Dumpster diving
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The Browns will no longer keep building the Browns' house on weak and shifting sands.
They are starting with a solid foundation for once and for all.
They have drafted differently, and have built the team differently.
guys who LOVE THE GAME, and have the work ethic, lockerroom presense, character
and toughness, football IQ.
If you don't fit, don't let the door hit. They drafted players that DO fit, so they are keeping em.
Exciting stuff !
The Browns will no longer keep building the Browns' house on weak and shifting sands.
They are starting with a solid foundation for once and for all.
They have drafted differently, and have built the team differently.
guys who LOVE THE GAME, and have the work ethic, lockerroom presense, character
and toughness, football IQ.
If you don't fit, don't let the door hit. They drafted players that DO fit, so they are keeping em.
Exciting stuff !
Exactly.
If one play defined this team this preseason it was our 14th of 14 draft picks stuffing a goal line stand in the second half of the last preseason game to make the team.
And you didn't have to be one of their draft picks to make the team, look at guys like Dominique Alexander, Cam Johnson and Trey Howard who played their way on to the team with hard work and determination.
This was a test. Soft as Shit MIngo ... Gone. Afraid To Make a Tackle Lee ... Gone. Too Slow To Get To the QB Anymore Kruger ... Gone. Whiny Entitled Bitch Gilbert ... Gone.
Young guys willing to put it all on the line to have an NFL career ... here.
That's who we are growing with. Cut down the dead wood and build, build, build.
Start over with only the right guys who fit the mold and work hard. It's as simple as that.
Those that aren't good enough ... we gotta whole 'nother draft next year ... 2 first rounders ... 2 second rounders ... a third rounder ... three fouth rounders ... three fifth rounders.
There's a 11 guys coming in next year that want to take your job ... better not rest on your laurels now that you've made the team .... get out there and work your ass off for a shot at a second contract.
Zombo
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The Browns will no longer keep building the Browns' house on weak and shifting sands.
They are starting with a solid foundation for once and for all.
They have drafted differently, and have built the team differently.
guys who LOVE THE GAME, and have the work ethic, lockerroom presense, character
and toughness, football IQ.
If you don't fit, don't let the door hit. They drafted players that DO fit, so they are keeping em.
Exciting stuff !
Exactly.
If one play defined this team this preseason it was our 14th of 14 draft picks stuffing a goal line stand in the second half of the last preseason game to make the team.
And you didn't have to be one of their draft picks to make the team, look at guys like Dominique Alexander, Cam Johnson and Trey Howard who played their way on to the team with hard work and determination.
This was a test. Soft as Shit MIngo ... Gone. Afraid To Make a Tackle Lee ... Gone. Too Slow To Get To the QB Anymore Kruger ... Gone. Whiny Entitled Bitch Gilbert ... Gone.
Young guys willing to put it all on the line to have an NFL career ... here.
That's who we are growing with. Cut down the dead wood and build, build, build.
Start over with only the right guys who fit the mold and work hard. It's as simple as that.
Those that aren't good enough ... we gotta whole 'nother draft next year ... 2 first rounders ... 2 second rounders ... a third rounder ... three fouth rounders ... three fifth rounders.
There's a 11 guys coming in next year that want to take your job ... better not rest on your laurels now that you've made the team .... get out there and work your ass off for a shot at a second contract.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Exactly.
If one play defined this team this preseason it was our 14th of 14 draft picks stuffing a goal line stand in the second half of the last preseason game to make the team.
And you didn't have to be one of their draft picks to make the team, look at guys like Dominique Alexander, Cam Johnson and Trey Howard who played their way on to the team with hard work and determination.
This was a test. Soft as Shit MIngo ... Gone. Afraid To Make a Tackle Lee ... Gone. Too Slow To Get To the QB Anymore Kruger ... Gone. Whiny Entitled Bitch Gilbert ... Gone.
Young guys willing to put it all on the line to have an NFL career ... here.
That's who we are growing with. Cut down the dead wood and build, build, build.
Start over with only the right guys who fit the mold and work hard. It's as simple as that.
Those that aren't good enough ... we gotta whole 'nother draft next year ... 2 first rounders ... 2 second rounders ... a third rounder ... three fouth rounders ... three fifth rounders.
There's a 11 guys coming in next year that want to take your job ... better not rest on your laurels now that you've made the team .... get out there and work your ass off for a shot at a second contract.
Zombo
It's refreshing to read guys that get the refreshing changes adding draft volume while removing bad investments and entitled complacency in here.
