So is this a "thing" with the Browns now? Giving up 30 points a game?
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they all have won games...we are the only fucking team that is winless...fuck the stats...its the wins that count not the stats....
Sure....but it was also predicted that the Browns were the shit of all shit of all time.....but that is not the case.
In 3 of their 4 games they have had leads in the 4th quarter....and it is just fucked up shit that kept them from winning.
Bullshit referee calls, missed kicks, and fumbles.
Not endemic destructiveness as predicted......correctable matters.
Sorry....but now Goodell and the league should be getting cauliflower ear from Jimmy chewing on them. Goodell aught to be calling Evander Holyfield on how to deal with a good ear chewing.
Sure....but it was also predicted that the Browns were the shit of all shit of all time.....but that is not the case.
In 3 of their 4 games they have had leads in the 4th quarter....and it is just fucked up shit that kept them from winning.
Bullshit referee calls, missed kicks, and fumbles.
Not endemic destructiveness as predicted......correctable matters.
Sorry....but now Goodell and the league should be getting cauliflower ear from Jimmy chewing on them. Goodell aught to be calling Evander Holyfield on how to deal with a good ear chewing.
good teams find ways to win regardless of the refs...that is the poorest excuse of what you said...the missed kicks, at first i blamed the kicker but after hearing he hardly had no practice at all, i can't blame him...just bad luck the starting kicker got hurt...but it looks like parkey got it right now...his kicks against the skins were right down the middle instead of wide left..can't blame him....i do blame the coach on the fb fumble yesterday, he should not have been allowed to even touch the ball, just block for crow or duke. they probably punch it in. our fb is not moose johnston by any means...bad bad play call their...
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29 pts a game....says it all////
and, at this point last year, we were scoring 24 pts a game....compared to 18 right now....
so. not sure where all this major improvement is that everyone is claiming to see....cause it aint in the score, win column or stats.....
there is no improvement...this coach and oc are making the same stupid playcalling mistakes that we have seen from all the previous coaches..giving the ball in the red zone to a fullback who never carried the ball at all this yr was one of the most dumb decisions i have seen...turned the whole game around..you can have all the talent in the world but if you make stupid dumb coaching decisions, it does not matter...fucking fake punt with no punter in the game vs the eagles...christ almighty..same shit...we suck, we are the only team with no wins...where the fuck is the improvement...
there is no improvement...this coach and oc are making the same stupid playcalling mistakes that we have seen from all the previous coaches..giving the ball in the red zone to a fullback who never carried the ball at all this yr was one of the most dumb decisions i have seen...turned the whole game around..you can have all the talent in the world but if you make stupid dumb coaching decisions, it does not matter...fucking fake punt with no punter in the game vs the eagles...christ almighty..same shit...we suck, we are the only team with no wins...where the fuck is the improvement...
they all have won games...we are the only fucking team that is winless...fuck the stats...its the wins that count not the stats....
All I do is Bitch/Bitch/Bitch no matter what? Bitchin'52-their is offensive improvement all over the field. Hue does not fumble, M.Johnson did. Just like Duke did. Put it on the player not coach's play calling, calling your number. Do your Job..we will pay you pretty well..If your counting only wins right now, your not being a sensible browns fan. Your just finding something to bitch about..Just like week 1 till now, STFU Bitchin'52..13 more weeks to go. Get Off our Lawn!!
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Sure....but it was also predicted that the Browns were the shit of all shit of all time.....but that is not the case.
In 3 of their 4 games they have had leads in the 4th quarter....and it is just fucked up shit that kept them from winning.
Bullshit referee calls, missed kicks, and fumbles.
Not endemic destructiveness as predicted......correctable matters.
