***Official Browns @ Eagles Game Day Thread***
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I honestly just don't understand what you guys expected this year. Like it or not, the regime has a plan. That plan included sucking nuts this year, churning the roster with young draft players and seeing who will stick. It's going to be the same thing next year as well to some degree. I'm not going to sound like that broken record guy, but I saw the Panthers do this exact same thing before getting Cam Newton.
The team last year was awful. We purged the awful from the squad and replaced it with young guys. In case you didn't realize it, young guys aren't going to be world beaters week one. For you guys complaining about Coleman, am I the only guy who saw him flag down a poorly thrown ball and make a play in triple coverage? Also, the defense was on the field for almost 40 minutes today. ANY defense who gets thrown out there for that long is going to give up yards.
The biggest thing to take away from this game is we have a lot of young guys who have the potential to get better. RG3 as I noted earlier in this thread looks scared, skittish, w/e you wanna say out there which bodes badly for his future. Today is another example of the fact he just can't get out of his own way too. One game is too soon to shake it all up of course, but idk I think the dude has just hit that wall. I don't even know how to describe it-it just seems like he's playing not to get hurt which you can't do at that position.
Relax people-we knew the Browns were gonna be bottom feeders even if you didn't want to admit it publicly.
I honestly just don't understand what you guys expected this year. Like it or not, the regime has a plan. That plan included sucking nuts this year, churning the roster with young draft players and seeing who will stick. It's going to be the same thing next year as well to some degree. I'm not going to sound like that broken record guy, but I saw the Panthers do this exact same thing before getting Cam Newton.
The team last year was awful. We purged the awful from the squad and replaced it with young guys. In case you didn't realize it, young guys aren't going to be world beaters week one. For you guys complaining about Coleman, am I the only guy who saw him flag down a poorly thrown ball and make a play in triple coverage? Also, the defense was on the field for almost 40 minutes today. ANY defense who gets thrown out there for that long is going to give up yards.
The biggest thing to take away from this game is we have a lot of young guys who have the potential to get better. RG3 as I noted earlier in this thread looks scared, skittish, w/e you wanna say out there which bodes badly for his future. Today is another example of the fact he just can't get out of his own way too. One game is too soon to shake it all up of course, but idk I think the dude has just hit that wall. I don't even know how to describe it-it just seems like he's playing not to get hurt which you can't do at that position.
Relax people-we knew the Browns were gonna be bottom feeders even if you didn't want to admit it publicly.
Here's the problem. We not only purged the awful (Mingo & Gilbert) we let guys like Mack & Schwartz take a hike too. What us realists realized way back that it WAS going to be a pretty suckful year- and there were, and are some notable sunshine pumpers here saying- nope, it's all going to be different. Keep on drinking that Kool-Aid. Like what the hell did they expect?
Oh, those old guys will be done in 5 years? then if you're going to suck don't do it half-ass. Dump Haden and Thomas and go for the 100% rebuild.
I for one didn't buy the corporate BS for a second- that we're trying to compete this year. Like hell you are.
PS I'm with you RG III is most likely a Hue-ge mistake. I wanted Wentz, and game one, he didn't disappoint my expectations.
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jrb: yes we all knew it because of the turnover at almost every position in the franchise FO to ball boy. but we've seen it before. we've heard the magic flute playing from the pipers who want to lead all brown's fans like lemmings into lake erie thinking davy jone's locker is there with the souls of great legendary football players and a pot 'o gold and a mermaid to boot.
huge loyal fan here. just please for once, with all the turnover and change, come out on the first sunday of nfl football and actually look like we belong in the friggin league? is that too much to ask? i can't remember the last time i saw a browns win on opening day and myself and people i don't even know see the game and go "OH SHIT! BROWNS LOOK NASTY! WATCH OUT FOR THE BROWNS!!!"
i don't care what you have to pull out of your ass as a HC or player. just god damn play like you're good EVEN IF YOU'RE FUCKING NOT!!!
you wanna see real football. check out the ne cards game. best qb ever suspended for 4 games. rookie qb (who we coulda drafted last year) steps in against a SB contender on their field and has that team of nobodys leading 10-0. i mean, what are they doing right and the browns doing wrong? simple question. and if you say it takes time i'm gonna throw this lamp at you......
