCB 71
22 Don Cockroft 1968 1980 188 K 69
23 Jerry Sherk 1970 1981 147 RDT 68
24 Thom Darden 1972 1981 128 FS 64
25 Mike Pruitt 1976 1984 124 FB 64
I take it that these are in order of the PFR Career Average stat?
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He's a simple exercise.....who...."based upon NFL production"....are our best players???
Cause Im trying to make a list of the top 10.....and cant......
Lets look at the 3 obvious "best players".....
1) Joe Thomas....everyones favorite....proven NFL star....but an OL who can only help so much
2) Josh Gordon....and amazing talent....man amongst boys....who has personal demons...
3) Andy Lee.....a punter (nuff said)
Now.....who are the other 7?????......hmmmmmmmm.....
4) Joe Haden?.....oft injured....basically missed last year....1 concussion away from retirement?
5) RGIII ?......Oft injured....didnt even play last year....one tackle away from retirement?
6) Pryor?.....WR with exactly 1 catch in the NFL?.....
7) Bitonio?.....the ONLY other OL who is NFL caliber....?
Barnidge....a slow one year wonder, who barely played for 6-7 seasons, then suddenly is a star?9) Dont even know who 9 is....Traymon?....cause staff has him on the bench....
10)....anyone?......
Seriously....can someone name them?....because NO ONE stands out....not a one.....scrubs(all of em)
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Wow, scary on that list only recent player JT cracks the top 25, oh look where Kosar and other QBs fit in.
And look carefully shows where you go to build a championship contending team.
1 Clay Matthews 1978 1993 232 ROLB 124
2 Jim Brown 1957 1965 118 FB 122
3 Dick Schafrath 1959 1971 176 LT 115
4 Gene Hickerson 1958 1973 202 RG 111
5 Leroy Kelly 1964 1973 136 RB 102
6 Joe Thomas 2007 2015 144 LT 96
7 Doug Dieken 1971 1984 203 LT 92
8 Brian Sipe 1974 1983 125 QB 88
9 Gary Collins 1962 1971 127 FL 87
10 Hanford Dixon 1981 1989 131 RCB 80
11 Frank Ryan 1962 1968 84 QB 80
12 Jim Houston 1960 1972 177 LLB 78
13 Michael Perry 1988 1994 109 RDT 78
14 Greg Pruitt 1973 1981 118 RB 78
15 Cody Risien 1979 1989 146 RT 78
16 Clarence Scott 1971 1983 186 LCB 78
17 Ozzie Newsome 1978 1990 198 TE 77
18 Walter Johnson 1965 1976 168 LDT 76
19 Bernie Kosar 1985 1993 108 QB 75
20 Paul Warfield 1964 1977 97 WR 75
21 Frank Minnifield 1984 1992 122 LCB 71
22 Don Cockroft 1968 1980 188 K 69
23 Jerry Sherk 1970 1981 147 RDT 68
24 Thom Darden 1972 1981 128 FS 64
25 Mike Pruitt 1976 1984 124 FB 64
I take it that these are in order of the PFR Career Average stat?
I take it that these are in order of the PFR Career Average stat?
Apparently yes, maybe a good barometer on the relative value of players.
Cleveland Browns Career Approximate Value Leaders
Seasons: 68 (1946 to 2016)
Record (W-L-T): 508-455-13
Playoff Record: 16-20 <------- THIS ONE ALWAYS GOT ME! LESS THAN .500?
Super Bowls Won: 0 (0 Appearances)
Championships Won*: 8
All-time Passing Leader: Brian Sipe 1,944/3,439, 23,713 yds, 154 TD
All-time Rushing Leader: Jim Brown 2,359 att, 12,312 yds, 106 TD
All-time Receiving Leader: Ozzie Newsome 662 rec, 7,980 yds, 47 TD
All-time Scoring Leader: Lou Groza 1,608 points
All-time AV Leader: Clay Matthews 124 AV
Winningest Coach: Paul Brown 158-48-8
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