***Official Browns @ Eagles Game Day Thread***
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-football-cle-phi-grades-carson-wentz-stars-nfl-debut/
PFF rundown of top performers for each team. In shocking news, Bitonio, Thomas and Greco were among the top O guys, Davis & Kirksey on top on the D - along with an apparently improved Danny Shelton.
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In exchange for stockpiling resources at other positions, the Browns were committed to rolling with a re-tread at quarterback. The Hue Jackson-RG III partnership could still flourish, but the first test proved a failure. Two long completions aside – both more to do with receivers at the catch point than RG III’s location – the Browns struggled to move the football. Even discounting the four dropped passes and a throwaway, Cleveland’s new quarterback was accurate on just 12 of 21 attempts. He failed to notice an Eagles’ linebacker lurking underneath on a crucial red-zone turnover, with the Browns down just a field goal. Jordan Hicks diverted the flight, and Rodney McLeod sealed the takeaway with a diving grab. Cleveland, and RG III, never recovered.
Top offensive grades:
LG Joel Bitonio, 81.1
RG John Greco, 77.0
LT Joe Thomas, 76.3
WR Terrelle Pryor, 75.5
HB Isaiah Crowell, 72.9Veteran lineman run the show
Although not quite at his usual elite level, Joe Thomas still stood out as one of the Browns’ top performers. He loves to get his hands dirty in the run game, earning a 78.8 grade in that facet of play. Thomas did give up a rare sack to Connor Barwin, but emerged from the rest of the game largely unscathed. Additional physicality is provided from the interior by guards John Greco and Joel Bitonio. Each also earned a grade of 78 during their run blocking assignments, generating vertical movement at the line of scrimmage. Together, they could form the backbone of an outstanding.
Top defensive grades:
Chris Kirksey, 83.2
Demario Davis, 78.9
Jordan Poyer, 76.4
Joe Haden, 75.9
Danny Shelton, 72.7Interior should be improved
New pair of inside linebackers Demario Davis and Chris Kirksey made a strong start to their career as a tandem. They were both aggressive attacking the line of scrimmage, nullifying any potential yardage after contact. The pair finished with four stops apiece, limiting the Eagles’ run game considerably. In coverage, they allowed only four catches from six targets for 24 yards. The apparent improvement of Danny Shelton is also encouraging. He was highly disruptive in his 42 snaps, even if he wasn’t always able to finish plays. As well as the new haul of rookies, the development of draftees from previous season will also be key.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-football-cle-phi-grades-carson-wentz-stars-nfl-debut/
PFF rundown of top performers for each team. In shocking news, Bitonio, Thomas and Greco were among the top O guys, Davis & Kirksey on top on the D - along with an apparently improved Danny Shelton.
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In exchange for stockpiling resources at other positions, the Browns were committed to rolling with a re-tread at quarterback. The Hue Jackson-RG III partnership could still flourish, but the first test proved a failure. Two long completions aside – both more to do with receivers at the catch point than RG III’s location – the Browns struggled to move the football. Even discounting the four dropped passes and a throwaway, Cleveland’s new quarterback was accurate on just 12 of 21 attempts. He failed to notice an Eagles’ linebacker lurking underneath on a crucial red-zone turnover, with the Browns down just a field goal. Jordan Hicks diverted the flight, and Rodney McLeod sealed the takeaway with a diving grab. Cleveland, and RG III, never recovered.
Top offensive grades:
LG Joel Bitonio, 81.1
RG John Greco, 77.0
LT Joe Thomas, 76.3
WR Terrelle Pryor, 75.5
HB Isaiah Crowell, 72.9
Veteran lineman run the show
Although not quite at his usual elite level, Joe Thomas still stood out as one of the Browns’ top performers. He loves to get his hands dirty in the run game, earning a 78.8 grade in that facet of play. Thomas did give up a rare sack to Connor Barwin, but emerged from the rest of the game largely unscathed. Additional physicality is provided from the interior by guards John Greco and Joel Bitonio. Each also earned a grade of 78 during their run blocking assignments, generating vertical movement at the line of scrimmage. Together, they could form the backbone of an outstanding.