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I honestly just don't understand what you guys expected this year. Like it or not, the regime has a plan. That plan included sucking nuts this year, churning the roster with young draft players and seeing who will stick. It's going to be the same thing next year as well to some degree. I'm not going to sound like that broken record guy, but I saw the Panthers do this exact same thing before getting Cam Newton.
The team last year was awful. We purged the awful from the squad and replaced it with young guys. In case you didn't realize it, young guys aren't going to be world beaters week one. For you guys complaining about Coleman, am I the only guy who saw him flag down a poorly thrown ball and make a play in triple coverage? Also, the defense was on the field for almost 40 minutes today. ANY defense who gets thrown out there for that long is going to give up yards.
The biggest thing to take away from this game is we have a lot of young guys who have the potential to get better. RG3 as I noted earlier in this thread looks scared, skittish, w/e you wanna say out there which bodes badly for his future. Today is another example of the fact he just can't get out of his own way too. One game is too soon to shake it all up of course, but idk I think the dude has just hit that wall. I don't even know how to describe it-it just seems like he's playing not to get hurt which you can't do at that position.
Relax people-we knew the Browns were gonna be bottom feeders even if you didn't want to admit it publicly.
Here's the problem. We not only purged the awful (Mingo & Gilbert) we let guys like Mack & Schwartz take a hike too. What us realists realized way back that it WAS going to be a pretty suckful year- and there were, and are some notable sunshine pumpers here saying- nope, it's all going to be different. Keep on drinking that Kool-Aid. Like what the hell did they expect?
Oh, those old guys will be done in 5 years? then if you're going to suck don't do it half-ass. Dump Haden and Thomas and go for the 100% rebuild.
I for one didn't buy the corporate BS for a second- that we're trying to compete this year. Like hell you are.
PS I'm with you RG III is most likely a Hue-ge mistake. I wanted Wentz, and game one, he didn't disappoint my expectations.
Here's the problem. We not only purged the awful (Mingo & Gilbert) we let guys like Mack & Schwartz take a hike too. What us realists realized way back that it WAS going to be a pretty suckful year- and there were, and are some notable sunshine pumpers here saying- nope, it's all going to be different. Keep on drinking that Kool-Aid. Like what the hell did they expect?
Oh, those old guys will be done in 5 years? then if you're going to suck don't do it half-ass. Dump Haden and Thomas and go for the 100% rebuild.
I for one didn't buy the corporate BS for a second- that we're trying to compete this year. Like hell you are.
PS I'm with you RG III is most likely a Hue-ge mistake. I wanted Wentz, and game one, he didn't disappoint my expectations.
If it were me, I would (drop Haden and Thomas). They've obviously made the calculation that keeping a few (a number you could literally count with one hand) is valuable to the development of the younger guys. You're telling me if we dumped Thomas and Haden you'd stop crying like a woman? Yeah, sure.
If you didn't buy the BS, then what the hell are you mad about?
I love how you guys crow about how we suck so bad (which is true), but are using a game against our defense as validation that Wentz is awesome. Hilarious.
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He passes the eye test for his first ever game.... When's the last time u could say that about a brown's rookie qb?
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I honestly just don't understand what you guys expected this year. Like it or not, the regime has a plan. That plan included sucking nuts this year, churning the roster with young draft players and seeing who will stick. It's going to be the same thing next year as well to some degree. I'm not going to sound like that broken record guy, but I saw the Panthers do this exact same thing before getting Cam Newton.
The team last year was awful. We purged the awful from the squad and replaced it with young guys. In case you didn't realize it, young guys aren't going to be world beaters week one. For you guys complaining about Coleman, am I the only guy who saw him flag down a poorly thrown ball and make a play in triple coverage? Also, the defense was on the field for almost 40 minutes today. ANY defense who gets thrown out there for that long is going to give up yards.
The biggest thing to take away from this game is we have a lot of young guys who have the potential to get better. RG3 as I noted earlier in this thread looks scared, skittish, w/e you wanna say out there which bodes badly for his future. Today is another example of the fact he just can't get out of his own way too. One game is too soon to shake it all up of course, but idk I think the dude has just hit that wall. I don't even know how to describe it-it just seems like he's playing not to get hurt which you can't do at that position.
