Andy Lee Traded to Panthers
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LOL. Logic lessons for free, ladies.Zombo said:
No, he sucked.
Z
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Is a punter not laying himself out in a meaningless preseason game that big a deal? During the season sure. But now? And if you all dont think field position is that big of a deal for this team just wait till we're punting deep in our own side of tje field 10 times a game and our punter cant get it past midfield. Oh just wait till our feared defense takes the field every time with the opposing offense already in long field goal range.
You think these past seasons have been miserable but i tell you what u guys are in for a rude one. Im being dead serious that at least agsinst the lower tier teams good punts have kept points off the board. Against tje good offenses no it doesnt matter much they're gonna run all over us. But the mediocre offenses that have problems going 80 yds even agsinst bad defenses, you watch what happens when they only need 20-30 yds to be in field goal range.
Unless we replace lee with a guy who's in that league, holy fuck this season.....holy fuck
Thats where I'm at. But I do also see the pussy logic ?Is a punter not laying himself out in a meaningless preseason game that big a deal? During the season sure. But now? And if you all dont think field position is that big of a deal for this team just wait till we're punting deep in our own side of tje field 10 times a game and our punter cant get it past midfield. Oh just wait till our feared defense takes the field every time with the opposing offense already in long field goal range.
You think these past seasons have been miserable but i tell you what u guys are in for a rude one. Im being dead serious that at least agsinst the lower tier teams good punts have kept points off the board. Against tje good offenses no it doesnt matter much they're gonna run all over us. But the mediocre offenses that have problems going 80 yds even agsinst bad defenses, you watch what happens when they only need 20-30 yds to be in field goal range.
Unless we replace lee with a guy who's in that league, holy fuck this season.....holy fuck
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Thats where I'm at. But I do also see the pussy logic ?Is a punter not laying himself out in a meaningless preseason game that big a deal? During the season sure. But now? And if you all dont think field position is that big of a deal for this team just wait till we're punting deep in our own side of tje field 10 times a game and our punter cant get it past midfield. Oh just wait till our feared defense takes the field every time with the opposing offense already in long field goal range.
You think these past seasons have been miserable but i tell you what u guys are in for a rude one. Im being dead serious that at least agsinst the lower tier teams good punts have kept points off the board. Against tje good offenses no it doesnt matter much they're gonna run all over us. But the mediocre offenses that have problems going 80 yds even agsinst bad defenses, you watch what happens when they only need 20-30 yds to be in field goal range.
Unless we replace lee with a guy who's in that league, holy fuck this season.....holy fuck
Thats where I'm at. But I do also see the pussy logic ?
Hey if he has a history of fagging tackles during the season, got it....but does he? I was not aware of any problems with him. In the end we let a very good punter go that at least helps mitigate the field position game. I think we can all agree that field goals are now a source of anxiety again but yet so many people said 'its just a kicker" when we let dawson go. Its not a bad thing to have competent special teams. They can help make painful seasons slightly less painful. And im telling you this young defense is gonna get dispirited quick if they have to start the series on their side of the field every drive.
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I like and dislike the move. I assume this was the result of the half assing it on the punt return the other night. I like that we are saying you have to play hard in practice etc to carry over to the game sets bad example if we accept that type of play especially from a veteran, but Lee was good punter and would help the defense out with his kicking. If Hue turns this thing around no one will see this in a negative light. If he can't it will just be piled on the large pile of crap.
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http://nfltraderumors.co/trade-browns-trade-veteran-p-andy-lee-panthers/
Brilliant move. He decided not to put effort in trying to tackle the return man in Tampa Bay. Team played like crap as a whole. Hue's sending a message. If you don't want to put in 100%, you're gone. Don't care if you are a veteran, one of the best at your position. You're gone. Best part, is it's just a punter, so not like it's gonna impact the team all that much.
The culture change is real.
Edit: I can't believe the Browns got a fourth round pick and a punter for Andy Lee and a seventh round pick. Holy crap lol.
http://nfltraderumors.co/trade-browns-trade-veteran-p-andy-lee-panthers/
Brilliant move. He decided not to put effort in trying to tackle the return man in Tampa Bay. Team played like crap as a whole. Hue's sending a message. If you don't want to put in 100%, you're gone. Don't care if you are a veteran, one of the best at your position. You're gone. Best part, is it's just a punter, so not like it's gonna impact the team all that much.
The culture change is real.
Edit: I can't believe the Browns got a fourth round pick and a punter for Andy Lee and a seventh round pick. Holy crap lol.
I am not sure his effort was an issue....it is getting a 4th and 7th for a punter. A good one.
Andy Lee is probably happy going from what may be one of the worst teams in the league to one of the best.
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C'mon people!
We got a 4th for a player who was going to retire or walk at the end of his contract. And wasn't vastly better than who we got in return..
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C'mon people!
We got a 4th for a player who was going to retire or walk at the end of his contract. And wasn't vastly better than who we got in return..
C'mon people!
We got a 4th for a player who was going to retire or walk at the end of his contract. And wasn't vastly better than who we got in return..
Who did we get in return? I thought it was just draft picks.
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C'mon people!
We got a 4th for a player who was going to retire or walk at the end of his contract. And wasn't vastly better than who we got in return..
