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  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    There's no such thing in moral victories. I'm a fan of foresight and the bigger picture, but 3 wins gets the first pick just the same as 0 wins does.

    This should have been a win.

    A culture shock is needed more than anything else. Hue is supposed to bring that. Hasn't happened yet - we're still shooting ourselves in the foot left and right.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    There's no such thing in moral victories. I'm a fan of foresight and the bigger picture, but 3 wins gets the first pick just the same as 0 wins does.

    This should have been a win.

    A culture shock is needed more than anything else. Hue is supposed to bring that. Hasn't happened yet - we're still shooting ourselves in the foot left and right.

    +1

  • bbedwardB bbedward

    @d-bone said:

    True we got the stop, but the end result of kicking saw them having 2 offensive possessions and us only 1....... analytics says no bueno.

    I think it was a dumb call but not the reason we lost regardless.

    We lost solely because we couldn't make field goals. Can't miss 3 FGs inside the 50

    @bbedward said:

    I think it was a dumb call but not the reason we lost regardless.

    We lost solely because we couldn't make field goals. Can't miss 3 FGs inside the 50

    Almost any professional kicker should be able to make a 40-49 yard kick when needed.

    https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/field-goal-percentage-40-to-49?season_id=13

    2015 stats 40-49 yards:

    1 Ryan Succop Tennessee Titans K 100.0%

    1 Caleb Sturgis Miami Dolphins K 100.0%

    1 Adam Vinatieri Indianapolis Colts K 100.0%

    1 Matt Prater Detroit Lions K 100.0%

    1 Nick Novak San Diego Chargers K 100.0%

    6 Justin Tucker Baltimore Ravens K 90.9%

    7 Blair Walsh Minnesota Vikings K 88.9%

    8 Dustin Hopkins New Orleans Saints K 87.5%

    8 Stephen Gostkowski New England Patriots K 87.5%

    8 Dan Carpenter Buffalo Bills K 87.5%

    11 Chandler Catanzaro Arizona Cardinals K 85.7%

    11 Dan Bailey Dallas Cowboys K 85.7%

    13 Cairo Santos Kansas City Chiefs K 84.6%

    14 Steven Hauschka Seattle Seahawks K 80.0%

    14 Josh Brown New York Giants K 80.0%

    16 Graham Gano Carolina Panthers K 78.9%

    17 Chris Boswell New York Giants K 78.6%

    18 Robbie Gould Chicago Bears K 77.8%

    18 Travis Coons Cleveland Browns K 77.8%

    20 Mike Nugent Cincinnati Bengals K 76.9%

    21 Mason Crosby Green Bay Packers K 75.0%

    21 Phil Dawson San Francisco 49ers K 75.0%

    21 Jason Myers Jacksonville Jaguars K 75.0%

    24 Brandon McManus Denver Broncos K 72.7%

    24 Randy Bullock Houston Texans K 72.7%

    GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
  • sydS syd

    @browns52 said:

    you are exactly correct. dolphins stink. they are going nowhere. this game,..just another way this team continues to lose. If it is not a blocked field goal returned for a td, its 3 missed fg's...the ol still has discipline issues as it's had forever, special teams ...yikes ..paztor completely turned the momentum around with his poor play. I guess there were no real kickers out there to be had..Oh well...that's the way it goes, it is what it is...

    on a few of pastors holds that a saw if he had not brought down sue , he would have killed kessler

    @syd said:

    on a few of pastors holds that a saw if he had not brought down sue , he would have killed kessler

    Yep. Sometimes a hold beats letting a cheap shot artist injure your QB. My issue is the kicker, especially with Robbie Gould still unemployed.

    Mike

    IN DORSEY I TRUST
  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    There's no such thing in moral victories. I'm a fan of foresight and the bigger picture, but 3 wins gets the first pick just the same as 0 wins does.

    This should have been a win.

    A culture shock is needed more than anything else. Hue is supposed to bring that. Hasn't happened yet - we're still shooting ourselves in the foot left and right.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I'm a fan of foresight and the bigger picture, but 3 wins gets the first pick just the same as 0 wins

    Wrongo.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I'm a fan of foresight and the bigger picture, but 3 wins gets the first pick just the same as 0 wins

    Wrongo.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Wrongo.

    Average wins for teams picking 1st 2006-2015: 2.4

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @tiamat63 said:

    Wrongo.

    Average wins for teams picking 1st 2006-2015: 2.4

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Average wins for teams picking 1st 2006-2015: 2.4

    Cool, less than 3. Sorry, don't want to chance it.

    Big picture stuff. I'm proud of the young guys in a loss. I'm not looking for moral victories but longevity and depth in this roster is the only way for sustained success.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT 1 Reply

  • We need to sign The kicker Ross Martin. Kid from Solon who went to Walsh Jesuit. #2 kicker in the HS class of 2012. Went to Duke and was great

    Was with the Jets, but he got cut as the jets already have a solid kicker

    He's on the street now.. Why not give the hometown kid a shot?

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Average wins for teams picking 1st 2006-2015: 2.4

    Cool, less than 3. Sorry, don't want to chance it.