Relax people-we knew the Browns were gonna be bottom feeders even if you didn't want to admit it publicly.
Here's the problem. We not only purged the awful (Mingo & Gilbert) we let guys like Mack & Schwartz take a hike too. What us realists realized way back that it WAS going to be a pretty suckful year- and there were, and are some notable sunshine pumpers here saying- nope, it's all going to be different. Keep on drinking that Kool-Aid. Like what the hell did they expect?
Oh, those old guys will be done in 5 years? then if you're going to suck don't do it half-ass. Dump Haden and Thomas and go for the 100% rebuild.
I for one didn't buy the corporate BS for a second- that we're trying to compete this year. Like hell you are.
PS I'm with you RG III is most likely a Hue-ge mistake. I wanted Wentz, and game one, he didn't disappoint my expectations.
Here's the problem. We not only purged the awful (Mingo & Gilbert) we let guys like Mack & Schwartz take a hike too. What us realists realized way back that it WAS going to be a pretty suckful year- and there were, and are some notable sunshine pumpers here saying- nope, it's all going to be different. Keep on drinking that Kool-Aid. Like what the hell did they expect?
Oh, those old guys will be done in 5 years? then if you're going to suck don't do it half-ass. Dump Haden and Thomas and go for the 100% rebuild.
I for one didn't buy the corporate BS for a second- that we're trying to compete this year. Like hell you are.
PS I'm with you RG III is most likely a Hue-ge mistake. I wanted Wentz, and game one, he didn't disappoint my expectations.
Mack was leaving no matter what. Dude did not wanna be here and no money would have kept him. Schwartz I agree was a misstep but thats about it.
The suits have to say they are trying to win, cause what else would they say? They are not going to come out and say we plan to blow. It was clear this was the plan since draft night.
To your point, dont be surprised at all if haden and or thomas get traded.
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don't know about the assignments but was there no punter on that play. i kinda thought maybe i lost my down count...thought it may have been 3rd down...guess not. i think even gumball and the analyst where lost for word there for a while...wonder what they were saying to each other during commercial break...errrrrrr let me answer that...they said to each other...same ofd fucking dumbass browns and i hope the network does not have us do another browns game... puhleeeeeease....
Honestly.. STFU. Take a year off. Watch the rewind. Haden made plays.Our OL pass protection did not give up a sack till 3rd Quarter adjustments not matched by us. Than with time & score, both sides of the ball up front were gassed..Some hope for better around here but, you have not 1 post of a real fan..Get off Our Lawn!!
Honestly.. STFU. Take a year off. Watch the rewind. Haden made plays.Our OL pass protection did not give up a sack till 3rd Quarter adjustments not matched by us. Than with time & score, both sides of the ball up front were gassed..Some hope for better around here but, you have not 1 post of a real fan..Get off Our Lawn!!
poor little gumby....still the iq of a vegetable...
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Meanwhile Garrapolo looks GOOD! Really wanted him on the browns.....
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Do you know the players assignments? I Don't. But young might have just got dumb. It can happen. But bet your ass Hue will take the Heat don
don't know about the assignments but was there no punter on that play. i kinda thought maybe i lost my down count...thought it may have been 3rd down...guess not. i think even gumball and the analyst where lost for word there for a while...wonder what they were saying to each other during commercial break...errrrrrr let me answer that...they said to each other...same ofd fucking dumbass browns and i hope the network does not have us do another browns game... puhleeeeeease....
don't know about the assignments but was there no punter on that play. i kinda thought maybe i lost my down count...thought it may have been 3rd down...guess not. i think even gumball and the analyst where lost for word there for a while...wonder what they were saying to each other during commercial break...errrrrrr let me answer that...they said to each other...same ofd fucking dumbass browns and i hope the network does not have us do another browns game... puhleeeeeease....
Honestly.. STFU. Take a year off. Watch the rewind. Haden made plays.Our OL pass protection did not give up a sack till 3rd Quarter adjustments not matched by us. Than with time & score, both sides of the ball up front were gassed..Some hope for better around here but, you have not 1 post of a real fan..Get off Our Lawn!!
poor little gumhead...he thought that fake punt was a great call...heheheheee...fucking moron thinks our oline is good...what a football moron .....