Top defensive grades:
Chris Kirksey, 83.2
Demario Davis, 78.9
Jordan Poyer, 76.4
Joe Haden, 75.9
Danny Shelton, 72.7
Interior should be improved
New pair of inside linebackers Demario Davis and Chris Kirksey made a strong start to their career as a tandem. They were both aggressive attacking the line of scrimmage, nullifying any potential yardage after contact. The pair finished with four stops apiece, limiting the Eagles’ run game considerably. In coverage, they allowed only four catches from six targets for 24 yards. The apparent improvement of Danny Shelton is also encouraging. He was highly disruptive in his 42 snaps, even if he wasn’t always able to finish plays. As well as the new haul of rookies, the development of draftees from previous season will also be key.
Great read Chris!
We had the score as close as 13-10 in the 3rd quarter before1 bad shotgun snap ignited a 9 point swing. Later in the game when we were deep in our own territory, we HAD to go for it on 4th down. We didn't make it so Philly scored another TD against deflated sails. As these guys get used to working together - I see no reason that can't get better at handling adversity.
The only time I thought our defense was unacceptable was on Philly's first drive of the game. Then we saw more of Nassib, Ogbah and others. Kindred looks like a breath of fresh air putting anyone he touched on the ground. Love that kid! The only tackle I saw him miss was when he blitzed causing the QB to side-step him into one of Kindred's teammates for a sack. Imagine drafting a defensive player or 2 or 3 or 4 that can actually tackle somebody with the football after first identifying such an ability exists on film. Just out of curiosity, which one of our newcomers looked like he couldn't tackle?
I think these were all our brand new starters in the positions they played last week:
WR - Pryor
WR - Coleman
C - Erving
RT - Pasztor
QB - RG3
OLB - Schobert
ILB - Jones
SS - Campbell
Punter - Colquitt
Kicker - Murray
Newbies that rotated in with starters:
DE - Nassib
DE - Ogbah
S- Kindred
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-football-cle-phi-grades-carson-wentz-stars-nfl-debut/
PFF rundown of top performers for each team. In shocking news, Bitonio, Thomas and Greco were among the top O guys, Davis & Kirksey on top on the D - along with an apparently improved Danny Shelton.
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In exchange for stockpiling resources at other positions, the Browns were committed to rolling with a re-tread at quarterback. The Hue Jackson-RG III partnership could still flourish, but the first test proved a failure. Two long completions aside – both more to do with receivers at the catch point than RG III’s location – the Browns struggled to move the football. Even discounting the four dropped passes and a throwaway, Cleveland’s new quarterback was accurate on just 12 of 21 attempts. He failed to notice an Eagles’ linebacker lurking underneath on a crucial red-zone turnover, with the Browns down just a field goal. Jordan Hicks diverted the flight, and Rodney McLeod sealed the takeaway with a diving grab. Cleveland, and RG III, never recovered.
Top offensive grades:
LG Joel Bitonio, 81.1
RG John Greco, 77.0
LT Joe Thomas, 76.3
WR Terrelle Pryor, 75.5
HB Isaiah Crowell, 72.9
Veteran lineman run the show
Although not quite at his usual elite level, Joe Thomas still stood out as one of the Browns’ top performers. He loves to get his hands dirty in the run game, earning a 78.8 grade in that facet of play. Thomas did give up a rare sack to Connor Barwin, but emerged from the rest of the game largely unscathed. Additional physicality is provided from the interior by guards John Greco and Joel Bitonio. Each also earned a grade of 78 during their run blocking assignments, generating vertical movement at the line of scrimmage. Together, they could form the backbone of an outstanding.
Top defensive grades:
Chris Kirksey, 83.2
Demario Davis, 78.9
Jordan Poyer, 76.4
Joe Haden, 75.9
Danny Shelton, 72.7
Interior should be improved
New pair of inside linebackers Demario Davis and Chris Kirksey made a strong start to their career as a tandem. They were both aggressive attacking the line of scrimmage, nullifying any potential yardage after contact. The pair finished with four stops apiece, limiting the Eagles’ run game considerably. In coverage, they allowed only four catches from six targets for 24 yards. The apparent improvement of Danny Shelton is also encouraging. He was highly disruptive in his 42 snaps, even if he wasn’t always able to finish plays. As well as the new haul of rookies, the development of draftees from previous season will also be key.
Great read Chris!
