Draft Talk
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So, two questions: Is he coming out next year....and what round would you pick him in?
well he is a senior so I'm pretty sure he is. and if he ends his career at the 50 td, 5000 yds and keeps his int ratio at around 4 to 1 or 5 to 1 who knows how high he will go. add in a good performance at the senior bowl and a good combine and we could be talking top 5 overall pick. that is a lot of if's and could be projection's though. but hey that's basically what a draft thread in September is anyway. if the season ended today I'd drop a mid rounder 4-5 on him
well he is a senior so I'm pretty sure he is. and if he ends his career at the 50 td, 5000 yds and keeps his int ratio at around 4 to 1 or 5 to 1 who knows how high he will go. add in a good performance at the senior bowl and a good combine and we could be talking top 5 overall pick. that is a lot of if's and could be projection's though. but hey that's basically what a draft thread in September is anyway. if the season ended today I'd drop a mid rounder 4-5 on him
I think that is highly optimistic. Right now he is listed as the 13th overall QB....and either a 7th rounder or UDFA by CBS sports. (but then I think Kessler was rated the same)
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well last year around this time paxton lynch and carson wentz were 7th round or later prospects cardale jones was round 1 guy as was connor cook and i think hackenberg? Goff was a round 2 or 3? actually i'm going to check this out and update this post
**Update
for QBs in round 1 CBS Jared Goff going 4th overall to us, Connor Cook going 6th overall and Cardale Jones going 10th overall
Goff predicted 4th went 1st (+3)
Cook Predicted 6th went 100th overall (+94)
Cardale Predicted 10th went 139th overall (+129)
Paxton Lynch and Carson Wentz Not included in the first round.
So LOTS can change in the coming months take the prospect "rankings" with a grain of salt until the season is over
Kessler was actually ranked as a 2nd or 3rd round prospect early in 2015 because of his stellar 2014 season. if he would have had a repeat of his 2014 year we would have been thrilled to have him at the end of the 3rd instead of an early second
Cody Kessler JR QB 13Games 315 Comp 452 Att 69.7 Acc% 3826 Yards 39 TD 5 INT 167.1 Rating 2014 season. Again Before the 2015 season Kessler was in the early consideration for the heisman that year. he ended up taking a step backwards that year and the rest is history -
Tim just watch the games man
discounting the 75 yard TD play that was the result of the Receiver his other 4 TD throws were absolute strikes all at 20+ yards. He dealt with quite a few drops this game made 2 costly INT and could have made atleast 1 more INT on some miscommunications with his Receivers. One from an errant and stupid throw and one from a great play by the defender. This isn't even a good game from him just his most recent.Tim just watch the games man
discounting the 75 yard TD play that was the result of the Receiver his other 4 TD throws were absolute strikes all at 20+ yards. He dealt with quite a few drops this game made 2 costly INT and could have made atleast 1 more INT on some miscommunications with his Receivers. One from an errant and stupid throw and one from a great play by the defender. This isn't even a good game from him just his most recent.I have watched him play and nothing about Webb screams franchise QB. At the very best he's a poor man's Kyle Boller, who is a poor man's Aaron Rodgers. So Webb is a poor man's poor man's Aaron Rodgers - also known as a system QB and perennial backup QB.
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well last year around this time paxton lynch and carson wentz were 7th round or later prospects cardale jones was round 1 guy as was connor cook and i think hackenberg? Goff was a round 2 or 3? actually i'm going to check this out and update this post
**Update
for QBs in round 1 CBS Jared Goff going 4th overall to us, Connor Cook going 6th overall and Cardale Jones going 10th overall
Goff predicted 4th went 1st (+3)
Cook Predicted 6th went 100th overall (+94)
Cardale Predicted 10th went 139th overall (+129)
Paxton Lynch and Carson Wentz Not included in the first round.
So LOTS can change in the coming months take the prospect "rankings" with a grain of salt until the season is over
Kessler was actually ranked as a 2nd or 3rd round prospect early in 2015 because of his stellar 2014 season. if he would have had a repeat of his 2014 year we would have been thrilled to have him at the end of the 3rd instead of an early second Cody Kessler JR QB 13Games 315 Comp 452 Att 69.7 Acc% 3826 Yards 39 TD 5 INT 167.1 Rating 2014 season. Again Before the 2015 season Kessler was in the early consideration for the heisman that year. he ended up taking a step backwards that year and the rest is historywell last year around this time paxton lynch and carson wentz were 7th round or later prospects cardale jones was round 1 guy as was connor cook and i think hackenberg? Goff was a round 2 or 3? actually i'm going to check this out and update this post
**Update
for QBs in round 1 CBS Jared Goff going 4th overall to us, Connor Cook going 6th overall and Cardale Jones going 10th overall
Goff predicted 4th went 1st (+3)
Cook Predicted 6th went 100th overall (+94)
Cardale Predicted 10th went 139th overall (+129)
Paxton Lynch and Carson Wentz Not included in the first round.
