Trump to meet with Mexican president today, before immigration speech
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Does the GOP need to reach out more to minority voters yes but if that involves embracing hate groups like black lives matter and cater to that group like the dems did at the DNC convention then no thanks...that is a bridge too far.
Does the GOP need to reach out more to minority voters yes but if that involves embracing hate groups like black lives matter and cater to that group like the they did at the DNC convention then no thanks...that is a bridge too far.
Give Trump credit for trying at least.
Of course the headlines that run about it are like: "Trump is shamelessly pandering to minorities", "Trump thinks minorities are stupid", or "What can Trump do for minority communites? Nothing"
But the idea that inner city minority communitites have been voting Democrat for 50 years and they're worse off than they ever were is probably the best line of attack Trump can take.
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Saved for November. I can't for the life of me see why you guys think this will be a lock for Hillary. You've already ruled out so many possibilities, including a strong debate performance by Trump. You're assuming that the size of the silent Trump voters will be negligible (see Brexit as to why it won't be). You're assuming that the polls and trends from previous years will hold true for this year.
I said it before (and validated it in this thread) but strong debates on either side just don't matter. People either Hate Trump, Hate Hilldawg, or hate both. There's no inbetween like there often is in other elections, and someone "winning" a debate I seriously doubt will have any impact.
I'm not too sure Brexit and this are the same thing either. Great Britain has a 87% white population, whereas the U.S. is around 63%. You are STRONGLY underestimating (and so has the GOP for over a decade now) what the minority vote means in this country. I know this isn't the best way to do it, but let's assume that even 40% of the white population will vote Trump and 20 some odd % Hillary. What do you honestly think the minority vote will look like, especially in the Hispanic demographic? Black and Hispanic voters my guess will be over 95% for Hillary. That's the type of thing that swings the elections and the reason Obama was two-term president and Hillary will win easily this November.
If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.
I said it before (and validated it in this thread) but strong debates on either side just don't matter. People either Hate Trump, Hate Hilldawg, or hate both. There's no inbetween like there often is in other elections, and someone "winning" a debate I seriously doubt will have any impact.
I'm not too sure Brexit and this are the same thing either. Great Britain has a 87% white population, whereas the U.S. is around 63%. You are STRONGLY underestimating (and so has the GOP for over a decade now) what the minority vote means in this country. I know this isn't the best way to do it, but let's assume that even 40% of the white population will vote Trump and 20 some odd % Hillary. What do you honestly think the minority vote will look like, especially in the Hispanic demographic? Black and Hispanic voters my guess will be over 95% for Hillary. That's the type of thing that swings the elections and the reason Obama was two-term president and Hillary will win easily this November.
If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.
You're a little late if you think that the GOP is the party for old, rich white people - those folks are the never Trumpers. Trump has hijacked the party and taken all of their favored candidates out of contention. It's not the old, rich white people who are going to give Trump the election; it's the pissed off, poor white people. If he increases the voter turnout in that demographic as much as I think he will, he really will only need marginal gains among minorities, women, and the college educated to get the win.
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I said it before (and validated it in this thread) but strong debates on either side just don't matter. People either Hate Trump, Hate Hilldawg, or hate both. There's no inbetween like there often is in other elections, and someone "winning" a debate I seriously doubt will have any impact.
I'm not too sure Brexit and this are the same thing either. Great Britain has a 87% white population, whereas the U.S. is around 63%. You are STRONGLY underestimating (and so has the GOP for over a decade now) what the minority vote means in this country. I know this isn't the best way to do it, but let's assume that even 40% of the white population will vote Trump and 20 some odd % Hillary. What do you honestly think the minority vote will look like, especially in the Hispanic demographic? Black and Hispanic voters my guess will be over 95% for Hillary. That's the type of thing that swings the elections and the reason Obama was two-term president and Hillary will win easily this November.
If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.
You're a little late if you think that the GOP is the party for old, rich white people - those folks are the never Trumpers. Trump has hijacked the party and taken all of their favored candidates out of contention. It's not the old, rich white people who are going to give Trump the election; it's the pissed off, poor white people. If he increases the voter turnout in that demographic as much as I think he will, he really will only need marginal gains among minorities, women, and the college educated to get the win.
You're a little late if you think that the GOP is the party for old, rich white people - those folks are the never Trumpers. Trump has hijacked the party and taken all of their favored candidates out of contention. It's not the old, rich white people who are going to give Trump the election; it's the pissed off, poor white people. If he increases the voter turnout in that demographic as much as I think he will, he really will only need marginal gains among minorities, women, and the college educated to get the win.
One of the latest polls had Trump polling at just over 20% of African Americans nationwide..
That would be significantly more than Romney or McCain got
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And Ipsos puts him ahead in Wisconsin, and neck and neck in Michigan. Wisconsin has been blue since the 80s.
The landslide is coming
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Where do you live? I'm a big craft beer guy-I'll go a 12 pack of South Florida's finest against a 12 pack of the best local brews in your area.
I thank you in advance for those my friend.
