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  • wargograw W One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    W wargograw wrote on last edited by
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    It's not going to happen so this thread is completely pointless. If it did happen (same as if it didn't happen, which it won't), no one should be fired.

    Talk to me next year.

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      so hypothetically we go 0-20 losing all 4 preseason games and all 16 regular season games? Who stays? Who goes?

      personally i think this is an unlikely but possible scenario. I got us winning 4 down the stretch but that's neither here nor there.

      I can see us letting go some odds and ends on the coaching staff (horton/hamilton/saunders) maybe a front office figure(berry/sashi/kovash).

      I highly doubt jackson will go but it's possible after such an occurance and more importantly if there is another high profile coach available.

      Or hey does no one get fired at all? Maybe we actually hire someone? A true OC prehaps? More Front office personnel?

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      hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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      @cainedesoulis said:

      so hypothetically we go 0-20 losing all 4 preseason games and all 16 regular season games? Who stays? Who goes?

      personally i think this is an unlikely but possible scenario. I got us winning 4 down the stretch but that's neither here nor there.

      I can see us letting go some odds and ends on the coaching staff (horton/hamilton/saunders) maybe a front office figure(berry/sashi/kovash).

      I highly doubt jackson will go but it's possible after such an occurance and more importantly if there is another high profile coach available.

      Or hey does no one get fired at all? Maybe we actually hire someone? A true OC prehaps? More Front office personnel?

      I'm not on the 0-16 train anymore. Had the Dolphins beat. Everyone stays, at least through next year.

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        It's not going to happen so this thread is completely pointless. If it did happen (same as if it didn't happen, which it won't), no one should be fired.

        Talk to me next year.

        flyingfooldoug flyingfooldougF One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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        flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on last edited by
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        @wargograw said:

        It's not going to happen so this thread is completely pointless. If it did happen (same as if it didn't happen, which it won't), no one should be fired.

        Talk to me next year.

        @wargograw said:

        It's not going to happen so this thread is completely pointless. If it did happen (same as

        if it didn't happen, which it won't), no one should be fired.

        Talk to me next year.

        You do know that Horton already gets 2 checks a week from the Browns and he still sucks. Remember a guy name of Parcels? You own your record.. 0-4 in football just sez.... Winner?
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          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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          No no no. Stop firing people after one year. We'll never get better like that.

          Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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            BrownsKiddB BrownsKidd wrote on last edited by
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            Jackson has this team playing the best ball we have seen in years, and with this ragtag roster of players. The team is getting better, week after week. I don't think anyone goes.

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              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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              If ya can't see the improvement in the Browns, huge improvement, ya just don't want to.

              Used to be, they often had no ability to make any big plays, couldn't run the ball.

              Crow just ran over a hundred yards, had Miami beat, and scared the hell out of the Redskins

              the first half.

              READ MORE >

              TEAM LEADERS

              Kessler, a ROOKIE, completed 70% of his passes, and Crow and Duke averaged 7.5 and 5.9 yds per carry.

              This is a worthless whining thread.

              CLEVELAND BROWNS Passing Cmp Att Yds TDs

              C. Kessler 28 40 223 1

              Rushing Car Yds Avg TDs

              I. Crowell 15 112 7.5 1

              D. Johnson 9 53 5.9 0

              Receiving Rec Yds Avg TDs

              G. Barnidge 7 57 8.1 0

              T. Pryor 5 46 9.2 1

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                T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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                Besides the way the Titans are screwing up their running game offense, I think that there just may be a win there in week 6. Talk about a screwed up coaching job, the Titans take the cake. They are tied with the Bears for least points per game.

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                  bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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                  Nobody, we don't have the talent to win many games and that's just how it is.

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                  • T TexasAg1969

                    Besides the way the Titans are screwing up their running game offense, I think that there just may be a win there in week 6. Talk about a screwed up coaching job, the Titans take the cake. They are tied with the Bears for least points per game.

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                    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                    @texasag1969 said:

                    Besides the way the Titans are screwing up their running game offense, I think that there just may be a win there in week 6. Talk about a screwed up coaching job, the Titans take the cake. They are tied with the Bears for least points per game.

                    I believe that Derrick Henry is clearly the problem there and has zero to do with Coach Mularkey's excellent schemes.

                    Haha

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                      @texasag1969 said:

                      Besides the way the Titans are screwing up their running game offense, I think that there just may be a win there in week 6. Talk about a screwed up coaching job, the Titans take the cake. They are tied with the Bears for least points per game.

                      I believe that Derrick Henry is clearly the problem there and has zero to do with Coach Mularkey's excellent schemes.

                      Haha

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                      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                      @logicisforsquares said:

                      I believe that Derrick Henry is clearly the problem there and has zero to do with Coach Mularkey's excellent schemes.

                      Haha

                      I haven't seen their games.....is Henry a TR redux? (after 4 games....too early to tell)

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                        @logicisforsquares said:

                        I believe that Derrick Henry is clearly the problem there and has zero to do with Coach Mularkey's excellent schemes.