    Big picture stuff. I'm proud of the young guys in a loss. I'm not looking for moral victories but longevity and depth in this roster is the only way for sustained success.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Cool, less than 3. Sorry, don't want to chance it.

    Big picture stuff. I'm proud of the young guys in a loss. I'm not looking for moral victories but longevity and depth in this roster is the only way for sustained success.

    "Big picture stuff" doesn't factor in when you have a trigger-happy owner and the HC average lifespan in Cleveland is less than 2 seasons.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride

  • disappointing loss, but at least it was a fun game to watch. Can't wait to see more of Kessler, he was surprisingly chill after the horrible start. Get rid of the false starts and delay of game penalties so the Browns don't have to rely on a kicker, we obviously can't find a good one.

  • Some thoughts from the game...

    I was really proud of this effort. In particular when the D got beaten down in the 3rd Qtr, to open the 4th the offense put together their best drive of the game both reenergizing the D and giving them some needed rest. A couple series later came the strip sack.

    Both Crow and Duke ran hard and found holes most of the day.

    The revamped line made holes most of the day and looked as good as I hoped they would. Paztor had speed rush issues a few times as expected.

    Kessler was late a lot and left a few plays on the field with premature throwaways when flushed. But overall he produced the numbers many here said they'd be happy with.

    Pryor looked like the Buckeye QB of days passed... easy gate producing deceptive speed. Throwing was erratic, but the 2-pt conversion was as sweet of a throw as you'd want. But he is officially a WR.

    The D contained the run most of the day. The coverage was good... most of the day.

    Summary: Today we played an underachieving team and overachieved in the process controlled both the clock and the game... for most of the game.

    I was proud of our effort.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Pryor was awesome...but it was Kessler who made the throw on the 2 point conversion.

  • Mark OM Mark O

    Pryor was awesome...but it was Kessler who made the throw on the 2 point conversion.

    @mark-o said:

    Pryor was awesome...but it was Kessler who made the throw on the 2 point conversion.

    You are correct.... Kessler... even better...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • ...a beautiful lob to Barnige.

    His deep balls appear as long lobs too though.

    I thought he got better as the game went on. Early on, I turned to my wife, "He' throws the most horrible wobbly wounded duck passes", but as the game went on the ball got straighter.

    .....Mrs. wife just told me that Arnold Palmer died. The King. My favorite golfer. ( a lot of people's)........................................................very sad.

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    BrownsKiddB 1 Reply

  • I shall drink some lemonade with iced tea in his honor..

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
    Mark OM Browns149B 2 Replies
  • U Unsympathetic

    I shall drink some lemonade with iced tea in his honor..

    @unsympathetic said:

    I shall drink some lemonade with iced tea in his honor..

    Yep...we all should.

  • U Unsympathetic

    I shall drink some lemonade with iced tea in his honor..

    @unsympathetic said:

    I shall drink some lemonade with iced tea in his honor..

    RIP Arnie
    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
  • OrionO Orion

    ...a beautiful lob to Barnige.

    His deep balls appear as long lobs too though.

    I thought he got better as the game went on. Early on, I turned to my wife, "He' throws the most horrible wobbly wounded duck passes", but as the game went on the ball got straighter.

    .....Mrs. wife just told me that Arnold Palmer died. The King. My favorite golfer. ( a lot of people's)........................................................very sad.

    @orion said:

    ...a beautiful lob to Barnige.

    His deep balls appear as long lobs too though.

    I thought he got better as the game went on. Early on, I turned to my wife, "He' throws the most horrible wobbly wounded duck passes", but as the game went on the ball got straighter.

    .....Mrs. wife just told me that Arnold Palmer died. The King. My favorite golfer. ( a lot of people's)........................................................very sad.

    I'm not impressed with Kessler. His arm appears weak. He had a few wobblers that looked almost like Peyton on a Sunday morning. He held on to the ball a little to long a few times. There was also a chance, on one play, I thought, for him to run and gain a few yards after the LOS, he threw the ball away with very few players around him. Is he afraid of getting hit? He got up a few times and limped off the field at the start of the game. He does not seem like the type of receiver we need with guys like Pryor, Coleman and maybe if Gordon hits the field. If he leave balls floating in the air, it's going to be a tough go.

    But there are a lot of positives, Duke and Crowell, looked good, and got positive yardage all day. Pryor, my god man, they should have just let him kick the game winning field goal, at least he deserved to try it. What a stud, and he put it out there on the field. Barnage, another decent game. And the D seems to be squaring up and making plays. If we just had a Oline that could pass block and a QB.

  • I was at the game literally seeing the guys out of the tunnel. I got a thumbs up from cody and danny shelton and a wave from McCown which was pretty cool.

    I know there is no moral victories, but fellas there was a lot of good from yesterdy too. Defense is really showing promise and making plays. Crow and duke look like an awesome 1-2 in this offense. Pryor is proving my ass for one wrong and balling out there.

    Kessler made some rookie mistakes but made some nice plays too. I am really looking forward to next week when he has had more time to prepare. He put us in a position if the damn kicker doesnt suck nuts we win, that simple.

    I really thought this was going to be a doom and gloom game but I was wrong. There is real devlopment in these players which is encouraging as hell.

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