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Here's the problem. We not only purged the awful (Mingo & Gilbert) we let guys like Mack & Schwartz take a hike too. What us realists realized way back that it WAS going to be a pretty suckful year- and there were, and are some notable sunshine pumpers here saying- nope, it's all going to be different. Keep on drinking that Kool-Aid. Like what the hell did they expect?
Oh, those old guys will be done in 5 years? then if you're going to suck don't do it half-ass. Dump Haden and Thomas and go for the 100% rebuild.
I for one didn't buy the corporate BS for a second- that we're trying to compete this year. Like hell you are.
PS I'm with you RG III is most likely a Hue-ge mistake. I wanted Wentz, and game one, he didn't disappoint my expectations.
If it were me, I would (drop Haden and Thomas). They've obviously made the calculation that keeping a few (a number you could literally count with one hand) is valuable to the development of the younger guys. You're telling me if we dumped Thomas and Haden you'd stop crying like a woman? Yeah, sure.
If you didn't buy the BS, then what the hell are you mad about?
I love how you guys crow about how we suck so bad (which is true), but are using a game against our defense as validation that Wentz is awesome. Hilarious.
If it were me, I would (drop Haden and Thomas). They've obviously made the calculation that keeping a few (a number you could literally count with one hand) is valuable to the development of the younger guys. You're telling me if we dumped Thomas and Haden you'd stop crying like a woman? Yeah, sure.
If you didn't buy the BS, then what the hell are you mad about?
I love how you guys crow about how we suck so bad (which is true), but are using a game against our defense as validation that Wentz is awesome. Hilarious.
Glad you agree that the Browns defense sucks. Wentz looked like he was playing against Western Illinois.
Mad? apparently some folks here don't get the difference between MAD and (1-17 in openers since 1999) years worth of cumulative frustration. FWIW, I had a great time at my pal's house (as usual) with good company, good food, and lots of good wine. I (correctly) pegged the game was over, Grover- after Wentz walked the Eagles through our non-defense on the first drive, and then RG and the keystone Kops went three and out the next two times they had the ball. I've said it before in other threads- it's not very good for my health getting MAD about a team so devoid of talent it's a virtual guarantee they're going to suck on Sunday.
You know what I'm crying about? That some of us old timers are going to have to live through another embarrassing season of crap football in the (faint) hope in 3-5 years this team will have turned the corner. Some of us can still remember when the Browns were the powerhouse of the NFL- not the standing joke they've devolved into. Carolina went to the Super Bowl, hit bedrock- and was back to the SB, while we've been sucking swampwater. Hope you can understand that POV.
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Here's the problem. We not only purged the awful (Mingo & Gilbert) we let guys like Mack & Schwartz take a hike too. What us realists realized way back that it WAS going to be a pretty suckful year- and there were, and are some notable sunshine pumpers here saying- nope, it's all going to be different. Keep on drinking that Kool-Aid. Like what the hell did they expect?
Oh, those old guys will be done in 5 years? then if you're going to suck don't do it half-ass. Dump Haden and Thomas and go for the 100% rebuild.
I for one didn't buy the corporate BS for a second- that we're trying to compete this year. Like hell you are.
PS I'm with you RG III is most likely a Hue-ge mistake. I wanted Wentz, and game one, he didn't disappoint my expectations.
Mack was leaving no matter what. Dude did not wanna be here and no money would have kept him. Schwartz I agree was a misstep but thats about it.
The suits have to say they are trying to win, cause what else would they say? They are not going to come out and say we plan to blow. It was clear this was the plan since draft night.
To your point, dont be surprised at all if haden and or thomas get traded.
Mack was leaving no matter what. Dude did not wanna be here and no money would have kept him.
This is truth.
And our defense sucked as the highest paid D in the league....so it sucks cheaper now.
And RG3 is still a stupid guy...for trying to run over a defender. (I understand it was mostly frustration....but stupid is stupid).
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We cannot judge Wentz by one game...especially considering it was against our D which is just trying to get it's feet underneath them.
This was ONE game. It was bad....but we cannot be surprised by that. After all, we've been through enough resets before. We should know what to expect by now, NO?
What we are looking for is improvement as the season wears on.
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Shelton was the 5th highest graded Brown defender per PFF. Kirksey and Davis were 1 and 2..