Who did we get in return? I thought it was just draft picks.
Who did we get in return? I thought it was just draft picks.
We got a punter (Redfern) and a 2018 fourth rounder and they got our 7th round pick and Lee.
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Lee was the best punter we've had in a long time but just another "sell the farm" move which I've remarked here a bunch has been the plan for day one. I don't buy for a second it was because of a lazy tackle effort in a game. It's about getting an above average value for a guy who basically had one more year left to punt on an awful football team.
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I wasn't happy with Lee not even making an attempt at a tackle on the punt return for a TD and was glad to see Hue let him have it on the sidelines but I never thought they would let him go over it. Cleve makes an excellent point on field position and the difference a great punter can make. Did we just cut off our nose to spite our face here? Shaking my head on this one.
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Lee was the best punter we've had in a long time but just another "sell the farm" move which I've remarked here a bunch has been the plan for day one. I don't buy for a second it was because of a lazy tackle effort in a game. It's about getting an above average value for a guy who basically had one more year left to punt on an awful football team.
Lee was the best punter we've had in a long time but just another "sell the farm" move which I've remarked here a bunch has been the plan for day one. I don't buy for a second it was because of a lazy tackle effort in a game. It's about getting an above average value for a guy who basically had one more year left to punt on an awful football team.
So they got a return on an investment that wouldn't pay off unless they acted now? Sounds like a terrible move.......oh wait.
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Brilliant.
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On the punt return in question, I think Lee had the same attitude as the defense...just let them score!
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Zombo said:
I love it. We are getting rid of all the pussies.
Z
--Hue is the man!
I love it also. I never liked the idea of trading for him when we had a good punter who could also kick field goals. (Spencer Lanning as I recall)
But one thing I DID learn...Andy Lee is a wicked good punter.
I can just hear Hue informing the team of the trade; "We will not tolerate anything less than your best effort. I don't care WHO you think you are."
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http://nfltraderumors.co/trade-browns-trade-veteran-p-andy-lee-panthers/
Brilliant move. He decided not to put effort in trying to tackle the return man in Tampa Bay. Team played like crap as a whole. Hue's sending a message. If you don't want to put in 100%, you're gone. Don't care if you are a veteran, one of the best at your position. You're gone. Best part, is it's just a punter, so not like it's gonna impact the team all that much.
The culture change is real.
Edit: I can't believe the Browns got a fourth round pick and a punter for Andy Lee and a seventh round pick. Holy crap lol.
I am not sure his effort was an issue....it is getting a 4th and 7th for a punter. A good one.
Andy Lee is probably happy going from what may be one of the worst teams in the league to one of the best.
Andy Lee is probably happy going from what may be one of the worst teams in the league to one of the best.
Lee's home & wife is in Charlotte,NC.."MaMa am home"..
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Andy Lee is probably happy going from what may be one of the worst teams in the league to one of the best.
Lee's home & wife is in Charlotte,NC.."MaMa am home"..
Lee's home & wife is in Charlotte,NC.."MaMa am home"..
I think it may have been more of a favor to Lee than a punishment. He is sent, as you say to where his family lives....and to a team that was just in the Super Bowl.
How is that a punishment for Lee?
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The ONLY message the Browns are sending is that they have no intention or interest in trying to win....none....
LAST WEEK....When asked if the Browns were throwing in the season by making so many "odd" moves, Sashi was insistent that the Browns want to win now and everything they do is to win now....
Biggest sack of shit lie Ive ever heard.....they have cut or released about 8 STARTERS and replaced them with exactly 1....
Andy Lee was our best bet to get field position....sad but true.....
And, while I HATED Mingo and Krugers game....we have no linebackers to replace them....
Pathetic pathetic pathetic...
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I think it may have been more of a favor to Lee than a punishment. He is sent, as you say to where his family lives....and to a team that was just in the Super Bowl.
How is that a punishment for Lee?
Because it's not. This literally had nothing to do with the tackling thing, you guys need to stop acting the sheriff came to town. They got a good value pick for a punter who is 34 years old. That's it-
The ONLY message the Browns are sending is that they have no intention or interest in trying to win....none....
LAST WEEK....When asked if the Browns were throwing in the season by making so many "odd" moves, Sashi was insistent that the Browns want to win now and everything they do is to win now....
Biggest sack of shit lie Ive ever heard.....they have cut or released about 8 STARTERS and replaced them with exactly 1....
Andy Lee was our best bet to get field position....sad but true.....
And, while I HATED Mingo and Krugers game....we have no linebackers to replace them....
Pathetic pathetic pathetic...
It's frustrating, but this is what a TRUE rebuild looks like. I saw the Panthers do this exact same thing in 2010-2011 before/after drafting Cam Newton. A bunch of head scratching moves but was the reason they got players like Luke, all those dope defensive linemen, and the MVP of the NFL last year.
Honestly, it stings to say but this team was gonna blow whether guys like Lee were on the team anyway. So would you rather win 4-5 games with Lee or 2-3 without him and others? I get it but this FO has made no bones about their plans from day one. This stuff only continues to show it.
Lee goes to his home in Charlotte,NC..MaMa's Boy always knows how to get home Z 
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