We had the score as close as 13-10 in the 3rd quarter before1 bad shotgun snap ignited a 9 point swing. Later in the game when we were deep in our own territory, we HAD to go for it on 4th down. We didn't make it so Philly scored another TD against deflated sails. As these guys get used to working together - I see no reason that can't get better at handling adversity.
The only time I thought our defense was unacceptable was on Philly's first drive of the game. Then we saw more of Nassib, Ogbah and others. Kindred looks like a breath of fresh air putting anyone he touched on the ground. Love that kid! The only tackle I saw him miss was when he blitzed causing the QB to side-step him into one of Kindred's teammates for a sack. Imagine drafting a defensive player or 2 or 3 or 4 that can actually tackle somebody with the football after first identifying such an ability exists on film. Just out of curiosity, which one of our newcomers looked like he couldn't tackle?
I think these were all our brand new starters in the positions they played last week:
WR - Pryor
WR - Coleman
C - Erving
RT - Pasztor
QB - RG3
OLB - Schobert
ILB - Jones
SS - Campbell
Punter - Colquitt
Kicker - Murray
Newbies that rotated in with starters:
DE - Nassib
DE - Ogbah
S- Kindred
I think these were all our brand new starters in the positions they played last week:
WR - Pryor
WR - Coleman
C - Erving
RT - Pasztor
QB - RG3
OLB - Schobert
ILB - Jones
SS - Campbell
Punter - Colquitt
Kicker - Murray
Newbies that rotated in with starters:
DE - Nassib
DE - Ogbah
S- Kindred
If you want to say mistakes killed us- well OK. Not getting a first down in the first quarter- not very impressive. The advanced breakdown says Griffin stunk- but I didn't need that to realize it. Ha Erving thought the guy in the Browns jersey in the first row of the end zone was the guy he was snapping to.
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Zombo said:
While I was responding to your post, it wasn't directed solely at you. Or even mostly at you. I am ranting at negativity in general. There was a time for that. The train HAS left the station. I'm sure you guys will be jumping on at Sixandten Crossing or Sevenandnine Station, I've decided to enjoy it from the beginning and you're all just going to have deal with me loving what we've got.
Quit worrying about 3/4 or 4/3 ... Nassib is football player who gets after the ball ... we will tailor the defense to the talent ... that's how we roll now.
Train .. rolling out of Stop #2 ... Calfox in the kitchen car baking cookies, War in the caboose working on a time machine ... the shitter got dumped in western PA on our way back from Philly.
Zombo
I'll give you a live report Sunday night on what the team looked like.
The bar car on this train is extremely well stocked. I may stay on this train all offseason.
If the football is lousy- the booze is good.
Nurse Ratched wants to know if you want some cheese with that whine Cheswick.
https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=tightropetb&p=Cheswick+wants+his+cigarettes+youtube+video#id=2&vid=97ae47183f643562cebcc62bfc30959c&action=view
Aw- all hurtsies when I'm just stating facts? The past may have nothing to do with the current incarnation of Browns coaching staff and Front Office- but it has everything to do with my attitude towards it. I've seen way too many reboots to get excited and emotionally involved- until I see definite progress. Just because a couple of the new guys looked good week one doesn't cut it. In case you didn't notice- we got our asses kicked last Sunday by a a completely green rookie quarterback.
I'll give you a live report Sunday night on what the team looked like.
If the football is lousy- the booze is good.
all hurtsies when I'm just stating facts?
Just answer the question - do you want some cheese with that whine?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
And what is scary to me is that there is no assurance that we will not repeat the draft of 2016, trading down and missing out on top QB's because someone thought a 5-6 rounder was really a 1st rounder that others were missing that we could "steal" in the 3rd.
Nope... no assurances whatsoever... but this is a different FO, so there are also no assurances that they will repeat the errors past FOs.
This is the type of "glass half-full/half-empty" issue I think Z may have been getting at... Personally, I see half a glass of water.
Nope... no assurances whatsoever... but this is a different FO, so there are also no assurances that they will repeat the errors past FOs.
This is the type of "glass half-full/half-empty" issue I think Z may have been getting at... Personally, I see half a glass of water.
Different FO? Last I looked 2016 was this FO. I was talking about trading out of Wentz, passing over Prescott and taking a 5-6 rounder like Kessler in round 3. That's on the current FO and I fear they will repeat that same process by trading out of likely an extremely good draft spot yet again.