So LOTS can change in the coming months take the prospect "rankings" with a grain of salt until the season is over
Kessler was actually ranked as a 2nd or 3rd round prospect early in 2015 because of his stellar 2014 season. if he would have had a repeat of his 2014 year we would have been thrilled to have him at the end of the 3rd instead of an early second
Fair enough. I suspect that all these rankings will change between now and April.
I do know that we are going to have an interesting game on Saturday when Watson and Clemson face of vs. Jackson and Louisville.
One of the games of the year perhaps.
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I'm having a hard time seeing how this all falls on Kizer? They let Duke score 38 and Michigan State score 36. When your defense is giving up over 30 points, it's a LITTLE tough to win.
Over the last two games, Kizer is still 42-74 with 725 yards, 4 TD's, 2 INT's, and has also netted 3 rushing touchdowns. Sure, it's not up to snuff compared to the gaudy numbers he put up against Texas, but his average statline over those two games is still in the vicinity of 57% completion, 360 yards, 2 TD's, 1 INT and 1 rushing TD.
If anything, its refreshing to see Kizer taking blame for the losses, but he's FAR from being the reason behind the poor performances.
57% is not impressive to me.
Now these are stats: *2015
SR QB 13games 316com. 477attm. 66.2% 3793yds 29td 5int 151.0 rating
Yep-Dak
57% is not impressive to me.
Now these are stats: *2015
SR QB 13games 316com. 477attm. 66.2% 3793yds 29td 5int 151.0 rating
Yep-Dak
57% doesn't have to be impressive to you, nor should it be. It's a statline average from his two worst games, and it's the only one you pulled apart as a detracting point...which means that the rest of the stats he posted in his worst two games were still respectable stats.
You showed me yours, I'll show you mine -
SO 13 games - 210 completions, 334 attempts, 62.9%, 2,880 yards, 21 TD, 10 INT, 150.1 rating......as a sophomore.
I liked Prescott as well, but he's not going to be our QB. It's over.
Kizer is equally talented, plays in a similar spread offensive philosophy and has posted very similar career stats in terms of accuracy, (62.7 vs 62.8), rating (154.6 vs 146), and Y/A (8.0 vs 8.8). Plus he's a larger frame (6'2 vs 6'5), equally as talented athletically, and is a very intelligent and well-spoken man. I really don't see the fuss, other than the patented "take a stand for no reason and blindly stick to it" which is prevalent across this board.
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I'm looking foward to watching that one, as well as Notre dame and osu and Stanford and wsu and cal and Louisville and Oklahoma gotta watch them all to see how they all do
Also is should be noted that Kizer has thrown less passes in his career than Prescott did in his SR year. I like the kid but he's not ready plain and simple. He NEEDS more time and he MAY improve enough this year to warrant a selection but he really looks like he needs more time to develop. Easily the best candidate to return for his SR year, If he does not transfer to somewhere that actually shows promise in helping him develop his skills as a passer. -
well he is a senior so I'm pretty sure he is. and if he ends his career at the 50 td, 5000 yds and keeps his int ratio at around 4 to 1 or 5 to 1 who knows how high he will go. add in a good performance at the senior bowl and a good combine and we could be talking top 5 overall pick. that is a lot of if's and could be projection's though. but hey that's basically what a draft thread in September is anyway. if the season ended today I'd drop a mid rounder 4-5 on him
I think that is highly optimistic. Right now he is listed as the 13th overall QB....and either a 7th rounder or UDFA by CBS sports. (but then I think Kessler was rated the same)
I think that is highly optimistic. Right now he is listed as the 13th overall QB....and either a 7th rounder or UDFA by CBS sports. (but then I think Kessler was rated the same)
Interestingly enough Walterfootball has Webb listed as the 13th overall QB as well but has the chargers taking him in the 2nd round after Watson,Kaaya,Kizer and Kelly so pretty interesting there lol
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I think that is highly optimistic. Right now he is listed as the 13th overall QB....and either a 7th rounder or UDFA by CBS sports. (but then I think Kessler was rated the same)
Interestingly enough Walterfootball has Webb listed as the 13th overall QB as well but has the chargers taking him in the 2nd round after Watson,Kaaya,Kizer and Kelly so pretty interesting there lol
Interestingly enough Walterfootball has Webb listed as the 13th overall QB as well but has the chargers taking him in the 2nd round after Watson,Kaaya,Kizer and Kelly so pretty interesting there lol
I am becoming intrigued with Kelly. While Ole Miss has lost some games, they have been shootouts. They scored like 43 points vs. Alabama, only to lose 48-43. Pretty impressive to put up those kinds of numbers on Bama. Whomped Georgia who I thought had a tough defense. 40 plus points on FSU (but nothing like Louisville)
Plus, he has good genetics, no? Jim Kelly's nephew?