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
If it were me, I would (drop Haden and Thomas). They've obviously made the calculation that keeping a few (a number you could literally count with one hand) is valuable to the development of the younger guys. You're telling me if we dumped Thomas and Haden you'd stop crying like a woman? Yeah, sure.
If you didn't buy the BS, then what the hell are you mad about?
I love how you guys crow about how we suck so bad (which is true), but are using a game against our defense as validation that Wentz is awesome. Hilarious.
Glad you agree that the Browns defense sucks. Wentz looked like he was playing against Western Illinois.
Mad? apparently some folks here don't get the difference between MAD and (1-17 in openers since 1999) years worth of cumulative frustration. FWIW, I had a great time at my pal's house (as usual) with good company, good food, and lots of good wine. I (correctly) pegged the game was over, Grover- after Wentz walked the Eagles through our non-defense on the first drive, and then RG and the keystone Kops went three and out the next two times they had the ball. I've said it before in other threads- it's not very good for my health getting MAD about a team so devoid of talent it's a virtual guarantee they're going to suck on Sunday.
You know what I'm crying about? That some of us old timers are going to have to live through another embarrassing season of crap football in the (faint) hope in 3-5 years this team will have turned the corner. Some of us can still remember when the Browns were the powerhouse of the NFL- not the standing joke they've devolved into. Carolina went to the Super Bowl, hit bedrock- and was back to the SB, while we've been sucking swampwater. Hope you can understand that POV.
Glad you agree that the Browns defense sucks. Wentz looked like he was playing against Western Illinois.
Mad? apparently some folks here don't get the difference between MAD and (1-17 in openers since 1999) years worth of cumulative frustration. FWIW, I had a great time at my pal's house (as usual) with good company, good food, and lots of good wine. I (correctly) pegged the game was over, Grover- after Wentz walked the Eagles through our non-defense on the first drive, and then RG and the keystone Kops went three and out the next two times they had the ball. I've said it before in other threads- it's not very good for my health getting MAD about a team so devoid of talent it's a virtual guarantee they're going to suck on Sunday.
You know what I'm crying about? That some of us old timers are going to have to live through another embarrassing season of crap football in the (faint) hope in 3-5 years this team will have turned the corner. Some of us can still remember when the Browns were the powerhouse of the NFL- not the standing joke they've devolved into. Carolina went to the Super Bowl, hit bedrock- and was back to the SB, while we've been sucking swampwater. Hope you can understand that POV.
Well, I don't. Because whining about it in every thread does nothing to help, and in fact it only gets us farther from our goal as you fan the flames of frustration in others which, if they smolder enough, lead to premature firings.
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Shelton was the 5th highest graded Brown defender per PFF. Kirksey and Davis were 1 and 2..
Shelton was the 5th highest graded Brown defender per PFF. Kirksey and Davis were 1 and 2..
I'm more interested in watching the opposition at this point. I took off work tomorrow, watching all the throws from Robert right now.
Vintage Jim Schwartz. He might be one of the very best in the league at creating pressure with four man fronts and getting creative with as little blitzing as possible.
He was very ready for a lot of the tells on our formations, personnel groupings and patterns. To the point where defenders early on are just watching RG3's eyes and falling off assignments very early.
I like coach Horton, I respect his designs. Schwartz was the guy I wanted though and it sucks seeing Philly's defense could actually take a step forward in year 1.
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Glad you agree that the Browns defense sucks. Wentz looked like he was playing against Western Illinois.
Mad? apparently some folks here don't get the difference between MAD and (1-17 in openers since 1999) years worth of cumulative frustration. FWIW, I had a great time at my pal's house (as usual) with good company, good food, and lots of good wine. I (correctly) pegged the game was over, Grover- after Wentz walked the Eagles through our non-defense on the first drive, and then RG and the keystone Kops went three and out the next two times they had the ball. I've said it before in other threads- it's not very good for my health getting MAD about a team so devoid of talent it's a virtual guarantee they're going to suck on Sunday.
You know what I'm crying about? That some of us old timers are going to have to live through another embarrassing season of crap football in the (faint) hope in 3-5 years this team will have turned the corner. Some of us can still remember when the Browns were the powerhouse of the NFL- not the standing joke they've devolved into. Carolina went to the Super Bowl, hit bedrock- and was back to the SB, while we've been sucking swampwater. Hope you can understand that POV.
