***Official Browns @ Dolphins Game Day Thread

browns52

@d-bone said:

Oh, definitely agree on that, no doubt...... Just hope Hue looks back at his kick decision and does some soul searching.

If we had a good kicker he would not have to do any soul searching. can't miss 3 fg's like that. He played the percentage and got burned. if we had a mediocre kicker, we win this game, but this guy fucking stinks. i'm sure he will be gone anyway....

D Bone

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Haha nope.

I was being facetious anyway. I think common sense would also say it's no bueno. We have a kicker who's missed twice and an offense that's been pretty decent, why give them the ball?

Exactly. Opening day I saw Del Rio go for 2 and the win on the road, and Hue could've (kinda/sorta) done the same thing on his opening drive if a 4th and 2 presented itself in the right area.

flyingfooldoug

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Haha nope.

I was being facetious anyway. I think common sense would also say it's no bueno. We have a kicker who's missed twice and an offense that's been pretty decent, why give them the ball?

Because BB did it? I did see some Sipe like passes from the kid. Looked like a wounded duck but ended up where they were supposed to. But to quote Josh Cribbs.... Damn, it seems like we almost always almost win...... And that's the real hurdle.

Frenchie

A win just gives us a lower draft choice.

These last two games have been moral victories for us. Especially today with all the starters out and playing a third string rookie quarterback. There were plenty of mistakes from coaching to execution on the field. Lots of penalties but a lot of youngsters showing potential and fight. Poor field goal production but hey, the kicker was signed on Friday.

What do we know after 3 games? On Offence: Running game is much better. Receivers of Pryor, Coleman, D. Johnson, Barnidge, (Gordon) etc. are dangerous. No QB, some issues on center-to-left Tackle and too many penalties. On Defence: Run Defence is much better with good line play and ILB tackles. No pass rush. We're still weak in the secondary. Special Teams: Mostly, we need to fix field goal percentage.

Opal312

Not I; I see a team with mostly rookies and second year guys who are being coached up! Pryor, Crowell and Johnson all look like the real deal. If we had an offensive line we would have murdered Miami. We still should have creamed them and they know it! Paztor committing 5 costly penalties! There's no excuse for it! Not 5. Having no kicker is a front office gaffe. They had all off season to find a reliable kicker.

Does anyone remember Sean Suisham from the Steelers who got hurt in the Hall of Fame Game 2015. I would give him a call; if he's not ready call someone else. But keep looking until you find a kicker.

Opal312

Look at the bright side; The team played better than anyone expected and should have won. We can find a kicker, we can replace Paztor, and Ray Horton's defense is better than anything Jim O Neal brought.

It's getting better even though Haden, Coleman, Nassib, et al were out. It was better than Mingo and Gilbert for real.

D Bone

@opal312 said:
Not I; I see a team with mostly rookies and second year guys who are being coached up.....

Exactly what I see.

Harry Buffalo

What I saw when I watched the game was an offense that is a QB and some 2 decent o linemen away from having a good offense. I saw a defense, despite its flaws and lack of playmakers, that is able to keep us in games. Everyone played hard. Kessler showed more smarts, guts, and ability than anyone thought he was gonna show. Hue has a team of rookies and street meat going out and playing their guys out and its obvious none of the players have given up yet.

syd

@browns52 said:
you are exactly correct. dolphins stink. they are going nowhere. this game,..just another way this team continues to lose. If it is not a blocked field goal returned for a td, its 3 missed fg's...the ol still has discipline issues as it's had forever, special teams ...yikes ..paztor completely turned the momentum around with his poor play. I guess there were no real kickers out there to be had..Oh well...that's the way it goes, it is what it is...

on a few of pastors holds that a saw if he had not brought down sue , he would have killed kessler

Tim Couch Pulls Out

There's no such thing in moral victories. I'm a fan of foresight and the bigger picture, but 3 wins gets the first pick just the same as 0 wins does.

This should have been a win.

A culture shock is needed more than anything else. Hue is supposed to bring that. Hasn't happened yet - we're still shooting ourselves in the foot left and right.

Browns_Fucking_Rule

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

There's no such thing in moral victories. I'm a fan of foresight and the bigger picture, but 3 wins gets the first pick just the same as 0 wins does.

This should have been a win.

A culture shock is needed more than anything else. Hue is supposed to bring that. Hasn't happened yet - we're still shooting ourselves in the foot left and right.

+1

mjp28

@bbedward said:

I think it was a dumb call but not the reason we lost regardless.