Could he be a guy for the Browns to look at seriously?
Correct me if I am wrong but, also, Lamar Jackson is not draft eligible, is he? I don't know if he is pro style (but no less than Mike Vick was)...but you HAVE to look at him.
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Interestingly enough Walterfootball has Webb listed as the 13th overall QB as well but has the chargers taking him in the 2nd round after Watson,Kaaya,Kizer and Kelly so pretty interesting there lol
I am becoming intrigued with Kelly. While Ole Miss has lost some games, they have been shootouts. They scored like 43 points vs. Alabama, only to lose 48-43. Pretty impressive to put up those kinds of numbers on Bama. Whomped Georgia who I thought had a tough defense. 40 plus points on FSU (but nothing like Louisville)
Plus, he has good genetics, no? Jim Kelly's nephew?
Could he be a guy for the Browns to look at seriously?
Correct me if I am wrong but, also, Lamar Jackson is not draft eligible, is he? I don't know if he is pro style (but no less than Mike Vick was)...but you HAVE to look at him.
I am becoming intrigued with Kelly. While Ole Miss has lost some games, they have been shootouts. They scored like 43 points vs. Alabama, only to lose 48-43. Pretty impressive to put up those kinds of numbers on Bama. Whomped Georgia who I thought had a tough defense. 40 plus points on FSU (but nothing like Louisville)
Plus, he has good genetics, no? Jim Kelly's nephew?
Could he be a guy for the Browns to look at seriously?
Correct me if I am wrong but, also, Lamar Jackson is not draft eligible, is he? I don't know if he is pro style (but no less than Mike Vick was)...but you HAVE to look at him.
Jackson is a bad passer - Kelly isn't that much better. Kelly benefits from having large receivers who go up and high-point the football. He gets away with a lot of errant and straight up well defended throws that way. Not a quality you look for in a prospect whatsoever.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Kelly has some character issues that mostly concern me. he has GREAT arm talent but I'm not so sure on his decision making.
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I am becoming intrigued with Kelly. While Ole Miss has lost some games, they have been shootouts. They scored like 43 points vs. Alabama, only to lose 48-43. Pretty impressive to put up those kinds of numbers on Bama. Whomped Georgia who I thought had a tough defense. 40 plus points on FSU (but nothing like Louisville)
Plus, he has good genetics, no? Jim Kelly's nephew?
Could he be a guy for the Browns to look at seriously?
Correct me if I am wrong but, also, Lamar Jackson is not draft eligible, is he? I don't know if he is pro style (but no less than Mike Vick was)...but you HAVE to look at him.
Jackson is a bad passer - Kelly isn't that much better. Kelly benefits from having large receivers who go up and high-point the football. He gets away with a lot of errant and straight up well defended throws that way. Not a quality you look for in a prospect whatsoever.
.... benefits from having large receivers who go up and high-point the football. He gets away with a lot of errant and straight up well defended throws that way. Not a quality you look for in a prospect whatsoever.
That sounds painfully familiar.
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I am becoming intrigued with Kelly. While Ole Miss has lost some games, they have been shootouts. They scored like 43 points vs. Alabama, only to lose 48-43. Pretty impressive to put up those kinds of numbers on Bama. Whomped Georgia who I thought had a tough defense. 40 plus points on FSU (but nothing like Louisville)
Plus, he has good genetics, no? Jim Kelly's nephew?
Could he be a guy for the Browns to look at seriously?
Correct me if I am wrong but, also, Lamar Jackson is not draft eligible, is he? I don't know if he is pro style (but no less than Mike Vick was)...but you HAVE to look at him.
Jackson is a bad passer - Kelly isn't that much better. Kelly benefits from having large receivers who go up and high-point the football. He gets away with a lot of errant and straight up well defended throws that way. Not a quality you look for in a prospect whatsoever.
Jackson is a bad passer - Kelly isn't that much better. Kelly benefits from having large receivers who go up and high-point the football. He gets away with a lot of errant and straight up well defended throws that way. Not a quality you look for in a prospect whatsoever.
Yeah, Ole Miss has the most badass group of receivers in the country and it's been that way three years running, unfortunately.