Guinness on Flugel + Joe Thomas jersey on Ghoolie = Welcome to Nashville
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hey you blamed pettine. i'll blame hue. you blamed farmer and i'll blame sushi and depoopa.
who's right in the end when it all turns to shit anyway?
that's why hiring these 'project' guys is insane. you have enuff money to build truck stops up and down and through the midwest but 'let's' be cautious and go with some kids and a dream.
fuck that roll open up the bank roll for a proven GM and a proven HC and be done with it.
"let's wait and see!" "it's exciting!" man, what are you 25 years old? when you hit my age after watching this shit show for the last 4 decades last thing i wanna hear is "wait and see!"
been there. done that.
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Three things...
- This is rebuild #1 for this FO.
- This rebuild is different than any that preceded it.
- No one is seriously predicting playoffs for this team... and that's different, too.
Now are they doing it right? Is "different" going to be better? Fuck if I know... but I will be watching for signs. And in the absence of their being illuminated by "W's", I think I will have to look very hard.
As for the Dark Side? I doubt it will get crowded. I don't think expectations will be high enough to drive folks that direction... not this year.
Three things...
- This is rebuild #1 for this FO. YES!
- This rebuild is different than any that preceded it. YES!
- No one is seriously predicting playoffs for this team... and that's different, too. Yyyy ... UH OH. The Great Zomboni releases his reknowned predictions this week, and he has never NOT predicted my Brownies in the playoffs. (And he was right in 2002!!) So why change now ... Tradition is fun.
Zombo
Zombo said:
3. No one is seriously predicting playoffs for this team... and that's different, too. Yyyy ... UH OH. The Great Zomboni releases his reknowned predictions this week, and he has never NOT predicted my Brownies in the playoffs. (And he was right in 2002!!) So why change now ... Tradition is fun.
Yes, it is... thus my use of "seriously"...
May TGZ live forever!
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hey you blamed pettine. i'll blame hue. you blamed farmer and i'll blame sushi and depoopa.
who's right in the end when it all turns to shit anyway?
that's why hiring these 'project' guys is insane. you have enuff money to build truck stops up and down and through the midwest but 'let's' be cautious and go with some kids and a dream.
fuck that roll open up the bank roll for a proven GM and a proven HC and be done with it.
"let's wait and see!" "it's exciting!" man, what are you 25 years old? when you hit my age after watching this shit show for the last 4 decades last thing i wanna hear is "wait and see!"
been there. done that.
hey you blamed pettine. i'll blame hue. you blamed farmer and i'll blame sushi and depoopa.
who's right in the end when it all turns to shit anyway?
that's why hiring these 'project' guys is insane. you have enuff money to build truck stops up and down and through the midwest but 'let's' be cautious and go with some kids and a dream.
fuck that roll open up the bank roll for a proven GM and a proven HC and be done with it.
"let's wait and see!" "it's exciting!" man, what are you 25 years old? when you hit my age after watching this shit show for the last 4 decades last thing i wanna hear is "wait and see!"
been there. done that.
I didn't blame anyone for us improving to 7-9 in 2014. No reason to during temporary progress. And, my final verdict on Pettine in January was it wasn't all his fault. I wrote a gigantic post explaining why a bigger pictured conclusion was necessary as well as crediting Mud for part of the about face.
So how many regular season games have we got clobbered to justify your blaming of Hue prior to our first regular season game? You might want to get your underwear off before you power shoot...
You know I enjoy the Hell out of you Mik but do you ever read why I said what I said before jumping all over it? Remember when I told you Roger Goodell would win the power struggle with Tom Brady? Did I fess up when I was wrong? And now that I was actually right, have you fessed up? I know you know what I'm talking about here because you had me LMAO 1 hour after I guaranteed Roger Goodfella wasn't going to lose a power struggle with any player.
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when you hit my age after watching this shit show for the last 4 decades last thing i wanna hear is "wait and see!" Mik
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only four decades? Pouty young-timer. I was an avid Browns fan since I was too young to remember.I went to a Browns game before I was born, and I am retired now. Get rid of the tic, Mik! Get out of the box, Tox !This is a profound different direction for the Browns - it's what a lot of folks have thought was needed for a long time.The past no longer defines the present. -
Released names that caught my eye... off updated "wire": http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691151/article/nfl-roster-cuts-tracker-teams-trimming-to-53-players
TBH, not even sure why on some, but some memory somewhere (hopefully good) was stirred. Not going to vet them further than whether their position matches an area of strength for the releasing team because by the time I did, it'll all be over. I've bolded the ones I think pass this test.