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And what is scary to me is that there is no assurance that we will not repeat the draft of 2016, trading down and missing out on top QB's because someone thought a 5-6 rounder was really a 1st rounder that others were missing that we could "steal" in the 3rd.
As it stands I see no sure fire franchise QB. Yet..
As it stands I see no sure fire franchise QB. Yet..
Are you tired of the draft, develop & Groom Bla,Bla bullshit of a Rookie QB? Jump on the Jimmy G train to Cleveland
...Might be his last 3 times to shine before he pulls a Tyrod Taylor. Cause Garopolo will not be at next season camp for 800k..Go Jacoby Bissette & Yes Brady you can play forever..Damn Bellycheck, we have got some picks just for you..Pay the Man!!..Somebody will 🥷Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Here's the problem - booze is a depressant. So, you whiners get all pouty and bitchy about the past,
and you can't give the new present a chance.
They finally have a consistent, LEGIT criteria for drafting and signing players.
The smartness of the new direction of the Browns is obvious to anybody who will give
them a chance.
Come on, Mr. Hoorta - Shelton is a NT. Did you see him drive his guy into the backfield and trip up the play vs the Eaglets?
He has been doing it in training camp, and the first game. You act like it's midseason. Yo- he isn't a DE or a LB, dammit.
You whining dervishes will be eating crow when the Browns start winning. You want friesies with that?
Crow Busters - Crow Recipeswww.crowbusters.com/recipes.htmlCook in boiling salt water for 10 minutes. Alternately put corn (3 pieces), green peppers (3 pieces) and cherry tomatoes (3) along with 4 pieces of crow meat on each skewer. Use 1 mushroom to top each skewer. Brush with melted butter and place on preheated grill for about 4 minutes. -
I think these were all our brand new starters in the positions they played last week:
WR - Pryor
WR - Coleman
C - Erving
RT - Pasztor
QB - RG3
OLB - Schobert
ILB - Jones
SS - Campbell
Punter - Colquitt
Kicker - Murray
Newbies that rotated in with starters:
DE - Nassib
DE - Ogbah
S- Kindred
If you want to say mistakes killed us- well OK. Not getting a first down in the first quarter- not very impressive. The advanced breakdown says Griffin stunk- but I didn't need that to realize it. Ha Erving thought the guy in the Browns jersey in the first row of the end zone was the guy he was snapping to.
If you want to say mistakes killed us- well OK. Not getting a first down in the first quarter- not very impressive. The advanced breakdown says Griffin stunk- but I didn't need that to realize it. Ha Erving thought the guy in the Browns jersey in the first row of the end zone was the guy he was snapping to.
I typed what I wanted to say which is why you carefully refrained from cutting and pasting it. Like I said, we had the score as close as 13-10 in the 3rd quarter before1 bad shotgun snap ignited a 9 point swing. Most people could tell what team was coming off 7 wins and which one was coming off 3 wins in order to understand we wouldn't be ready to overcome that kind of adversity just yet.
You predicted we'd be lucky if we won 1 game so why are you more surprised and disappointed than I am about losing our 12th consecutive opener especially if this was the RG3 you foretold?
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Here's the problem - booze is a depressant. So, you whiners get all pouty and bitchy about the past,
and you can't give the new present a chance.
They finally have a consistent, LEGIT criteria for drafting and signing players.
The smartness of the new direction of the Browns is obvious to anybody who will give
them a chance.
Come on, Mr. Hoorta - Shelton is a NT. Did you see him drive his guy into the backfield and trip up the play vs the Eaglets?
He has been doing it in training camp, and the first game. You act like it's midseason. Yo- he isn't a DE or a LB, dammit.
You whining dervishes will be eating crow when the Browns start winning. You want friesies with that?
Crow Busters - Crow Recipeswww.crowbusters.com/recipes.htmlCook in boiling salt water for 10 minutes. Alternately put corn (3 pieces), green peppers (3 pieces) and cherry tomatoes (3) along with 4 pieces of crow meat on each skewer. Use 1 mushroom to top each skewer. Brush with melted butter and place on preheated grill for about 4 minutes. -
Nope... no assurances whatsoever... but this is a different FO, so there are also no assurances that they will repeat the errors past FOs.
This is the type of "glass half-full/half-empty" issue I think Z may have been getting at... Personally, I see half a glass of water.