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I am becoming intrigued with Kelly. While Ole Miss has lost some games, they have been shootouts. They scored like 43 points vs. Alabama, only to lose 48-43. Pretty impressive to put up those kinds of numbers on Bama. Whomped Georgia who I thought had a tough defense. 40 plus points on FSU (but nothing like Louisville)
Plus, he has good genetics, no? Jim Kelly's nephew?
Could he be a guy for the Browns to look at seriously?
Correct me if I am wrong but, also, Lamar Jackson is not draft eligible, is he? I don't know if he is pro style (but no less than Mike Vick was)...but you HAVE to look at him.
Jackson is a bad passer - Kelly isn't that much better. Kelly benefits from having large receivers who go up and high-point the football. He gets away with a lot of errant and straight up well defended throws that way. Not a quality you look for in a prospect whatsoever.
Jackson is a bad passer - Kelly isn't that much better. Kelly benefits from having large receivers who go up and high-point the football. He gets away with a lot of errant and straight up well defended throws that way. Not a quality you look for in a prospect whatsoever.
Walter Football rates him a 2d-3rd rounder
CBS Sports has him as a 1st-2d
SBNation has him the same
Rivals.com ranks him the #3 QB available behind Watson/Kaaya
NFLdraftscouts has him the best senior available
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Jackson is a bad passer - Kelly isn't that much better. Kelly benefits from having large receivers who go up and high-point the football. He gets away with a lot of errant and straight up well defended throws that way. Not a quality you look for in a prospect whatsoever.
Yeah, Ole Miss has the most badass group of receivers in the country and it's been that way three years running, unfortunately.
Yeah, Ole Miss has the most badass group of receivers in the country and it's been that way three years running, unfortunately.
Yet, even without those guys, Kelly almost pulled it off vs. Alabama and that perennial "great defense" And it wasn't his fault that the team lost.....as noted, he put up 43 points on them.
You can't sneeze at that.
Again, I say, worth a look.
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Jackson is a bad passer - Kelly isn't that much better. Kelly benefits from having large receivers who go up and high-point the football. He gets away with a lot of errant and straight up well defended throws that way. Not a quality you look for in a prospect whatsoever.
Walter Football rates him a 2d-3rd rounder
CBS Sports has him as a 1st-2d
SBNation has him the same
Rivals.com ranks him the #3 QB available behind Watson/Kaaya
NFLdraftscouts has him the best senior available
Walter Football rates him a 2d-3rd rounder
CBS Sports has him as a 1st-2d
SBNation has him the same
Rivals.com ranks him the #3 QB available behind Watson/Kaaya
NFLdraftscouts has him the best senior available
They all also had Jared Goff as the consensus number one and he can't even beat out Case Keenum.
Again, you go blindly by what random internet lists have to say. I watch football and use my own brain to make informed decisions.
Unfortunately, everyone of our FO for the last twenty years seems to have gone your route....which is likely why we're still talking about QB prospects today.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I am sick of hearing about the next draft. we are 3 games in to the season. I am not getting any younger, I want to enjoy some wins now. what happens after we draft all new players? It takes a few seasons to get them to adjust so there is more losing seasons. No other team has ever had rhis many losing seasons and if we keep bringing in a new coach every other fucking year, who will want to draft the guys he wants and get rid of the players that another coach brought in........................WE WILL NEVER WIN SHIT. Every year they get us hyped up to look like the joke of the NFL. Am I the only 1 who is sick of this? With all you guys so exited about the draft (that is like 10 months away) ...........................Oh and while I am on the rant I am just going to throw in a shout of FUCK YOU to all the Pisspuke trolls on here
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Yeah, Ole Miss has the most badass group of receivers in the country and it's been that way three years running, unfortunately.
Yet, even without those guys, Kelly almost pulled it off vs. Alabama and that perennial "great defense" And it wasn't his fault that the team lost.....as noted, he put up 43 points on them.
You can't sneeze at that.
Again, I say, worth a look.
Yet, even without those guys, Kelly almost pulled it off vs. Alabama and that perennial "great defense" And it wasn't his fault that the team lost.....as noted, he put up 43 points on them.
You can't sneeze at that.
Again, I say, worth a look.
Huh? It wasn't "without those guys." He has had them. They're ballers. A&M's receivers are routinely called the best group at the position in the SEC and I have said since 2014 that it was bunk. Ole Miss' are way better.
I think he's worth a look too but TCPO is absolutely right that his receivers make huge plays.
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57% is not impressive to me.