AZ : CB Harlan Miller
BLT: C Matt Skura
BUF: LB Kroy Biermann, CB Mario Butler, RB Dan Herron, LB Manny Lawson, OT Chris Martin, G Cyril Richardson, LB Max Valles
CAR: G David Yankey
CHI: DE Ego Ferguson
CIN: OT Aaron Epps
DNV: RB Ronnie Hillman
DET: DT Caraun Reid
HOU: OG Karim Barton, WR Cecil Shorts III
IND:
JAX: LB Jordan Tripp
KC : OL Reid Fragel
LA : DE Ian Seau
MIA: G Jamil Douglas
MN : G Willie Beavers
NE : RB Tyler Gaffney, OL Chris Barker
NO : C Jack Allen, T Khalif Barnes
NYG: OL Ryan Seymour, DT Louis Nix, CB Leon McFadden, CB Michael Hunter
NYJ: TE Jace Amaro, CB Dee Milliner, RB Antone Smith, FB Tommy Bohanon, G Craig Watts, LB Trevor Reilly, LB Taiwan Jones
OAK: LB John Lotulelei, DE Greg Townsend Jr.
PHI: S Ed Reynolds - intrigues me as a hybrid LS/S player
PTG: LB Travis Feeney
SD : OLB Ben Gardner, FB Chris Swain
SEA: G Jahri Evans
TB : LB Luke Rhodes
TN : OL Jeremiah Poutasi, OL Will Poehls, LB Curtis Grant, CB Kalan Reed, LB Justin Staples
WSH: LB Lynden Trail
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'm wih Larry on this.. I'm sick of being asked to be patient after one shit show to the next.. sorry if that doesnt jive with any of you folks here.. but I'm not here to kiss anyones ass just because they believe a would be bean counter and a "Anal-Littiks" guy from baseball is gonna turn it around.. I'm in My early 50's.. I'm getting sick of the same old song and dance year in and year out... I'm not up there with Larry and Mike yet.. but not far behind... I'm sick of being asked to... "wait"
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it....is......not....the.....same......old.............song...........and............dance.
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it....is......not....the.....same......old.............song...........and............dance.
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Released names that caught my eye... off updated "wire": http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691151/article/nfl-roster-cuts-tracker-teams-trimming-to-53-players
TBH, not even sure why on some, but some memory somewhere (hopefully good) was stirred. Not going to vet them further than whether their position matches an area of strength for the releasing team because by the time I did, it'll all be over. I've bolded the ones I think pass this test.
AZ : CB Harlan Miller
BLT: C Matt Skura
BUF: LB Kroy Biermann, CB Mario Butler, RB Dan Herron, LB Manny Lawson, OT Chris Martin, G Cyril Richardson, LB Max Valles
CAR: G David Yankey
CHI: DE Ego Ferguson
CIN: OT Aaron Epps
DNV: RB Ronnie Hillman
DET: DT Caraun Reid
HOU: OG Karim Barton, WR Cecil Shorts III
IND:
JAX: LB Jordan Tripp
KC : OL Reid Fragel
LA : DE Ian Seau
MIA: G Jamil Douglas
MN : G Willie Beavers
NE : RB Tyler Gaffney, OL Chris Barker
NO : C Jack Allen, T Khalif Barnes
NYG: OL Ryan Seymour, DT Louis Nix, CB Leon McFadden, CB Michael Hunter
NYJ: TE Jace Amaro, CB Dee Milliner, RB Antone Smith, FB Tommy Bohanon, G Craig Watts, LB Trevor Reilly, LB Taiwan Jones
OAK: LB John Lotulelei, DE Greg Townsend Jr.
PHI: S Ed Reynolds - intrigues me as a hybrid LS/S player
PTG: LB Travis Feeney
SD : OLB Ben Gardner, FB Chris Swain
SEA: G Jahri Evans
TB : LB Luke Rhodes
TN : OL Jeremiah Poutasi, OL Will Poehls, LB Curtis Grant, CB Kalan Reed, LB Justin Staples
WSH: LB Lynden Trail
Released names that caught my eye... off updated "wire": http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691151/article/nfl-roster-cuts-tracker-teams-trimming-to-53-players
TBH, not even sure why on some, but some memory somewhere (hopefully good) was stirred. Not going to vet them further than whether their position matches an area of strength for the releasing team because by the time I did, it'll all be over. I've bolded the ones I think pass this test.
AZ : CB Harlan Miller
BUF: LB Kroy Biermann, CB Mario Butler, LB Max Valles
CIN: OT Aaron Epps
JAX: LB Jordan Tripp
KC : OL Reid Fragel
LA : DE Ian Seau
NYJ: TE Jace Amaro, CB Dee Milliner,
OAK: LB John Lotulelei, DE Greg Townsend Jr. ***Trade for both***
PHI: S Ed Reynolds - intrigues me as a hybrid LS/S player
PTG: LB Travis Feeney
SEA: G Jahri Evans
TN : OL Jeremiah Poutasi,
Combo of any of them would suit me Tour. Some rooks can fall to PS
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Offensive linemen off the trash heap, even if they are just depth, would be nice.