Different FO? Last I looked 2016 was this FO. I was talking about trading out of Wentz, passing over Prescott and taking a 5-6 rounder like Kessler in round 3. That's on the current FO and I fear they will repeat that same process by trading out of likely an extremely good draft spot yet again.
Different FO? Last I looked 2016 was this FO. I was talking about trading out of Wentz, passing over Prescott and taking a 5-6 rounder like Kessler in round 3. That's on the current FO and I fear they will repeat that same process by trading out of likely an extremely good draft spot yet again.
Ag, the Sunshine train doesn't want to hear, much less even think about that kind of stuff. We'll give 'em some time though.
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If you still think that's whining, I can't help you. I like to have a lot of wine during games- it helps dull the pain of lousy football.
Looking at your last sentence - you haven't exactly been helping yourself either. My guess is you need to take care of the second thing before you can take care of the first thing.
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Here's the problem - booze is a depressant. So, you whiners get all pouty and bitchy about the past,
and you can't give the new present a chance.
They finally have a consistent, LEGIT criteria for drafting and signing players.
The smartness of the new direction of the Browns is obvious to anybody who will give
them a chance.
Come on, Mr. Hoorta - Shelton is a NT. Did you see him drive his guy into the backfield and trip up the play vs the Eaglets?
He has been doing it in training camp, and the first game. You act like it's midseason. Yo- he isn't a DE or a LB, dammit.
You whining dervishes will be eating crow when the Browns start winning. You want friesies with that?
Crow Busters - Crow Recipeswww.crowbusters.com/recipes.htmlCook in boiling salt water for 10 minutes. Alternately put corn (3 pieces), green peppers (3 pieces) and cherry tomatoes (3) along with 4 pieces of crow meat on each skewer. Use 1 mushroom to top each skewer. Brush with melted butter and place on preheated grill for about 4 minutes.Here's the problem - booze is a depressant. So, you whiners get all pouty and bitchy about the past,
and you can't give the new present a chance. And the past has made me hesitant to embrace the present- until I see some damn progress. 1-17 in openers sure was a blast from the past, no? Back to quarterback #25, we may see #s 26 and 27 before the year is over.
They finally have a consistent, LEGIT criteria for drafting and signing players. and you would know that how?
The smartness of the new direction of the Browns is obvious to anybody who will give
them a chance.
We're giving them a chance- haven't you noticed? I think Ag duly noted things we're not too happy about. 20\20 hindsight is making it look like R- G(lass) III was a Hue-mongous mistake too.
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lol speakin of RGIIIglass... didn't it seem like RG ran into the guy unnecessarily? and the guy he hit
was standing just out of bounds ?
I'd go back and look, but it's just too annoying. He could have slid.....
I'm hoping for a star qb draft pick next year. RG seems to buckle under pressure or something. He just doesn't see
the field quickly. Was hoping he'd have started to...
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here is an interesting fact I saw on the NFL channel.
The Jags are 0-8 when Bortles has thrown for 300 or more yards.
And, note that the titans got their super qb last year, and were in the top
draft spot.
It's a team game, you have to build your overall quality of players and depth, or getting
a bigtime qb doesn't help you do diddley.
and Bradshaw was nearly booed out of Pittsburg, by his own admission, back in the day.
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lol speakin of RGIIIglass... didn't it seem like RG ran into the guy unnecessarily? and the guy he hit
was standing just out of bounds ?
I'd go back and look, but it's just too annoying. He could have slid.....
I'm hoping for a star qb draft pick next year. RG seems to buckle under pressure or something. He just doesn't see
the field quickly. Was hoping he'd have started to...
lol speakin of RGIIIglass... didn't it seem like RG ran into the guy unnecessarily? and the guy he hit
was standing just out of bounds ?
I'd go back and look, but it's just too annoying. He could have slid.....
I'm hoping for a star qb draft pick next year. RG seems to buckle under pressure or something. He just doesn't see
the field quickly. Was hoping he'd have started to...
100% in on taking the top qb next year.
Here's the thing Cal- and this goes for Zombo and Flugs too. Apparently some people are having extreme difficulty understanding my POV. (Mud has the same, but he's keeping a real low profile currently) I've seen way too many blowups in the FO and coaching staff. So we've torn it all again- did Sashi and Depo give you a written guarantee that it's going to be different this time? Sorry- my trust that they know what they're doing is going to have to be earned . No Front Office is perfect, but at this point they're not above criticism. End of discussion. As the Who sung- "Won't get Fooled Again".