We lost solely because we couldn't make field goals. Can't miss 3 FGs inside the 50

Almost any professional kicker should be able to make a 40-49 yard kick when needed.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/field-goal-percentage-40-to-49?season_id=13

2015 stats 40-49 yards:

1 Ryan Succop Tennessee Titans K 100.0%

1 Caleb Sturgis Miami Dolphins K 100.0%

1 Adam Vinatieri Indianapolis Colts K 100.0%

1 Matt Prater Detroit Lions K 100.0%

1 Nick Novak San Diego Chargers K 100.0%

6 Justin Tucker Baltimore Ravens K 90.9%

7 Blair Walsh Minnesota Vikings K 88.9%

8 Dustin Hopkins New Orleans Saints K 87.5%

8 Stephen Gostkowski New England Patriots K 87.5%

8 Dan Carpenter Buffalo Bills K 87.5%

11 Chandler Catanzaro Arizona Cardinals K 85.7%

11 Dan Bailey Dallas Cowboys K 85.7%

13 Cairo Santos Kansas City Chiefs K 84.6%

14 Steven Hauschka Seattle Seahawks K 80.0%

14 Josh Brown New York Giants K 80.0%

16 Graham Gano Carolina Panthers K 78.9%

17 Chris Boswell New York Giants K 78.6%

18 Robbie Gould Chicago Bears K 77.8%

18 Travis Coons Cleveland Browns K 77.8%

20 Mike Nugent Cincinnati Bengals K 76.9%

21 Mason Crosby Green Bay Packers K 75.0%

21 Phil Dawson San Francisco 49ers K 75.0%

21 Jason Myers Jacksonville Jaguars K 75.0%

24 Brandon McManus Denver Broncos K 72.7%

24 Randy Bullock Houston Texans K 72.7%

Canton Mike

@syd said:

on a few of pastors holds that a saw if he had not brought down sue , he would have killed kessler

Yep. Sometimes a hold beats letting a cheap shot artist injure your QB. My issue is the kicker, especially with Robbie Gould still unemployed.

Mike

tiamat63

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
I'm a fan of foresight and the bigger picture, but 3 wins gets the first pick just the same as 0 wins

Wrongo.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@tiamat63 said:
Wrongo.

Average wins for teams picking 1st 2006-2015: 2.4

tiamat63

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
Average wins for teams picking 1st 2006-2015: 2.4

Cool, less than 3. Sorry, don't want to chance it.

Big picture stuff. I'm proud of the young guys in a loss. I'm not looking for moral victories but longevity and depth in this roster is the only way for sustained success.

Adoug319

We need to sign The kicker Ross Martin. Kid from Solon who went to Walsh Jesuit. #2 kicker in the HS class of 2012. Went to Duke and was great

Was with the Jets, but he got cut as the jets already have a solid kicker

He's on the street now.. Why not give the hometown kid a shot?

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@tiamat63 said:

Cool, less than 3. Sorry, don't want to chance it.

Big picture stuff. I'm proud of the young guys in a loss. I'm not looking for moral victories but longevity and depth in this roster is the only way for sustained success.

"Big picture stuff" doesn't factor in when you have a trigger-happy owner and the HC average lifespan in Cleveland is less than 2 seasons.

Browns1216

disappointing loss, but at least it was a fun game to watch. Can't wait to see more of Kessler, he was surprisingly chill after the horrible start. Get rid of the false starts and delay of game penalties so the Browns don't have to rely on a kicker, we obviously can't find a good one.

Tour2ma

Some thoughts from the game...

I was really proud of this effort. In particular when the D got beaten down in the 3rd Qtr, to open the 4th the offense put together their best drive of the game both reenergizing the D and giving them some needed rest. A couple series later came the strip sack.

Both Crow and Duke ran hard and found holes most of the day.

The revamped line made holes most of the day and looked as good as I hoped they would. Paztor had speed rush issues a few times as expected.

Kessler was late a lot and left a few plays on the field with premature throwaways when flushed. But overall he produced the numbers many here said they'd be happy with.

Pryor looked like the Buckeye QB of days passed... easy gate producing deceptive speed. Throwing was erratic, but the 2-pt conversion was as sweet of a throw as you'd want. But he is officially a WR.

The D contained the run most of the day. The coverage was good... most of the day.

Summary: Today we played an underachieving team and overachieved in the process controlled both the clock and the game... for most of the game.

I was proud of our effort.