Sorry....but now Goodell and the league should be getting cauliflower ear from Jimmy chewing on them. Goodell aught to be calling Evander Holyfield on how to deal with a good ear chewing.
good teams find ways to win regardless of the refs...that is the poorest excuse of what you said...the missed kicks, at first i blamed the kicker but after hearing he hardly had no practice at all, i can't blame him...just bad luck the starting kicker got hurt...but it looks like parkey got it right now...his kicks against the skins were right down the middle instead of wide left..can't blame him....i do blame the coach on the fb fumble yesterday, he should not have been allowed to even touch the ball, just block for crow or duke. they probably punch it in. our fb is not moose johnston by any means...bad bad play call their...
good teams find ways to win regardless of the refs...that is the poorest excuse of what you said...the missed kicks, at first i blamed the kicker but after hearing he hardly had no practice at all, i can't blame him...just bad luck the starting kicker got hurt...but it looks like parkey got it right now...his kicks against the skins were right down the middle instead of wide left..can't blame him....i do blame the coach on the fb fumble yesterday, he should not have been allowed to even touch the ball, just block for crow or duke. they probably punch it in. our fb is not moose johnston by any means...bad bad play call their...
Who told you we're a good team? Why are you so delusional? Give it a year.
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Thank goodness we let TJ Ward go for Tramon Williams. Jabaal Sheard isn't talented enough to be on this roster.
Both of them were free agents with the option to leave...and that is what they did. Its not like they were cut, they just got much huger financial offers that the Browns would not/could not match.....(or even if they did, these guys chose to go elsewhere).
Both of them were free agents with the option to leave...and that is what they did. Its not like they were cut, they just got much huger financial offers that the Browns would not/could not match.....(or even if they did, these guys chose to go elsewhere).
Would not pay them, have cap space every year
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We knew that the D was going to take a step backwards initially. We have to let the season play out and see if the players grow into their shoes. It's a new defense...and it can't be any worse than Pettine's in the long run.
A step backward, from worst in the league, is hard to imagine.....yet, somehow, we've managed to do it.....yay!...success
A step backward, from worst in the league, is hard to imagine.....yet, somehow, we've managed to do it.....yay!...success
Yup, we were going to take a step backwards (at least for a while) this year compared to last...but it shouldn't be hard to imagine. We lost both safties. We lost Desmond Bryant, our best DLineman, We have a new system and a lot of young players that have to play. It would've been HIGHLY surprising if this year's D was better than last year's right out of the box.
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Sure....but it was also predicted that the Browns were the shit of all shit of all time.....but that is not the case.
In 3 of their 4 games they have had leads in the 4th quarter....and it is just fucked up shit that kept them from winning.
Bullshit referee calls, missed kicks, and fumbles.
Not endemic destructiveness as predicted......correctable matters.
Sorry....but now Goodell and the league should be getting cauliflower ear from Jimmy chewing on them. Goodell aught to be calling Evander Holyfield on how to deal with a good ear chewing.
good teams find ways to win regardless of the refs...that is the poorest excuse of what you said...the missed kicks, at first i blamed the kicker but after hearing he hardly had no practice at all, i can't blame him...just bad luck the starting kicker got hurt...but it looks like parkey got it right now...his kicks against the skins were right down the middle instead of wide left..can't blame him....i do blame the coach on the fb fumble yesterday, he should not have been allowed to even touch the ball, just block for crow or duke. they probably punch it in. our fb is not moose johnston by any means...bad bad play call their...
good teams find ways to win regardless of the refs...that is the poorest excuse of what you said...the missed kicks, at first i blamed the kicker but after hearing he hardly had no practice at all, i can't blame him...just bad luck the starting kicker got hurt...but it looks like parkey got it right now...his kicks against the skins were right down the middle instead of wide left..can't blame him....i do blame the coach on the fb fumble yesterday, he should not have been allowed to even touch the ball, just block for crow or duke. they probably punch it in. our fb is not moose johnston by any means...bad bad play call their...
I don't give a shit what you say.....sometimes a bad call can win or lose a game.
Sure.....it would be nice if the Browns could pound teams 30-0 and not have a bad ref's call make a difference.....but here is a clue: 75% of NFL games are very close affairs....and a bad call CAN AND DOES often make a difference in these games. Teams are fairly evenly matched often.....so little things DO count: Turnovers, obviously (not really a "little" thing), missed kicks (see Scott Norwood), bad calls (see the Houston Oiler/Steelers playoff game that caused the institution of instant replay), dropped passes (the Browns win a playoff game vs. Shitsburgh if Dennis Northcutt holds on to a catch).
So, yea, little things make a big difference.
http://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/index.ssf/2015/01/top-10_worst_referee_calls_in.html
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I've already made it clear I'm aware of what the stats say.