Well, I don't. Because whining about it in every thread does nothing to help, and in fact it only gets us farther from our goal as you fan the flames of frustration in others which, if they smolder enough, lead to premature firings.
Well, I don't. Because whining about it in every thread does nothing to help, and in fact it only gets us farther from our goal as you fan the flames of frustration in others which, if they smolder enough, lead to premature firings.
As far as a "goal" there isn't a damn thing in the world, I can do either positively or negatively to effect that outcome. I haven't been asked for input from the FO. If you want to take my observations as whining- so be it.
FWIW, I don't need to fan any flames. A large percentage of the fanbase is as fed up as I am- or worse. We're talking season ticket holders with decades of seniority. Stan- our Board Owner dropped his because he deemed (probably rightly) it was a waste of money. Only reason I haven't dropped mine is because it would be financially impossible to buy back into my location if the Browns ever start playing well again. So there's that- we can't hardly give away our seats on a ticket exchange because apathy is so rampant among the potentially paying customers. Unless you count the fans of the visiting teams that are willing to take them off our hands- cheap. I haven't (at least overtly) called for anyone to be fired- yet. Questioning FO decisions is part of being a fan. Or do you just not get- how many times we've seen things blown up, only to be let down again? Goes with the territory to get mighty cynical getting fed the same old line- THIS time it's going to be different. If you're expecting me to get on board the happy train to the future, you're going to be disappointed. Until I see something to be happy about. I said it before- I'm no longer going to be singing kumbaya around the campfire when the losses start piling up. If I see bad play- it's going to get pointed out. If I see good individual plays, I'll give credit where it's due. If I see my team getting doubled in time of possession, I'm supposed to just blow it all off and say, well, we're learning? Some of those guys get paid more in a year than I'll make in a lifetime.
I haven't been over there yet- but I would bet you $100 bucks right now there's a few dozen posters on Cleveland.com wanting to run Sashi and DePodesta out of town on a rail for passing on Wentz.
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The general temperature of the fans gets factored into decisions, especially around here. You want to hide behind this "the FO hasn't asked my opinion" crap like that's the only way you can affect their decision making.
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Ups and Downs. Plenty of downs. Let's see:
Rough first quarter. No pressure on the rookie QB, and pass D non existent. Down
Good response and adjustments in the second quarter from the D. Up
A couple of big plays on O in that second quarter. Up.
Still went in at the half down 13-7. Down.
Came out quite strong after the half with a good drive, putting points on the board, then got the stop immediately and got the ball back. We looked like a mediocre football team... Biggest Up.
Cam Erving happened. Down.
Our D played worse and worse afterwards. Down
Our O couldn't get anything going. Down
We were stuck with poor field position all day, with our O going 3 and out, or 5 and out, and our D not doing the same to them. Down
Our run game actually wasn't horrible - 15 rushes from Duke and Crow for 84 yards, (5.6 ypc), and RG3 picked up good yards on the ground. Up
Our passing game was horrible. Two big plays to Pryor and Coleman, combined for 102 yards. Outside of that, RG3 was 10-24, for 88 yards. Biggest down
Carl Nassib and Ogbah showed up, look like they will be contributors. Up
Our DL didn't look much, and we let them get off some big runs, particularly Barner. Down
Our pass D was horrible. Literally abysmal. We will get absolutely shredded, and that's *if* Haden can stay healthy. If not, look out for opposition offenses not even having to take advantage of our leaky run D. Down.
No stupid penalties - 12 men on the field, illegal formation etc. Well, one, Pryor lining up 6 inches too far forward - I'll let him off that if he learns from it. Up
Tackling. Or rather, lack of. A lot of times we were in position to make a tackle (up!) but didn't wrap up. It looks like we have about 4 players who can tackle properly and they're DBs and ILBs. Down
It's going to be a long season, folks. Our pass D is starting off bad, outside of about 20 minutes (second quarter and early third). Our pas O is worse at the moment. Our run game is ok, actually, but that won't last if we can't get something going through the air.
I *hope* that by about game 6 or 7, we start to actually look like a team that has what it takes to play in this league, otherwise we'll see a lot of trading back in next year's draft and picking up a lot more players.
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