Saved for November. I can't for the life of me see why you guys think this will be a lock for Hillary. You've already ruled out so many possibilities, including a strong debate performance by Trump. You're assuming that the size of the silent Trump voters will be negligible (see Brexit as to why it won't be). You're assuming that the polls and trends from previous years will hold true for this year.
Saved for November. I can't for the life of me see why you guys think this will be a lock for Hillary. You've already ruled out so many possibilities, including a strong debate performance by Trump. You're assuming that the size of the silent Trump voters will be negligible (see Brexit as to why it won't be). You're assuming that the polls and trends from previous years will hold true for this year.
Ditto on the "saved" part... but not sure it's necessary. Plenty of evidence all over for "I told you so" time... either way.
As for the rest... no, not a lock. Have to get odds a good bit higher than 3:1 for anything to be a lock... at least in my "book".
Debate impact? Always possible one candidate or another will implode spectacularly, but the far more likely outcome will be that each side will see there candidate as having won at least 2 of the 3. The only rising certainty I see is that they will be one-on-one as Johnson's run into double digit support seems to have stalled and reversed.
Assumptions about "silent" voters seem to be all be coming from the right. The rest of us are simply skeptical and see it as a rationalization of the current polls.
"Brexit" was tantamount to an immigrant ban by a country with a limited immigrant experience. Its applicability to the US is tenuous at best.
Poll trends... I will only say that there is a reason moves become trends. Before we would likely resolve any disagreement over their applicability to this atypical election, the election will resolve it.
If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.
Yet Trump is having issues retaining the young, college educated, white vote... a demographic that Romney won easily. In fact:
Trump May Become The First Republican In 60 Years To Lose White College Graduates"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Saved for November. I can't for the life of me see why you guys think this will be a lock for Hillary. You've already ruled out so many possibilities, including a strong debate performance by Trump. You're assuming that the size of the silent Trump voters will be negligible (see Brexit as to why it won't be). You're assuming that the polls and trends from previous years will hold true for this year.
Ditto on the "saved" part... but not sure it's necessary. Plenty of evidence all over for "I told you so" time... either way.
As for the rest... no, not a lock. Have to get odds a good bit higher than 3:1 for anything to be a lock... at least in my "book".
Debate impact? Always possible one candidate or another will implode spectacularly, but the far more likely outcome will be that each side will see there candidate as having won at least 2 of the 3. The only rising certainty I see is that they will be one-on-one as Johnson's run into double digit support seems to have stalled and reversed.
Assumptions about "silent" voters seem to be all be coming from the right. The rest of us are simply skeptical and see it as a rationalization of the current polls.
"Brexit" was tantamount to an immigrant ban by a country with a limited immigrant experience. Its applicability to the US is tenuous at best.
Poll trends... I will only say that there is a reason moves become trends. Before we would likely resolve any disagreement over their applicability to this atypical election, the election will resolve it.
If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.
Yet Trump is having issues retaining the young, college educated, white vote... a demographic that Romney won easily. In fact:
Trump May Become The First Republican In 60 Years To Lose White College GraduatesAssumptions about "silent" voters seem to be all be coming from the right. The rest of us are simply skeptical and see it as a rationalization of the current polls.
Yet Trump is having issues retaining the young, college educated, white vote... a demographic that Romney won easily. In fact:
I'm a Trump supporter, but I'm pretty sure most people here would consider me to be far from right wing. Like I said, he won't need to win college educated if he increases turnout among poor whites. In previous elections, only 25% of impoverished people voted. There are 20 million impoverished whites. I expect Trump to tap into that demographic much like Obama did for blacks.
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Does the GOP need to reach out more to minority voters yes but if that involves embracing hate groups like black lives matter and cater to that group like the dems did at the DNC convention then no thanks...that is a bridge too far.
Does the GOP need to reach out more to minority voters yes but if that involves embracing hate groups like black lives matter and cater to that group like the dems did at the DNC convention then no thanks...that is a bridge too far.
That the GOP sees BLM as a "hate group" is the reason they cannot reach out.
One of the latest polls had Trump polling at just over 20% of African Americans nationwide..
Found one at 20% in Florida, but none nationwide.
And Ipsos puts him ahead in Wisconsin, and neck and neck in Michigan. Wisconsin has been blue since the 80s.
The landslide is coming
Wisconsin odds are 3:1 HRC... Michigan's are 4:1.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
BLM actually is a hate group.
WSS
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Does the GOP need to reach out more to minority voters yes but if that involves embracing hate groups like black lives matter and cater to that group like the dems did at the DNC convention then no thanks...that is a bridge too far.
That the GOP sees BLM as a "hate group" is the reason they cannot reach out.
One of the latest polls had Trump polling at just over 20% of African Americans nationwide..
Found one at 20% in Florida, but none nationwide.
And Ipsos puts him ahead in Wisconsin, and neck and neck in Michigan. Wisconsin has been blue since the 80s.
The landslide is coming
Wisconsin odds are 3:1 HRC... Michigan's are 4:1.