So we boot Karlos Dansby (legitimately one of the greatest linebackers of all time), Donte Whitner (Pro Bowler), Tashaun Gipson (Pro Bowler), Paul Kruger, Craig Robertson, K'Waun Williams (Pro Bowl caliber guy), and our two starting CBs have missed a couple games each (oh and our new stud starting DE is gone from the second game on), and you guys are wondering why our stats aren't as good as last year. Really?
Expectations on new regimes in Cleveland are so utterly insane.
Expectations on new regimes in Cleveland are so utterly insane.
No they're not. After going through more than a decade and a half of losing, you deserve a winner, and you deserve one now.
You've heard the old adage before...insanity is when each new regime does the same as the previous one and expects different results.
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After our turnovers, our defense looked atrocious. They just ran the ball at will, for big chunks of yards.
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Weeks 9-16. Give it time. They will turn this around.
Weeks 9-16. Give it time. They will turn this around.
I hope to see progress as opposed to some here who think it is cute to shit on a team they supposedly like, Johnny Refugee.
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Expectations on new regimes in Cleveland are so utterly insane.
No they're not. After going through more than a decade and a half of losing, you deserve a winner, and you deserve one now.
You've heard the old adage before...insanity is when each new regime does the same as the previous one and expects different results.
No they're not. After going through more than a decade and a half of losing, you deserve a winner, and you deserve one now.
You've heard the old adage before...insanity is when each new regime does the same as the previous one and expects different results.
Actually the Einstein adage is that insanity is where YOU do the same thing over and over yet expect different results.
The problem is the "You". This team has had so many different "Yous"....and honestly, they have not done things the same way over and over. Every group does things a different way. Yet every one of those different ways still leads to losing.
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They genuinely look a million times better than last year, while lowering the average age by probably three years. They will be dominant in a couple seasons.
They genuinely look a million times better than last year, while lowering the average age by probably three years. They will be dominant in a couple seasons.
Your exaggeration and extrapolation aside... I agree. We look faster and more aggressive on D to my eye. And the potential for growth is there.
And I have to applaud Horton adapting to the talent on hand. The 4-3 looks "right".
Statistically we are a worse defense this year but you know my eyes are broken so here the stats <--- original argument
2015 Y/pg:379.2 Rushing Y/pg:128.4 Passing Y/pg:250.8 Points/pg:27.0
2016 Y/pg:378 Rushing Y/pg:118.25 Passing Y/pg:259.75 Points/pg:28.8
we give up 1.2 less yards and 1.8 more points
we have gained 1485 yards and our opponents have gained 1512 meaning we are playing right there with them Defense is our biggest problem. <--- new argument
So when the stats don't support your original argument, just pretend they do and then change your argument?
I suppose complaining won't change the fact that we're still not very good. Young sure. D couldn't stop em after those turnovers.
But the D has set up the Offense by producing turnovers
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good teams find ways to win regardless of the refs...that is the poorest excuse of what you said...the missed kicks, at first i blamed the kicker but after hearing he hardly had no practice at all, i can't blame him...just bad luck the starting kicker got hurt...but it looks like parkey got it right now...his kicks against the skins were right down the middle instead of wide left..can't blame him....i do blame the coach on the fb fumble yesterday, he should not have been allowed to even touch the ball, just block for crow or duke. they probably punch it in. our fb is not moose johnston by any means...bad bad play call their...
Who told you we're a good team? Why are you so delusional? Give it a year.
Who told you we're a good team? Why are you so delusional? Give it a year.
Or five.
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good teams find ways to win regardless of the refs...that is the poorest excuse of what you said...the missed kicks, at first i blamed the kicker but after hearing he hardly had no practice at all, i can't blame him...just bad luck the starting kicker got hurt...but it looks like parkey got it right now...his kicks against the skins were right down the middle instead of wide left..can't blame him....i do blame the coach on the fb fumble yesterday, he should not have been allowed to even touch the ball, just block for crow or duke. they probably punch it in. our fb is not moose johnston by any means...bad bad play call their...
I don't give a shit what you say.....sometimes a bad call can win or lose a game.