                        Haha

                        I haven't seen their games.....is Henry a TR redux? (after 4 games....too early to tell)

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                        T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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                        @the-gipper said:

                        I haven't seen their games.....is Henry a TR redux? (after 4 games....too early to tell)

                        They are not using him much at all. Certainly not nearly as many carries as pre-season.

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                          @the-gipper said:

                          I haven't seen their games.....is Henry a TR redux? (after 4 games....too early to tell)

                          They are not using him much at all. Certainly not nearly as many carries as pre-season.

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                          T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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                          @texasag1969 said:

                          They are not using him much at all. Certainly not nearly as many carries as pre-season.

                          From CBS sports

                          " (10/03) Henry rushed three times for nine yards Sunday in Houston.

                          Henry got a season-low number of carries while DeMarco Murray scored two touchdowns on a season-high 25. The rookie out of Alabama had been spelling Murray for 8-to-10 carries per game prior to this, but the veteran's strong play has made it difficult to justify taking him off the field. Henry's problem is a lack of opportunities more so than a lack of skill."

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                            Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                            Yup... Murray's been getting me projected points plus in Fantasy. Henry just isn't seeing 2nd and 3rd string Defenses like he did in preseason. Not sure how the TN staff is supposed to "manage" to arrange that.

                            And there is no "fall" in 2017... not the same as saying there will not be changes... especially among assistant coaches.

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                              @cainedesoulis said:

                              so hypothetically we go 0-20 losing all 4 preseason games and all 16 regular season games? Who stays? Who goes?

                              personally i think this is an unlikely but possible scenario. I got us winning 4 down the stretch but that's neither here nor there.

                              I can see us letting go some odds and ends on the coaching staff (horton/hamilton/saunders) maybe a front office figure(berry/sashi/kovash).

                              I highly doubt jackson will go but it's possible after such an occurance and more importantly if there is another high profile coach available.

                              Or hey does no one get fired at all? Maybe we actually hire someone? A true OC prehaps? More Front office personnel?

                              I'm not on the 0-16 train anymore. Had the Dolphins beat. Everyone stays, at least through next year.

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                              MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                              @hoorta said:

                              I'm not on the 0-16 train anymore. Everyone stays, at least through next year.

                              Yeah...we gotta win one or 2 at least.....maybe more......including preseason, Hue has lost his first 8 games played, which has never happened in Browns history.....and, while I thought this could end up being the worst team we've ever fielded, Im thinking not.....they're due and Hue just has to get that first win in the tank.....SOON!.........Patriots anyone?

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                                Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
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                                The only way anybody gets fired is if Jimmy goes on a bender. He knows he must stay patient, despite the record.

                                It sucks to be 0-4, but outside of the Philly game, they've had the lead in the 2nd half in every game, they just can't close the deal.

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                                  C CaineDeSoulis wrote on last edited by
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                                  continuity for the sake of continuity is as bad or worse than lacking patience.

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                                    @hoorta said:

                                    I'm not on the 0-16 train anymore. Everyone stays, at least through next year.

                                    Yeah...we gotta win one or 2 at least.....maybe more......including preseason, Hue has lost his first 8 games played, which has never happened in Browns history.....and, while I thought this could end up being the worst team we've ever fielded, Im thinking not.....they're due and Hue just has to get that first win in the tank.....SOON!.........Patriots anyone?

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                                    W wargograw wrote on last edited by
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                                    @mudfly said:

                                    Yeah...we gotta win one or 2 at least.....maybe more......including preseason, Hue has lost his first 8 games played, which has never happened in Browns history.....and, while I thought this could end up being the worst team we've ever fielded, Im thinking not.....they're due and Hue just has to get that first win in the tank.....SOON!.........Patriots anyone?

                                    Now that's the Mud I know and love!

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                                      L LondonBrown wrote on last edited by
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                                      Nobody on the coaching staff is getting sacked until the FO are entirely happy with the roster (this FO is going nowhere) as only then will they judge the coaches use of the talent they've brought in.

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                                      • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                                        No no no. Stop firing people after one year. We'll never get better like that.

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                                        dawg2fanD dawg2fan wrote on last edited by
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                                        @mld-woody said:

                                        No no no. Stop firing people after one year. We'll never get better like that.

                                        I couldn't agree more. We need to quit firing our coaches and give them time. We are the only team that had more coaching turnovers and losing records. Let's keep this entire staff for at least 3 years (5 max) and see what happens. I personally believe in a few years, we could be there.

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                                          C CaineDeSoulis wrote on last edited by CaineDeSoulis
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                                          We now have tied the worst start for the browns since 1999. Coaching needs to be held as accountable as our players should be. if we go ONE more loss it will be the worst in franchise history. Firing a HC is generally a bad idea but if the shoe fits for WORST OF ALL TIME then its tough luck next man up.

                                          the ravens just fired their OC for the second time in 4 years mid season. You guys act like firing a coach is automatic 2-3 years rebuilding and sucking and thats not always the case. I argue that keeping the WRONG coach is as detrimental or MORE SO than firing to often

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