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Nope... no assurances whatsoever... but this is a different FO, so there are also no assurances that they will repeat the errors past FOs.
This is the type of "glass half-full/half-empty" issue I think Z may have been getting at... Personally, I see half a glass of water.
Different FO? Last I looked 2016 was this FO. I was talking about trading out of Wentz, passing over Prescott and taking a 5-6 rounder like Kessler in round 3. That's on the current FO and I fear they will repeat that same process by trading out of likely an extremely good draft spot yet again.
Different FO? Last I looked 2016 was this FO. I was talking about trading out of Wentz, passing over Prescott and taking a 5-6 rounder like Kessler in round 3. That's on the current FO and I fear they will repeat that same process by trading out of likely an extremely good draft spot yet again.
If you want to pretend the final verdict is in on the 2016 rookie QB crop, then be my guest. Both have a decent shot at looking very good this week as well. And I say that as a charter member of Dak-Backers and a Wentz skeptic who's just looking at half a glass of water.
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when I saw the expanded, really smart new criteria for the NFL draft...
I knew we were on the right track. When I heard accolades about Hue from around the league,
and where he's been a coach...
that added to my conviction. When I saw the difference, for the first time since '99, in the upbeatness,
the fun, and all in of the practices, including the fast pace and how the players were having fun out there...
it was completely different that the previous years boredom and molasses slow pace. And quiet.
This Browns situation is the right one, finally. Watch and see.
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As it stands I see no sure fire franchise QB. Yet..
Are you tired of the draft, develop & Groom Bla,Bla bullshit of a Rookie QB? Jump on the Jimmy G train to Cleveland
...Might be his last 3 times to shine before he pulls a Tyrod Taylor. Cause Garopolo will not be at next season camp for 800k..Go Jacoby Bissette & Yes Brady you can play forever..Damn Bellycheck, we have got some picks just for you..Pay the Man!!..Somebody will 🥷Are you tired of the draft, develop & Groom Bla,Bla bullshit of a Rookie QB? Jump on the Jimmy G train to Cleveland
...Might be his last 3 times to shine before he pulls a Tyrod Taylor. Cause Garopolo will not be at next season camp for 800k..Go Jacoby Bissette & Yes Brady you can play forever..Damn Bellycheck, we have got some picks just for you..Pay the Man!!..Somebody will 🥷Can someone translate this for me?
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@flugel said:
You just wanted everyone fired like always and you're right back to it. That's nothing like Mud. He just doesn't want to hear it from people that would allow him to bigger picture what's wrong. Now what we're you saying about you not getting fooled again?
You
Like hell. Where did I ever say I wanted everyone in this current incarnation FIRED? Again- you're reading something into that's flat out not there. I damn clearly said- they're going to have to prove they're worthy of trusting what they're doing. That's a country mile away from wanting the whole crew sent packing after they've only coached one game and had one draft. AND I don't have to like everything I've seen them do so far either.
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lol speakin of RGIIIglass... didn't it seem like RG ran into the guy unnecessarily? and the guy he hit
was standing just out of bounds ?
I'd go back and look, but it's just too annoying. He could have slid.....
I'm hoping for a star qb draft pick next year. RG seems to buckle under pressure or something. He just doesn't see
the field quickly. Was hoping he'd have started to...
100% in on taking the top qb next year.
Here's the thing Cal- and this goes for Zombo and Flugs too. Apparently some people are having extreme difficulty understanding my POV. (Mud has the same, but he's keeping a real low profile currently) I've seen way too many blowups in the FO and coaching staff. So we've torn it all again- did Sashi and Depo give you a written guarantee that it's going to be different this time? Sorry- my trust that they know what they're doing is going to have to be earned . No Front Office is perfect, but at this point they're not above criticism. End of discussion. As the Who sung- "Won't get Fooled Again".
Here's the thing Cal- and this goes for Zombo and Flugs too. Apparently some people are having extreme difficulty understanding my POV.
Who's kidding who? Some of those you accuse have been reading you since 1998. You've always wanted to fire the Front Offices and Head Coaches. You wanted everyone fired last year. This year you wanted Jimmy to clean house as early as week 2 of the preseason.
See ya in 2 years.. 
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