Sure.....it would be nice if the Browns could pound teams 30-0 and not have a bad ref's call make a difference.....but here is a clue: 75% of NFL games are very close affairs....and a bad call CAN AND DOES often make a difference in these games. Teams are fairly evenly matched often.....so little things DO count: Turnovers, obviously (not really a "little" thing), missed kicks (see Scott Norwood), bad calls (see the Houston Oiler/Steelers playoff game that caused the institution of instant replay), dropped passes (the Browns win a playoff game vs. Shitsburgh if Dennis Northcutt holds on to a catch).
So, yea, little things make a big difference.
http://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/index.ssf/2015/01/top-10_worst_referee_calls_in.html
I don't give a shit what you say.....sometimes a bad call can win or lose a game.
Sure.....it would be nice if the Browns could pound teams 30-0 and not have a bad ref's call make a difference.....but here is a clue: 75% of NFL games are very close affairs....and a bad call CAN AND DOES often make a difference in these games. Teams are fairly evenly matched often.....so little things DO count: Turnovers, obviously (not really a "little" thing), missed kicks (see Scott Norwood), bad calls (see the Houston Oiler/Steelers playoff game that caused the institution of instant replay), dropped passes (the Browns win a playoff game vs. Shitsburgh if Dennis Northcutt holds on to a catch).
So, yea, little things make a big difference.
http://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/index.ssf/2015/01/top-10_worst_referee_calls_in.html
Yes, and there were around three bad calls in the Redskins games. MHO is the PIs were bogus- one was an uncatchable ball out of bounds. Hue didn't like the fumble call on Duke either. The ref is still looking at the pile, with Johnson holding up the ball behind her.
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They genuinely look a million times better than last year, while lowering the average age by probably three years. They will be dominant in a couple seasons.
Your exaggeration and extrapolation aside... I agree. We look faster and more aggressive on D to my eye. And the potential for growth is there.
And I have to applaud Horton adapting to the talent on hand. The 4-3 looks "right".
Statistically we are a worse defense this year but you know my eyes are broken so here the stats <--- original argument
2015 Y/pg:379.2 Rushing Y/pg:128.4 Passing Y/pg:250.8 Points/pg:27.0
2016 Y/pg:378 Rushing Y/pg:118.25 Passing Y/pg:259.75 Points/pg:28.8
we give up 1.2 less yards and 1.8 more points
we have gained 1485 yards and our opponents have gained 1512 meaning we are playing right there with them Defense is our biggest problem. <--- new argument
So when the stats don't support your original argument, just pretend they do and then change your argument?
I suppose complaining won't change the fact that we're still not very good. Young sure. D couldn't stop em after those turnovers.
But the D has set up the Offense by producing turnovers
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Expectations on new regimes in Cleveland are so utterly insane.
No they're not. After going through more than a decade and a half of losing, you deserve a winner, and you deserve one now.
You've heard the old adage before...insanity is when each new regime does the same as the previous one and expects different results.
No they're not. After going through more than a decade and a half of losing, you deserve a winner, and you deserve one now.
You've heard the old adage before...insanity is when each new regime does the same as the previous one and expects different results.
No one deserves s***.
And cool. We're in fact not doing the same soooo you're wasting your time. Take a lap. Then a seat.
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You used to actually do in depth evaluation. Now you just keep it simple knowing that's the easiest way to dump on Hue and co. Nice.
Watch a damn game. Do the eye test. They look much better. Or just complain.
I suppose complaining won't change the fact that we're still not very good. Young sure. D couldn't stop em after those turnovers.
I suppose complaining won't change the fact that we're still not very good.
Nope...it wont....but being open and honest about your feelings is healthy.....let it out!.....
Well in the category of "Believe It Or Not", after 4 weeks there are 5 teams who have given up more than the Browns @ 28.8/game. New Orleans (32.5), Tampon Bay (32), Colts (31.2), Atlanta (31) and Ta da! Caroline's Panthers (29.5)
If I were a Caroline fan I'd be wondering if the Broncos just broke my team for good.
Great!....so we arent last..YAY!