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She's going down, like a nervous wreck.
Reuters, IBT showing the Trump tie (+1)
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Assumptions about "silent" voters seem to be all be coming from the right. The rest of us are simply skeptical and see it as a rationalization of the current polls.
Yet Trump is having issues retaining the young, college educated, white vote... a demographic that Romney won easily. In fact:
I'm a Trump supporter, but I'm pretty sure most people here would consider me to be far from right wing. Like I said, he won't need to win college educated if he increases turnout among poor whites. In previous elections, only 25% of impoverished people voted. There are 20 million impoverished whites. I expect Trump to tap into that demographic much like Obama did for blacks.
I'm a Trump supporter, but I'm pretty sure most people here would consider me to be far from right wing. Like I said, he won't need to win college educated if he increases turnout among poor whites. In previous elections, only 25% of impoverished people voted. There are 20 million impoverished whites. I expect Trump to tap into that demographic much like Obama did for blacks.
Here is why that demographic is so important.
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If the Trump campaign is counting on a demographic group notorious for not voting it would seem having a ground game and getting those voters out to vote would be critical but Trump so far has shown no desire to have a strong ground game for election day.
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Tour...Black Lives Matter chants:" what do we want? dead cops...when do we want them? now!"
"Pigs in a blanket...fry em like bacon"
So again I say if the GOP has to cater to a hate group like this that is a bridge too far...the dems can suck up to them..I want nothing to do with them.
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If you want to believe that those chants are representative of the BLM movement as a whole, then therein lies the end of any GOP minority outreach.
If you want to believe that those chants are representative of the BLM movement as a whole, then therein lies the end of any GOP minority outreach.
And white supremacy does not represent the entire KKK.
WSS
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I said it before (and validated it in this thread) but strong debates on either side just don't matter. People either Hate Trump, Hate Hilldawg, or hate both. There's no inbetween like there often is in other elections, and someone "winning" a debate I seriously doubt will have any impact.
I'm not too sure Brexit and this are the same thing either. Great Britain has a 87% white population, whereas the U.S. is around 63%. You are STRONGLY underestimating (and so has the GOP for over a decade now) what the minority vote means in this country. I know this isn't the best way to do it, but let's assume that even 40% of the white population will vote Trump and 20 some odd % Hillary. What do you honestly think the minority vote will look like, especially in the Hispanic demographic? Black and Hispanic voters my guess will be over 95% for Hillary. That's the type of thing that swings the elections and the reason Obama was two-term president and Hillary will win easily this November.
If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.
You're a little late if you think that the GOP is the party for old, rich white people - those folks are the never Trumpers. Trump has hijacked the party and taken all of their favored candidates out of contention. It's not the old, rich white people who are going to give Trump the election; it's the pissed off, poor white people. If he increases the voter turnout in that demographic as much as I think he will, he really will only need marginal gains among minorities, women, and the college educated to get the win.
You're a little late if you think that the GOP is the party for old, rich white people - those folks are the never Trumpers. Trump has hijacked the party and taken all of their favored candidates out of contention. It's not the old, rich white people who are going to give Trump the election; it's the pissed off, poor white people. If he increases the voter turnout in that demographic as much as I think he will, he really will only need marginal gains among minorities, women, and the college educated to get the win.
And I'd still argue that demographic is less than the minority vote will be. That graph you show is in Ohio, but what about Florida? What about Colorado? What about VA?
There's no way to outright say one person is right or wrong here, but I believe you are seriously underestimating the minority vote compared to even that poor white vote that might win Ohio or NC.
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And as we all know 'minorities' are a monolith not capable of making up their own minds. Democrats one and all, forever.
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well, now that so many of them are illegals who speak little english maybe....
easy to manipulate them to vote for higgardly.
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I would seriously bet you a crisp $20 bill that won't happen in any major respected poll outside of the LA Times. I do actually give kudos to ol' Trump for doing this but (asking seriously here) do you really think it's going to change anyone's mind about the dude? I'll even give you the ones I always look at (and everyone else does too): http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
The simple reason Trump is going to lose is the same reason Obama won. Trump surged in the primaries because the minority vote wasn't voting in them. I guarantee just like Obama this population will be in droves and they won't be voting for Trump. I literally don't care anymore, I hate both of these clowns almost equally so I'm not playing favorites. But Trump isn't going to win.
ObamaTrump won in20122016 because the biggest selling pointMitt RomneyCrooked Hillary had is that he wasn'tObamaTrump. No one actually likedRomneyCrooked Hillary enough to want to vote for him, andObamaTrump had a rabid fan base voting for him because he wasblackan asshole who doesn't care who he offends.ObamaTrump won in20122016 because the biggest selling pointMitt RomneyCrooked Hillary had is that he wasn'tObamaTrump. No one actually likedRomneyCrooked Hillary enough to want to vote for him, andObamaTrump had a rabid fan base voting for him because he wasblackan asshole who doesn't care who he offends.Bumping this comment of mine along with this video to show even more parallels between establishment shills Hillary and Mitt.
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