Now these are stats: *2015
SR QB 13games 316com. 477attm. 66.2% 3793yds 29td 5int 151.0 rating
Yep-Dak
57% doesn't have to be impressive to you, nor should it be. It's a statline average from his two worst games, and it's the only one you pulled apart as a detracting point...which means that the rest of the stats he posted in his worst two games were still respectable stats.
You showed me yours, I'll show you mine -
SO 13 games - 210 completions, 334 attempts, 62.9%, 2,880 yards, 21 TD, 10 INT, 150.1 rating......as a sophomore.
I liked Prescott as well, but he's not going to be our QB. It's over.
Kizer is equally talented, plays in a similar spread offensive philosophy and has posted very similar career stats in terms of accuracy, (62.7 vs 62.8), rating (154.6 vs 146), and Y/A (8.0 vs 8.8). Plus he's a larger frame (6'2 vs 6'5), equally as talented athletically, and is a very intelligent and well-spoken man. I really don't see the fuss, other than the patented "take a stand for no reason and blindly stick to it" which is prevalent across this board.
57% doesn't have to be impressive to you, nor should it be. It's a statline average from his two worst games, and it's the only one you pulled apart as a detracting point...which means that the rest of the stats he posted in his worst two games were still respectable stats.
You showed me yours, I'll show you mine -
SO 13 games - 210 completions, 334 attempts, 62.9%, 2,880 yards, 21 TD, 10 INT, 150.1 rating......as a sophomore.
I liked Prescott as well, but he's not going to be our QB. It's over.
Kizer is equally talented, plays in a similar spread offensive philosophy and has posted very similar career stats in terms of accuracy, (62.7 vs 62.8), rating (154.6 vs 146), and Y/A (8.0 vs 8.8). Plus he's a larger frame (6'2 vs 6'5), equally as talented athletically, and is a very intelligent and well-spoken man. I really don't see the fuss, other than the patented "take a stand for no reason and blindly stick to it" which is prevalent across this board.
If he shows all that well the rest of the year I would have no problem changing my mind.
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Walter Football rates him a 2d-3rd rounder
CBS Sports has him as a 1st-2d
SBNation has him the same
Rivals.com ranks him the #3 QB available behind Watson/Kaaya
NFLdraftscouts has him the best senior available
They all also had Jared Goff as the consensus number one and he can't even beat out Case Keenum.
Again, you go blindly by what random internet lists have to say. I watch football and use my own brain to make informed decisions.
Unfortunately, everyone of our FO for the last twenty years seems to have gone your route....which is likely why we're still talking about QB prospects today.
They all also had Jared Goff as the consensus number one and he can't even beat out Case Keenum.
Again, you go blindly by what random internet lists have to say. I watch football and use my own brain to make informed decisions.
How insensate of you. There are 130 FBS college football teams. That makes about 65 games each Saturday that are played. I have neither the time nor inclination to watch them all. As a mere fan, yes, I rely on various services that are paid to do those things to provide information that hopefully I can rely upon to be somewhat accurate, or at least intelligible. You don't?
Unfortunately, everyone of our FO for the last twenty years seems to have gone your route....which is likely why we're still talking about QB prospects today.
But our FO has multiple well paid staff members to do their scouting.
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Yet, even without those guys, Kelly almost pulled it off vs. Alabama and that perennial "great defense" And it wasn't his fault that the team lost.....as noted, he put up 43 points on them.
You can't sneeze at that.
Again, I say, worth a look.
Huh? It wasn't "without those guys." He has had them. They're ballers. A&M's receivers are routinely called the best group at the position in the SEC and I have said since 2014 that it was bunk. Ole Miss' are way better.
I think he's worth a look too but TCPO is absolutely right that his receivers make huge plays.
Huh? It wasn't "without those guys." He has had them.
A little light on reading comprehension? We are talking about Chad Kelly and Ole Miss this year. Ketchup, baby tomato before you get squashed. "Those guys" that I am referring to are all those receivers that were on the Ole Miss team the last few years that are now graduated.
They're ballers. A&M's receivers are routinely called the best group at the position in the SEC and I have said since 2014 that it was bunk. Ole Miss' are way better.
Are? or Were? Again, I am saying that the likes of Laquon Treadwell and others have graduated. Now...does he have a new group of outstanding WRs? Maybe, They have a couple of guys that may be OK...i.e. draftable mid to late rounds. But, for SEC WRs...in checking I see that LSU has a couple of WRs that rate in the top 100 overall prospects.
And yes, I have to look this shit up on the internet That is what smart people do. I do not have a staff of scouts at my beck and call.
I think he's worth a look too but TCPO is absolutely right that his receivers make huge plays.
Name a succesful QB in history, NFL or otherwise that did not have his receivers making huge plays?
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