...of course, what another team does doesnt really make our team better.....28.8 is 28.8 and when you're only scoring 18.....thats a big difference...none the less, I think the O will score a bit more as we go....esp if Hue gets Crow more touches......#1 back(hottest) in the league should be getting more than 15 carries....just sayingYup, we were going to take a step backwards (at least for a while) this year compared to last...but it shouldn't be hard to imagine. It would've been HIGHLY surprising if this year's D was better than last year's right out of the box.
Yeah...I was just blabbering
.....after the off season, I was 100% certain we stepped back and the D would be awful....no surprise to me actually....We were terrible and we set the course to "step back" and grow from there. Got it and get it.
BUT...of course...... If you "actually" say we're terrible, then you are a dick........
We look faster and more aggressive on D to my eye. And the potential for growth is there.
And I have to applaud Horton adapting to the talent on hand. The 4-3 looks "right".
But the D has set up the Offense by producing turnovers
Id agree with this....the D does "look" better in a few aspects.....still some horrendous tackling and ugliness(for sure), but they look better, while still being terrible....
And I too applaud the 4-3 sets...probably the reason for much of the improvement and the best way to utilize our talent pool.....it's about time too.....how long have we screamed for that?.....
AND the D provided a score!....Cahoun Booty(sic) got 6.....which replaces one of Dansbys.....so thats a positive too....
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I suppose complaining won't change the fact that we're still not very good.
Nope...it wont....but being open and honest about your feelings is healthy.....let it out!.....
Well in the category of "Believe It Or Not", after 4 weeks there are 5 teams who have given up more than the Browns @ 28.8/game. New Orleans (32.5), Tampon Bay (32), Colts (31.2), Atlanta (31) and Ta da! Caroline's Panthers (29.5)
If I were a Caroline fan I'd be wondering if the Broncos just broke my team for good.
Great!....so we arent last..YAY!
...of course, what another team does doesnt really make our team better.....28.8 is 28.8 and when you're only scoring 18.....thats a big difference...none the less, I think the O will score a bit more as we go....esp if Hue gets Crow more touches......#1 back(hottest) in the league should be getting more than 15 carries....just sayingYup, we were going to take a step backwards (at least for a while) this year compared to last...but it shouldn't be hard to imagine. It would've been HIGHLY surprising if this year's D was better than last year's right out of the box.
Yeah...I was just blabbering
.....after the off season, I was 100% certain we stepped back and the D would be awful....no surprise to me actually....We were terrible and we set the course to "step back" and grow from there. Got it and get it.
BUT...of course...... If you "actually" say we're terrible, then you are a dick........
We look faster and more aggressive on D to my eye. And the potential for growth is there.
And I have to applaud Horton adapting to the talent on hand. The 4-3 looks "right".
But the D has set up the Offense by producing turnovers
Id agree with this....the D does "look" better in a few aspects.....still some horrendous tackling and ugliness(for sure), but they look better, while still being terrible....
And I too applaud the 4-3 sets...probably the reason for much of the improvement and the best way to utilize our talent pool.....it's about time too.....how long have we screamed for that?.....
AND the D provided a score!....Cahoun Booty(sic) got 6.....which replaces one of Dansbys.....so thats a positive too....
Id agree with this....the D does "look" better in a few aspects.....still some horrendous tackling and ugliness(for sure), but they look better, while still being terrible....And I too applaud the 4-3 sets...probably the reason for much of the improvement and the best way to utilize our talent pool.....it's about time too.....how long have we screamed for that?.....
AND the D provided a score!....Cahoun Booty(sic) got 6.....which replaces one of Dansbys.....so thats a positive too....
lol... well... everything is relative....
Not sure I have watched a game this year where teams have not exhibited "bad tackling" at some point. Closest to perfection may have been the Vikes. But the root cause of the bad always seems to be the same... getting in position to make the tackle... and that is something we seem to be doing with greater frequency in this fledgling season. I think this is due to the speed factor. Add in the aggression and seeing more gang tackling as a result.
Where we still seem to be delinquent is big hits or "decleaters" to borrow an old Madden-ism. For the first time I was watching the Fins' game broadcast this AM and off the bat Kirksey shot a gap on a sweep left and laid one on their RB.
Seeing a few things differently in the above game than I saw live. More thoughts on this later...
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Time for your quarter pole thoughts, Tour. Stop teasing.
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