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it....is......not....the.....same......old.............song...........and............dance.
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it....is......not....the.....same......old.............song...........and............dance.
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PROVE IT !!! Before I jump on The Happy Train.
The season starts in a week. I'll try hard to not upset the sunshine pumpers in the meantime.
Well you can embrace the alternative of moping and being a giant cry baby. You have company around here.
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Well you can embrace the alternative of moping and being a giant cry baby. You have company around here.
I don't mope, & I don't cry. I'm way past that stage. Way too many losses in the last ten years to get upset when the Browns lose. I'm numb to the losses. This is a very young team, with a lot of rookies and an entirely new system. The preseason was a disorganized mess.
When I see signs of progress maybe I might get excited again. As was said above- just because we're trying something off the wall doesn't necessarily mean it's going to work. I mean really- some guys are going to get all warm and fuzzy seeing Ogbah and Nassib play well when we lose by 20? Yeah- I get it's going to take time, and I get we're probably going to lose a lot of games this year- screw moral victories.
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Well you can embrace the alternative of moping and being a giant cry baby. You have company around here.
Problem is that anybody that isnt on the happy delusional train is considered a moper, whiner or cry baby.....IE: If you have any opinion outside of ....'the Browns, Hue & Shashi are GREAT!".....then you are a cry baby...
Sheesh....
It's just as tiring reading all the overt optimism about the same shit every single year and "all the stars" we just drafted and how "this time" it's being done right....... with very little "honest" criticism or negative critiques, even when fully merited....
If we all just get on the happy train and pretend everything is being done perfectly, wouldn't every discussion just be a bunch of "this is great"....yep....I agree....me too....yep....Great it is!.....yessir!....yep....you are so right....yep,,,,,I agree 100%.....^^^this^^^.....
Blech....we need some honesty, just for the discussion, if nothing else....
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Well you can embrace the alternative of moping and being a giant cry baby. You have company around here.
I don't mope, & I don't cry. I'm way past that stage. Way too many losses in the last ten years to get upset when the Browns lose. I'm numb to the losses. This is a very young team, with a lot of rookies and an entirely new system. The preseason was a disorganized mess.
When I see signs of progress maybe I might get excited again. As was said above- just because we're trying something off the wall doesn't necessarily mean it's going to work. I mean really- some guys are going to get all warm and fuzzy seeing Ogbah and Nassib play well when we lose by 20? Yeah- I get it's going to take time, and I get we're probably going to lose a lot of games this year- screw moral victories.
I don't mope, & I don't cry. I'm way past that stage. Way too many losses in the last ten years to get upset when the Browns lose. I'm numb to the losses. This is a very young team, with a lot of rookies and an entirely new system. The preseason was a disorganized mess.
What was disorganized about evaluating who stays and who sprays? Did you disagree with a lot of the cuts or something?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Well you can embrace the alternative of moping and being a giant cry baby. You have company around here.
Problem is that anybody that isnt on the happy delusional train is considered a moper, whiner or cry baby.....IE: If you have any opinion outside of ....'the Browns, Hue & Shashi are GREAT!".....then you are a cry baby...
Sheesh....
It's just as tiring reading all the overt optimism about the same shit every single year and "all the stars" we just drafted and how "this time" it's being done right....... with very little "honest" criticism or negative critiques, even when fully merited....
If we all just get on the happy train and pretend everything is being done perfectly, wouldn't every discussion just be a bunch of "this is great"....yep....I agree....me too....yep....Great it is!.....yessir!....yep....you are so right....yep,,,,,I agree 100%.....^^^this^^^.....
Blech....we need some honesty, just for the discussion, if nothing else....
Problem is that anybody that isnt on the happy delusional train is considered a moper, whiner or cry baby.....IE: If you have any opinion outside of ....'the Browns, Hue & Shashi are GREAT!".....then you are a cry baby...
Sheesh....
It's just as tiring reading all the overt optimism about the same shit every single year and "all the stars" we just drafted and how "this time" it's being done right....... with very little "honest" criticism or negative critiques, even when fully merited....
If we all just get on the happy train and pretend everything is being done perfectly, wouldn't every discussion just be a bunch of "this is great"....yep....I agree....me too....yep....Great it is!.....yessir!....yep....you are so right....yep,,,,,I agree 100%.....^^^this^^^.....
Blech....we need some honesty, just for the discussion, if nothing else....
There is a fine line between having healthy skepticism (anyone here with a brain should) and just bagging on everything done by the new front office as if some previous GM for the Browns had done some stellar job.
I am willing to see how it goes before deciding that every decision made now is the worst thing ever. You don't fall under that umbrella but a bunch of couch GMs here certainly dwell there.
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